Worst D&D 3.X NPC Statblocks

Hicks · Post by **Hicks** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:33 pm

Isn't the math supposed to be done in the 3.x stat block?

FatR · Post by **FatR** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:16 pm

I don't think any of the statblocks provided so far deserve to be called "the worst". Saying that Elminster is not worth CR 27 doesn't meant much, if the whole CR system had disintegrated long before that point.

I nominate writeups of iconic NPCs from 3E DMG. Tordek and the Chump Gang were objectively awful at levels where you could still mostly make meaningful comparisons, and their baleful influence extended all the way to Pathfinder, where difficulty of an adventure was still inversely proportional to amount of humanoid NPCs in it.

ColorBlindNinja61 · Post by **ColorBlindNinja61** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 pm

FatR wrote:I nominate writeups of iconic NPCs from 3E DMG. Tordek and the Chump Gang were objectively awful at levels where you could still mostly make meaningful comparisons, and their baleful influence extended all the way to Pathfinder, where difficulty of an adventure was still inversely proportional to amount of humanoid NPCs in it.

Aren't some of the NPCs in Pathfinder walking around with illegal builds? I seem to remember one their Monks having feats they didn't qualify for.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:39 pm

ColorBlindNinja61 wrote:Aren't some of the NPCs in Pathfinder walking around with illegal builds? I seem to remember one their Monks having feats they didn't qualify for.

I think they had a few issues with some of the pre-gen characters for their organized play campaign.

elvenzord · Post by **elvenzord** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:06 pm

There are some Dragon Magazine NPC adaptations to check that are pretty laughable.

But IMHO I always can recall on Dr312, Halisstra Melarn (a drow from War of Spider Queen novels). She's defined as a Brd8/Clr10 .... yes, a 19th level spellcaster character with 5th level spells at half its power level.

If that does not ring a bell of how 3rd Ed. screws you up multiclassing spellcasting basic classes, nothing will do.

Bonus points on Dr322, where due to a change on Deity, buys another Weapon focus (now longsword) feat, leaving a +5 mace for now wielding a +2 sword. Like if that's going to be of any utility for her...