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TRUE DRAGON
"Roawr!"
True Dragon Racial Traits
• Medium Quadruped: True Dragons are considered quadrapedal and long creatures for the purposes of encumbrance and reach.
• Base land speed of 30 feet
• Fly speed of 60 feet (Average, -1 maneuverability category per natural size increase (min: clumsy) )
• Darkvision 120 feet
• Low Light Vision (x4)
• +4 Dex
• Immunities (Ex): A True Dragon is immune to Paralysis, Sleep, non natural aging, and the damage type of its breath weapon
• Breath Weapon (Su): A dragon has a breath weapon that it may used as a standard action once every 1d4 rounds that does 1d6 points of energy damage per character level of the dragon. Anything caught in your breath weapon’s area may make a (10 +1/2 hit dice + CON modifier) reflex save for half damage. The type of energy damage inflicted and the area of the breath weapon depends on the subtype of the dragon

Elemental Type	Breath Weapon Area and Damage Type
Air	30’ Cone of gaseous Poison (Reflex save becomes a Fort save)
Cold	30’ Cone of Cold
Earth	60’ Line of Electricity
Fire	30’ Cone of Fire
Water	60’ Line of Acid

• Subtypes: A True Dragon has the Dragon type and the Air, Cold, Earth, Fire, or Water subtype, which determines its basic looks and name, and grants a minor ability.

Elemental Type	Name	Ability
Air	Green Dragon	Maneuverability increased to and stays at perfect
Cold	White Dragon	Vulnerability to fire Dragon Rime (Su): Your Breath Weapon ignores cold resistance, Cold Immunity instead halves damage
Earth	Blue Dragon	Burrow at ½ its fly speed
Fire	Red Dragon	Vulnerability to cold Dragon Fire (Su): Your Breath Weapon ignores fire resistance, Fire Immunity instead halves damage
Water	Black Dragon	Breathe Water (Ex) and Swim at ½ its fly speed

• Natural Attacks (Ex): A dragon has 3 natural Attacks; one bite attack (which has reach) and two claw attacks, each does damage equal to one size category larger than the true dragon.
• Optional Racial Hit Dice: Most base classes have a minimum age prerequisite. If a True dragon wishes to enter any class other than the Dragon Monster Class, it must take Dragon Monster Class levels until it meets the minimum age prerequisite (usually 2-3 levels).

Dragon Monster Class
Racial Prerequisite: Must be a True Dagon
Hit Die: d12
Skills: 6 + INT, minimum 1. Dragons are a diverse lot; therefore, every skill is a class skill for a Dragon. However, each true dragon must first max out the skills associated with it before it may spend ranks in other skills (Balance and Climb for White, Hide and Swim for Black, Bluff and Listen for Blue, Survival and Diplomacy for Green, Sense Motive and Appraise for Red).

Level	BAB	Fortitude	Reflex	Willpower	Special Ability
Wyrmling
1	1	+2	+2	+2	Age, Natural Armor, Fast Flier, Mental Ability Boost +2
2	2	+3	+3	+3	Spell Resistance
3	3	+3	+3	+3	Alternate Form, Know no Fear
4	4	+4	+4	+4	Sphere
Young
5	5	+4	4	4	Growing Pains, Tail Slap, Mental Ability Boost +2
6	6	+5	+5	+5	Deep Breath
7	7	+5	+5	+5	Damage Reduction 5/magic
8	8	+6	+6	+6	Sphere
Adult
9	9	+6	+6	+6	Growing Pains, Crush, Scary Presence, Mental Ability Boost +2
10	10	+7	+7	+7	Deep Breath
11	11	+7	+7	+7	Damage Reduction 10/magic
12	12	+8	+8	+8	Sphere
Old
13	13	+8	+8	+8	Growing Pains, Tail Sweep, Fearful Presence, Mental Ability Boost +2
14	14	+9	+9	+9	Deep Breath
15	15	+9	+9	+9	Damage Reduction 15/magic
16	16	+10	+10	+10	Sphere
Wyrm
17	17	+10	+10	+10	Growing Pains, Panicking Presence, Mental Ability Boost +2
18	18	+11	+11	+11	Deep Breath
19	19	+11	+11	+11	Damage Reduction 20/epic
20	20	+12	+12	+12	Sphere, Legend of the Great Wyrm

Class Abilities
Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: Dragons are proficient with all their natural weapons gained from class abilities (including Alternate Form) and with simple weapons when in a humanoid form. Dragons are not proficient with armor or shields of any kind.

Age: Advancement in the Dragon Monster Class is based not only on accumulated experience, but on age too. To determine how old a dragon must be in years to advance to the next level in the dragon monster class, add 1 to the sum total of its levels then multiply by the next level of advancement. For example: to attain 7th level, the dragon must be at least 196 years old ((7+6+5+4+3+2+1) x 7).

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Level	Age in years
1	born
2	6
3	18
4	40
5	75
6	126
7	196
8	288
9	405
10	550
11	726
12	936
13	1,183
14	1,470
15	1,800
16	]2,176
17	2,601
18	3,078
19	3,610
20	4,200+

Natural Armor (Ex): The older you get, the tougher your scales become. Starting at first level you gain an unnamed natural armor bonus equal to your class level.

Fast Flier (Ex): The older you get, the stronger your wings become. Starting at first level your fly speed increases by 10 feet for every class level.

Mental Ability Boost (Ex): The Older you get, the smarter you become. At first, fifth, ninth, thirteenth, and seventeenth level, you get a +2 unnamed bonus to your Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma.

Spell Resistance (Su): You are a creature of magic, and the more you learn of it the better you can resist it. At second level you gain spell resistance equal to 10 + your character level

Alternate Form (Su): Here there be dragons. At third level, you gain the supernatural ability to alter your form into any medium Animal or Humanoid once per day per class level for an indefinite duration.

Know no Fear (Ex): You’re at the top of the food chain, and you know it. At third level, you become immune to any Fear effect or condition.

Sphere (Sp): You gain access to any one fiendish sphere, only they aren’t fiendish to you and don’t turn you into some scion of evil. They may not act as prerequisites for any fiendish class or [fiend] feat, but they do stack with any spheres obtained by any means. Additionally, any alignment specific spells (such as blasphemy or unholy sword) change to spells based on your alignment (ergo holy word or holy sword).
If you choose a sphere that would give you a subtype you already possess, your breath weapon die is increased to a d8 (for basic access), a d10 (for advanced access), or a d10 and is always empowered to do 1.5x damage (for expert access) instead of gaining a redundant subtype.

Growing Pains (Ex): You are so old, your base size increases to large at fifth level. Refer to pages 69 (for natural attack damage) and 291 (for ability increases and penalties) of the monster manual for the specifics on increasing size. At ninth level, your size increases to huge. At thirteenth level, your size increases to gargantuan. At seventeenth level, your size increases to colossal.

Tail Slap (Ex): At fifth level, you gain a natural Tail Slap attack of a dragon straight out of pages 68-69 of the monster manual

Deep Breath (Su): At sixth, tenth, fourteenth, and eighteenth level the area of you breath weapon increases; 20’ longer for a line, 10’ longer for a cone.

Damage Reduction(Su): Your hide is so tough, it ignores nonmagical weapons. At level seven, you gain DR 5/magic, which increases to DR 10/magic at level eleven, DR 15/magic at level fifteen, and becomes DR 20/epic at level nineteen.

Crush (Ex): At ninth level, you gain the Crush special attack of a dragon straight out of pages 68-69 of the monster manual

Scary Presence (Ex): At ninth level, you are really scary whenever you charge or use a SLA, and when doing those things all enemies with less hit dice than you within 10’ per class level must make a (DC 10 + ½ your character level + charisma modifier) will save or be Shaken for half your character level in rounds. Successful saves negate this fear affect.

Fearful Presence (Ex): At thirteenth level, you are very frightening whenever you charge or use a SLA, and when doing those things all enemies with less hit dice than you within 10’ per class level must make a (DC 10 + ½ your character level + charisma modifier) will save or be Frightened for half your character level in rounds. Successful saves negate this fear affect. This ability replaces Scary Presence.

Tail Sweep (Ex): At thirteenth level, you gain the Tail Sweep attack of a dragon straight out of pages 68-69 of the monster manual

Panicking Presence (Ex): At seventeenth level, you panic the pants off everyone whenever you charge or use a SLA, and when doing those things all enemies with less hit dice than you within 10’ per class level must make a (DC 10 + ½ your character level + charisma modifier) will save or be Panicked for half your character level in rounds. Successful saves negate this fear affect. This ability replaces Fearful Presence.

Legend of the Great Wyrm (Ex): Having survived for 42 centuries, you have tested and tried just about everything at least once. At twentieth level, once per round as an immediate action you may grant yourself the use of any one feat you meet the prerequisites for, or use any of your Spell Like Abilities. If your SLA may already be used as an immediate or swift action, you may instead use it as a non action and save your immediate or swift action for something else.

Sample Dragon

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-	Azragog, Lord of the Red Dragon Flight (Male Great Red Wyrm Dragon)
Size and Type:	Colossal Dragon [Fire]
Languages:	Common, Draconic
Hit Dice:	20d12+320 (455 HP)
Initiative:	+9
Speed:	30’, fly 240’ (clumsy); about 109m/h on a run
Armor Class:	56 (+14 armor, +6 Dex, +34 natural, -8 size), 8 Touch, *never* Flatfooted
BAB/Size Modifier:	Mod /(+16,-8)
Attack:	1 (+16) Bite +54 melee (4d8+42, 19-20/x3, DC 43 fort or daze) 2 (+16) Claws +52 melee (4d6+30, 19-20/x3, DC 43 fort or daze) 2 (+16) Wings +52 melee (2d8+30, 19-20/x3, DC 43 fort or daze) 1 (+16) Tail Slap +52 melee (4d8+54, 19-20/x3, DC 43 fort or daze)
Space/Reach:	30’/20’ (30’ with Bite)
Special Attacks:	Spheres (heresy x3, death x2), breath weapon 1/d4 rounds (70’ cone of fire, 20d6, DC 36 reflex for half, ignores fire resistance, fire immunity halves damage), crush, tail sweep, panicking presence (200’ radius; on charge or SLA, DC 30 will or be panicked for 10 rounds)
Special Qualities:	Immune to fire and magical death effects, cold vulnerability, dragon fire, natural armor, fast flyer, alternate form 20/day, know no fear, SR 30, deep breath, damage reduction 40 (DR 20/epic, DR 20/adamantine), legend of the great wyrm, uncanny dodge, blindsense 60’, tremorsense 120’
Saves:	Fort +35, Ref +25, Will +35
Abilities:	STR 58, DEX 22, CON 42, INT 34, WIS 42, CHA 30
Skills:	Appraise 35, Concentration 39, Intimidate 32, Knowledge (arcana) 33, Listen 39, Sense Motive 39, Spellcraft 37, Spot 39, Use Magic Device 33
Feats:	Combat School (all natural attacks), Horde Breaker, Blind Fighting, Blitz, Danger Sense, Insightful Strike, Whirlwind, Legend of the Great Wyrm,
CR:	20
Items:	Belt of Magnificence +7 Cloak of Resistance +7 +7 Adamantine Breastplate of Heavy Fortification
Alignment:	Chaotic Neutral

[Kaelik]

1) I would recommend making Dragon specific spheres. I'll happily generate some if you want.

2) I already had an idea for Force Dragons: d4 damage + bullrush, feel free to make one.

3) Your rules for Spheres granting subtype make basically no sense. There are only two spheres that grant a subtype, I'm not even sure they do, they might only grant immunity to a type. And if they do offer the subtype, they do it as the ability, which is identical for basic/advanced/expert access.

4) WTF was everyone smoking when they decided that Dragons as a Rule have to have higher stats than everyone at everything?

Other people are supposed to exist on the same RNG. You give them free size increases, cool, those are basically the equivalents of Tome feats at those levels. Why the fuck is every Dragon in the universe running around with a flat +10 to all mental stats?

That's really dumb. Wizards should be smarter than Dragons at every level.

You also built your example Dragon crappy, since Int and Wis do nothing for Dragons, and Cha does lots of crap.

I imagine you did that on purpose as an attempt to hide how off the RNG +10 to mental stats puts characters.
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The aging as a requirement for levelling system is awful and you would be better off getting rid of it.
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[Kaelik]

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No, that would be a problem. Using your example, Condouits only get a +2.5 bonus to DCs 'cuz they only go to 10th level.

Seriously, what is your problem? The highest a dragon can possibly pump one mental stat is only 40. That's, what, a +15 bonus? I'm really shaking in my boots when i have to roll a DC 34 save at 20th level, or even DC 33 at 17th.

Lets put this in perspective, a 20th level person will have either 18 or 12 + a bullshit ability modifier for their saves, which will be a minimum of +5 with the shitty 28 point buy and a maximum of +18 for a Fortitude save for creature who was advanced to size catagory: colossal. And even the minimum that is never gonna happen because the base 8 you get either goes into Charisma or some other dump stat if you're a sorcerer or whatever.

But let us say we are regarding a retard who put that starting 8 in an ability score that actually mattered. The spread is thus: DC 34 - a minimum save of 23 or 17 = 9 or 17. Wow, look at that. I didn't rape the RNG. You can kindly sit. The fuck. Down now.

[Kaelik]

WTF: So you think the fact that Dragons cast spells +5DCs over everyone else who makes a living casting spells isn't a problem at all?


I freely admit that saves are too damn high in Tome games and basically no PC can ever fail any save ever. But the actual monsters still fail them about half the time if you pick an average save, more for a bad one. Adding in an arbitrary +5 to everything for Dragons is dumb.

Why can't you make a Dragon class that has one stat lower than a normal character? Why do Dragons have to be +10 more charismatic, and also more intelligent, and also wiser, and also insanely stronger, and also more tougher?

WTF, make them melee beasts or make them Casters, but don't make them bullshit "all my stats are higher than all your stats" penis extensions.
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