DSMatticus wrote:Because right now you just keep fucking retreat from any facet of the conversation that isn't in your favor, and that's incredibly dishonest.
It's what he has always done. Justin Bieber shifts goal posts and discards (and whines about never having said) his prior points in pretty much EVERY post.
Perhaps you should just list the various claims/points/goal posts he has rapidly discarded or ignored just on this topic.
Off the top of my head...
1)"Peace Out" - He was done man, peace out. It was all over, second Justin Bieber post in.
2) "Fight me and my friends at my moms place" - He also felt the only valid place to have this argument was back at his place. Because reasons, back when it was all over, second Justin Bieber post in.
3) "This is only for me, no one can judge another's game" Justin Bieber firmly believes no rule or game can be judged bad. Unless he does it. Like with this rule and the material surrounding it. No explanation, no defense, just bullshit and obfuscation.
4) "People Who Use This Rule Are Bad People" He has come back to it several times, but whenever pressed to defend it, he rapidly wanders off and shifts to new goal posts.
5) "People Who Use This Rule Are Good Role Players" He has at various times taken the opposite stance to 4. But when pressed has never managed to in any way differentiate 4 and 5.
6) "I shall write rules for things I don't want people doing" He doesn't want people having social encounters and spending table time getting a music bonus in them. Except he wrote a rule for it. And then sometimes he says it's good role playing and then other times it's the ultimate evil...
7) "I shall deliberately bog down the game with extra time costs in encounters of types I don't want to spend time playing to punish players for playing in those types of encounters and using abilities I gave them to use in those types of encounters when I offer those types of encounters to them", He has never explained how spending extra time doing what he says he doesn't want to spend time doing could possibly be a good idea.
8) "I shall create bogging down costs and humiliating jokes about PCs to punish people for using this rule until no one wants to use it (and thats a good thing!)" Sounds indefensible? Well it's a big part of his basic original claim and yet he has yet to even try and defend it.
9) "Despite bogging down and taunting stopping everyone from use it the GOOD role players will!" For no fucking reason given.
10) "The bogging down costs, and humiliating jokes are SECRET RULES, but good role players will READ MY MIND and never risk MAKING ME HURT THE GAME like a BAD ROLE PLAYER WOULD MAKE ME DO!" - Because if this wasn't crazy enough already it needed to be a DOUBLE SECRET rule. At NO point has this been explained.
11) "Actually I won't be doing the bogging down and taunting thing I said, not because that would be wrong and only a crazy shitty GM would do it, no because actually this was ALL ALONG a SECRET TEST and I KICK OUT PLAYERS WHO USE THIS RULE because they are horrible people I don't want to game with!" One of his MANY goal posts he shifts to. But then...
12) "Actually it ISN'T a trap for kicking people out YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MY GAME! Because I NEVER THROW PEOPLE OUT!!!!!" Which is... interesting considering he makes rules to trap people he wants to throw out, obsesses over throwing out "terrible people" and "bad gamers" and what with it being his actual position
five seconds ago.
13) "Obtaining a cheap bonus in a role playing game is totally the same as taunting real people about the real deaths of there real recently deceased children!" He can't defend this, and when pressed does not, but it certainly keeps trending back into his bullshit over time.
14) "The Dead Child Taunting In Baseball is bad, people who agree with that bad rule are the bad players my different rule works fine without!" - Somehow... yet...
15) "The Dead Child Taunting in Baseball is good because it is a rule in Baseball and how dare you want to change the rules of Baseball you idiots! And my kazoo rule is basically the same so you can't change or criticise it because it is just as good as BASEBALL IS!" - Yeah... well... look it was getting pretty bad by that point.
15) "Prior Restraint!" Was basically equivalent to him writing gurgly noises for about four pages.
16) "Fuck you I don't Play 3E, how dare you assume I play mere D&D as known to foolish humans such as yourselves!" - Because hey ignore the point someone couched something in 3E styled terms because thats what people do and thats the closest thing someone like Justin Bieber might even understand anyway...
17) "Fuck you I DO Play D&D as all true humans are totally familiar with in detail you IDIOTS!" - Because actually wait a second he really DOES play D&D! Recognisable familiar D&D you would have to be a fool not to know the mechanics of in detail!
18) "I will not admit I play an nearly unrecognizable hodge podge of bullshit I inexplicably call D&D!" - And resounding silence once it is pointed out
what he actually plays. But he has admitted to it before, but hey the whole "I DO play D&D but I DON'T play D&D!" defense wasn't going well so he walked away from it.
19) "Actually the only recognizable junk in the mess I apparently administer IS 3E rules after all." - Also no admission there, just walked away too.
20) "But whatever the fuck I DO Play it is CLEARLY successful and 100s if not 1000s of people totally fucking play exactly that game! They don't need the game written fucking down THEY READ MY FUCKING MIND MAN!" - But once called on it absolute silence on say, providing the game that 100s if not 1000s of people are playing and have been playing already. Because apparently 100s if not 1000s of people can play a game that exists exclusively inside Justin Bieber's fevered imagination.
And hell I KNOW I have missed ignored points, forgotten and contradicted claims and countless shifted goal posts.
