[Dom3] Oldest Profession Game On

K · Post by K » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:14 am

Mmmmm, I gained provinces and lost none and I'm still 800 short. It can't be that.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:25 am

K wrote:Mmmmm, I gained provinces and lost none and I'm still 800 short. It can't be that.

Gaining provinces is an easy way to not gain money it looks like you're supposed to. If the taxes in the provinces you are attacking are set to zero, you get zero gold. But then the autotax takes over and sets the income to some non-zero amount. So your budget is short.

-Username17

K · Post by K » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:27 am

FrankTrollman wrote:
K wrote:Mmmmm, I gained provinces and lost none and I'm still 800 short. It can't be that.
Gaining provinces is an easy way to not gain money it looks like you're supposed to. If the taxes in the provinces you are attacking are set to zero, you get zero gold. But then the autotax takes over and sets the income to some non-zero amountm So your budget is short.

-Username17

I understand the idea, but that's not what happened. The province I gained made like 35 gold, but I'm still 800 short. I lost no provinces.

I think I found it. The gold you get happens pre-patrolling and after Blood Hunting unrest, magic-based unrest, and battle unrest. That would explain it because all that shit happened at my capital.

Guess it doesn't matter now. Hinnom just tanked my home province population so I'm not getting gold out of them much any more.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:07 pm

Glad to hear I'm doing something. For a while it was unclear whether or not you'd spend the rest of the game building up armies and just eying me with indifference.

DrPraetor · Post by **DrPraetor** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:22 am

Oops, just missed the deadline

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On the plus side, I think that was my least-expensive stale *ever*.

K · Post by K » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:50 am

Ikeren wrote:Glad to hear I'm doing something. For a while it was unclear whether or not you'd spend the rest of the game building up armies and just eying me with indifference.

I was a nation in the middle of five other nations and had no defendable border, was horribly gem-poor, and was research-poor because I was a Death nation who couldn't make Skull Mentors.

I was never going to attack anyone. That's why I made Pacts with all of my neighbors who shared more than a one-province border with me.

angelfromanotherpin · Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:09 am

I think the narrative of how Sauromatia's capital fell while their main armies were in the field, so they seized the abandoned capital of the cursed giants and are now a nation in exile is pretty cool.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:46 am

With the number of armies moving in on the Sauromatian capital, there was no way we were going to hold it, so we rounded up all the tribes that remembered the old ways and just went nomad again.

-Sauromatia

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:00 pm

I was never going to attack anyone. That's why I made Pacts with all of my neighbors who shared more than a one-province border with me.

Missed one

K · Post by K » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:44 am

Ikeren wrote:
I was never going to attack anyone. That's why I made Pacts with all of my neighbors who shared more than a one-province border with me.
Missed one

Did I? I'd swear that we negotiated a Pact though in-game messages when we first met each other.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:13 am

I refused to use in game messaging because my memory is terrible in another game. That I would decide to use it in this game seems really weird, especially because it is so much less foolproof than PM's, and I've repeatedly demonstrated that I need maximal foolproofing

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:26 pm

Okay, T'ien Ch'i is out. We don't come back from that.

Some things I don't understand about the failed siege-breaking attempt:

• How did archery target my rear-placed casters?

• How the hell did my Seraph fatigue itself out turn 1? It cast Fire Storm and despite having all the paths and gems required instantly had 200 fatigue. wtf?

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:47 pm

angelfromanotherpin wrote:Okay, T'ien Ch'i is out. We don't come back from that.

Some things I don't understand about the failed siege-breaking attempt:

• How did archery target my rear-placed casters?

Celestial Masters are flyers. In the absence of bird chaff, archers on "fire flyers" will target Celestial Masters. Androphags were set to exactly that.

• How the hell did my Seraph fatigue itself out turn 1? It cast Fire Storm and despite having all the paths and gems required instantly had 200 fatigue. wtf?

Firestorm is a base of 500 fatigue. The Seraph was rolling in there with Fire 5, so even 6 gems sets him back 250 fatigue. The maximum fatigue is 200, so it stops there.

-Username17

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:02 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:Celestial Masters are flyers. In the absence of bird chaff, archers on "fire flyers" will target Celestial Masters. Androphags were set to exactly that.

Tricksy.

Firestorm is a base of 500 fatigue. The Seraph was rolling in there with Fire 5, so even 6 gems sets him back 250 fatigue. The maximum fatigue is 200, so it stops there.

Buh? I guess I've just been laboring under a fundamental misunderstanding there.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:52 pm

One thing that I've found out recently (which I've narrowly avoided) is that the "gem cost" for casting a battle spell does not reduce fatigue.

For example: Living Earth needs Earth 4 and requires 2 gems (200 fatigue cost). If you give your caster 4 gems, he will use 2 gems to cast the spell, and the other 2 to reduce fatigue. That will reduce 200 fatigue to 1/3 of normal, or 67.

By contrast, if you cast Earthquake it still needs Earth 4, but 3 gems (300 fatigue). What happens in this case is that your caster eats 3 gems for the spell, but only 1 gem for fatigue reduction. With 1 gem, it reduced fatigue by 1/2... so 150 fatigue.

In cases where your fatigue would go over 200, you only get up to 200 fatigue as long as you were casting awake.

Also, don't forget you can't use more gems than you have paths in that school.

I was lucky in this case because I was also laboring under the previous assumptions (gems spent on a spell reduce fatigue), but I never cast a lot of spells requiring a lot of gems.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:44 am

Explains so much. So, so much.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:08 pm

On this turn 49, we, Hinnom, break our NAP-6 with Abysia. Not because we specifically have plans to set attack orders on turn 55, but because it's getting to the end game, and that's a bit too big of a NAP to be comfortable with.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:05 am

I have just received a job that is high paying (300$/day or more) that I am well suited to and have had in the past with other companies, but did not expect to or wish to take again --- circumstances dictate that I do. It will require me to be in the wilderness and have computer access only at a rate of one in six days.

I am looking for a sub. Hinnom has a NAP6 with Abysia, broken on turn 49, and a NAP3 with Ulm. This game is a little more complex, so if you want more information, PM me. We are at war with Lanka (K --- basically won) and Pangaea (Winnah) sniped some provinces, but the war with Lanka means all we can do is glare, for now.

It should be someone with no strong hostilities to anyone else in the game.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:08 am

Oh man, sad to see you go Ikeren. You had a real shot at winning this game :/

K · Post by K » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:42 am

Ikeren wrote:We are at war with Lanka (K --- basically won) and Pangaea (Winnah) sniped some provinces, but the war with Lanka means all we can do is glare, for now.

War with Lanka = incapable of taking Lanka fortresses and taking heavy losses with every attempt.

Any sub should probably know that. Lock-down duty is pretty tedious.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:13 am

Lock-down duty is pretty tedious.

QFT...though I don't think we've tried to break into a fortress, just steal all your provinces and eq-bomb your chaff.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:23 am

If somebody else wants to sub, they should.
If nobody wants to, I'll take the spot.

Sending Frank an E-Mail, just in case...

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:21 am

Set Korwin to sub for Hinnom.

Sauromatia continues to flail in the skins of the empires it has killed. Our doom is clearly imminent, but we did just kill the god of Pangaea again. We note that Pangaea took the time to re-empower her, so that was a lot of gems down the toilet.
But the loss of Bune severely restricts our ability to raid. The beginning of the end happened a long time ago, we may now be in the middle of the end.

-Username17

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:13 pm

Thanks for the sub, sending you all the details I can Korwin.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:56 am

Current turn is submitted,
next turn I need an extension until 25 April 20.00 Llama time.

Thanks!