Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Didn't ceilingcat flip shit over something trivial? I didn't know what happened to Crissa other than one day I noticed she hadn't posted for a long time. I honestly don't remember.
I wasn't there, but a lot of those old threads have been referenced before and I've binged them to see what the big deal was.
Cielingcat had the whole "I'm the one wearing the label so I'm the one whose opinions matter" thing going on. That's a pretty serious stick to have up your ass - likely placed there by life's cruelty and the pervasive insensitivity of the internet, but nonetheless it's the sort of stick that makes you self-centeredly inflexible even among people who share your cause. People without the label
are going to sometimes be right about trans issues and people with the label
are going to sometimes be wrong about trans issues. Experience isn't actually some magical elixir that imparts wisdom; that's why we have therapists and doctors and medical research and patient studies.
Crissa declared herself the arbiter of what was and was not derogatory. That got her into an argument with Frank about the mutable connotations of labels generally and the word "trap" specifically. And he was right, both generally and specifically. 99% of the time the word trap is used it is used positively to title 4chan threads full of men posting pictures of other men that they find bangably feminine (or pictures of themselves attempting to be bangably feminine). When people want to shitpost in those threads, they don't shitpost "you're all a bunch of fucking traps," they shitpost "you're all a bunch of fucking [that word that also means cigarette]."
Prak wrote:But given that it's actually a quality of life improvement
I wouldn't call that a given. Studies on SRS are sparse and unreliable, but for the most part people continue to report the same problems post-SRS as they do pre-SRS - they have trouble finding relationships, their friends and family still don't respect their choices or have entirely abandoned them, and they still aren't totally satisfied that their physical body matches their desired gender. Most trans people have their daily dose of indignities inflicted on them while they're wearing pants, so it's not clear how changing what's in those pants will make those indignities go away.
Honestly, how many trans people are so amazingly, incredibly lucky that their
biggest problem is that when they take their pants off in front of potential lovers they have the "wrong" genitals? Because that's about all SRS fixes - and even then it's something of a coinflip.
