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A lot of that is just human nature. I just heard a guy lamenting the fact that he's cursed to be a Buffalo Bills fan because he grew up in Rochester. To me it's beyond bizarre that he'd remain a fan of a football team that has actively disappointed him for his entire life.

But that's just the way a lot of human social interaction works. We carve society into little arbitrary tribes, and then let those tribes define our relationships with each other. It's arbitrary and stupid, and sometimes results in riots when your favorite football team wins/loses, or 14-year-old kids sending death threats to the guy who didn't give the latest GTA a perfect score. But it's mostly harmless, helps smooth out social interactions, and is so prevalent I don't know if it's possible to remove from the human psyche. There is appears to be no limit to the number of arbitrary lines people can draw.
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The issue is that while people get too worked up about their Sports Team/Car/OS, the Evangelical religions have a potent memetic cocktail specifically designed to dominate people's lives, make them constantly anxious about deviating from the faith, and ostracising/excommunicating those dissidents. My friend from Ohio goes to the local "Browns Bar" every Sunday, to watch the Browns in company of other Browns fans, but he doesn't consult the Browns for their opinion on gay marriage, because the Browns just don't have anything to do with that.

But people actually debate the religious implications of global warming. Some people say we can do whatever we want to the planet and it will be OK, because God gave the Earth to Man, so whatever we do is part of God's plan. And others think we have a Divine directive to preserve the Earth because after the Earth was given to Man, God declared Man to be Stewards of the Earth, which means we're responsible for protecting it.

I think this is why there's crap like "hate the sin, not the sinner" and other weasel word justifications. It's kind of an unconscious plea of "I don't want to hate you, but it's possible I'll get ejected from the defining organization of my life if I don't".
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i just got sent this link:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/15/justice/s ... ?hpt=hp_t2
basically, texas can't kill people using poison for the lethal injection execution method because they can't actually aquire the ammount needed(WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?) to do so and have resorted to more shady ways of aquiring the drugs . .
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Chemicals used to murder people judicially are of course set by law, so you don't have wardens torturing people to death with acid or something. There is essentially no legitimate purpose to a chemical cocktail that is lethal yet relatively painless, so people don't really manufacture it. So Texas has run out.

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All the better for people sceduled to die like that then right?
All the worse if they decide to sit them on the chair instead.

And worst of all is their going by not entirely legal channels to procure these chemicals . . they are basically commiting a crime to commit murder right?
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With the amounts of coke and heroin the police are always confiscating and then needing to destroy, you'd think they'd solve two "problems" at once there. I'm not in favour of the state deciding to kill someone who is already incarcerated and no longer a threat to society, but if they're going to do that, a speedball is probably one of the least bad ways to do it. If it's good enough for King George V and any number of rock stars...

(And yes, when "get all these illegal drugs we confiscated from other people because of the harm they cause, then inject that into him!" is the best method, it's a good sign that something is wrong from the start.)
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Koumei wrote:With the amounts of coke and heroin the police are always confiscating and then needing to destroy, you'd think they'd solve two "problems" at once there. I'm not in favour of the state deciding to kill someone who is already incarcerated and no longer a threat to society, but if they're going to do that, a speedball is probably one of the least bad ways to do it. If it's good enough for King George V and any number of rock stars...

(And yes, when "get all these illegal drugs we confiscated from other people because of the harm they cause, then inject that into him!" is the best method, it's a good sign that something is wrong from the start.)
I think a speedball would be a pretty terrible way to die. Potassium Chloride causes a heart attack, but at least it stops the heart, instead of causing it to beat so fast it explodes. A fatal opiate dose, though, I can get behind. Since they'll just float off, fall unconscious, and stop breathing.

But the current lethal injection process only makes sense if you understand the answer to Steven Wright's question "Why do they sterilize the needle for a lethal injection?"

There's this kind of mindset to the lethal injection process that must be treated as a medical procedure exactly like any other except for the expected outcome. So they administer enough anasthetic and paralytic that the subject won't feel the heart attack or thrash about, but not enough that it will stop their breathing and kill them. Despite the fact that a number of executions have taken far longer than necessary because the heart attack wasn't fatal enough, and mounting evidence that the sodium thiopental isn't administered in high enough doses to cause unconsciousness, resulting in death while awake but paralyzed.

There have even been cases where a death row inmate has attempted suicide, at which point the prison medical team actually had to save his life and hospitalize him until he was stable enough to be executed.
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Jesus christ. Any time literally letting the warden go to a cell and put a bullet in the guy's head is a better plan than what you've got--something is seriously fucking wrong.
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Is there some particularly sensible reason why they don't just use lethal overdoses of painkillers?
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name_here wrote:Is there some particularly sensible reason why they don't just use lethal overdoses of painkillers?
Because some countries that produce painkillers have anti-capital punishment sentiments where they will not sell a painkiller to a country if it is going to be used to kill.

Apparently according to some surgeons I know, there is a shortage of available surgical pain-killers in the U.S. due to this which is rather fucked up.
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Technically speaking, it's not an execution until the time for pushing the needle passes. If you'd killed them through sloppy medical practices and then the governor called to pardon the guy, well, someone's in quite a lot of trouble. They're a person right up until they're not.

But once the time does pass, executions are pretty much the most comically horrific way anyone can imagine to die, given that they've tried to sanitise the whole show for the audience.


Morphine would be sensible. Kind, almost, which is why they don't use it. That's saved for end-of-life hospice patients, giving drugs that sensitise you to the morphine you're already on to hide the overdose. Unless that's not happening locally, in which case dying is pretty gruesome for the most part, depends on who's in charge.
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Honestly, just having the warden walk up and shoot them in the back of the head would be more sensible too. And probably cheaper.
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Huh, I wouldn't have thought the US would need to import general painkillers, since they're not exactly a niche market. Why aren't more produced domestically?

Actually, come to think of it, I have heard that painkillers are somewhat less restricted elsewhere, so I guess that the US probably has tighter regulations for production plants.
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name_here wrote:Huh, I wouldn't have thought the US would need to import general painkillers, since they're not exactly a niche market. Why aren't more produced domestically?
All the legal medical grade opiates in the whole world are overseen by the United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. There's seriously an international treaty forbidding increasing production of morphine. India has a near total monopoly, receiving serious competition only from Tasmania (North Korea makes their own, because of course they do).

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tussock wrote: Morphine would be sensible. Kind, almost, which is why they don't use it.
Yes, because why should criminals feel a few seconds of pleasure before death?

Conservatives want to hurt people and make them suffer. I think we need to be clear on that.
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K wrote:
tussock wrote: Morphine would be sensible. Kind, almost, which is why they don't use it.
Yes, because why should criminals feel a few seconds of pleasure before death?

Conservatives want to hurt people and make them suffer. I think we need to be clear on that.
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Prak: because they're causing suffering to real living people
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Yeah, there was a lot of red tape involved with that, because they don't actually want just anyone making morphine and shipping it off "somewhere" for money. Hilariously, the local wildlife really like eating the poppies in the fields. They then tend to have a bit of a nap, and are quite happy.
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ed-by-half

So, it turns out the large margin of error on the recent temperature trends was kind of ignoring the arctic, and a whole bunch of the recent heat energy increase was in the arctic (what with the ice melting and stuff), so ... the trend is not for -0.05 to +0.15 per decade recently, but rather +0.10 to +0.14 per decade. Right in the middle of a bunch of massive temporary cooling forces. Fuck.

They had the confidence interval right, we're just on the high end of it out here in reality, again. The sun's kicking back up to a good maximum now, and various places are smashing heat records in 2013.

In other news, “the coldest years now are warmer than the hottest years before 1998.” So next time we get a hot year, remember, in just 15 years more that'll be a fond memory of how cool it used to get.


The funny bit of this morbidity, if we keep hitting the upper bounds of possibility, while that's still unlikely, it's six degrees by 2080, and that is something I'll leave you to look up. The real estate market in sub-tropical Siberia will be interesting, especially when the winter storms come and drop fifty feet of snow on the ground, which all melts in a week. Fun for the whole survivalist cult. Enjoy your end-times.
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Last year it was +50 in Moscow. Combined with the forest fires - it was shit.
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Airplane takes a wrong turn and lands at the wrong airport. There is some delicious snark in the article.
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I feel sorry for the pilots. There are seriously three airports within 10 miles of each other on that side of Wichita. All the runways go the same direction, and two of them are on the same damn road.

According to USA Today's article about the incident, even after the plane landed, the pilots still didn't know where they were.
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http://hepc-cured.com/

Short version: There is a (very likely) cure for Hepatitis C by combining two drugs, one made by Gilead Sciences and one by Bristol Meyers. Gilead has since put a stop to further studies and stopped production on their half (my speculation: either to prevent HepC from being cured and to make money off a chronic disease, or until they can make a substitute for Bristol Meyer's half).

Is there more than what I'm aware of? Because upon face value, this is low even by capitalist standards.
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TheJerkStore wrote:(my speculation: either to prevent HepC from being cured and to make money off a chronic disease, or until they can make a substitute for Bristol Meyer's half).
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Hepatitis C is a virus. It does not have its own metabolism and by some definitions isn't even alive. It can stay dormant theoretically indefinitely and still replicate because it doesn't have its own cellular replication machinery, it uses yours. There is no "cure," nor can there ever be a "cure." When we talk about treating Hepatitis C, we talk about a "sustained virologic response," which is when we bring levels of Hepatitis C virus particles so low that we can't detect them a number of months after we complete a treatment cycle.

The latest development is that Janssen Pharmaceuticals, in conjunction with Merck just got FDA approval for Olysio, which is a protease inhibitor which when combined with peginterferon alpha and ribavirin has demonstrated a sustained virologic response at 12 weeks of about 80%. That's significantly better than other drug cocktails on the market, and I would expect a number of the other drugs to have their production discontinued (as the market of "people who are allergic to Olysio" may be too small to justify production).

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