9/11 Anniversaries, or "OH DEAR GOD FORBID WE FORGET!"

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:54 pm

So... it's the 10th anniversary of a couple planes getting flown into a couple buildings. ...and the country music likers (ok, some others too, probably, but, lets face it...) are out in force waving flags, listening to shitty nationalistic music, drinking crappy beer, and in general making a farce of their entire thought process today by having big conservapaloozas to remember 9/11, where they will completely forget why they're there, until someone gives their canned speech.

But, ok, whatever, let them have their conservapalooza, that's fine, they're free to do it, I've got no problem with that. And I have no problem with people having actual memorial services for their loved ones who died.

No, what I have a problem with is everyone making some giant to do about how it's been "(X many) years since them-there towel heads blew up our buildin's!" Why? Because no one really gives a shit, no one goes through life, well, no one sane, anyway, thinking "Oh we gotta get them ragheads fer blowin' up our buildin's!" It's only around September 11th that people lose their shit over this. I mean, look, the people who were involved in the attack all either died in their successful attack, or were captured and imprisoned after their failed attack. The orchestrators have been captured and imprisoned, and the two villified bastards who everyone thinks were involved are also now dead. Can we fucking get on with our lives now? It's not like there are only two options, "forget what happened" or "Make a big fucking deal every time the date comes around." And it's not like we do this about other things. We don't make a big fucking deal when the anniversary of Hitler's first use of The Final Solution, with involved many more deaths, with no national tie, than Sept. 11th, we don't make big deals about Waco, or the Oklahoma bombing, or Manson. Hell, we don't even make a big deal about national things, like the Boston Massacre, or the Pearl Harbor attacks (nowhere near as much, anyway). So why do we have to lose our shit about this?

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:28 pm

Still too recent for it to calm down. I imagine there were a lot of memorials and "We Shall Never Forget" things happening after Pearl Harbor. Now? Not so much.

And 9/11 has been used to justify so much shit since then, it's kept in the collective consciousness. I imagine it'll wear down from here on, apart from some degree of "20 years ago today terrorists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon".

Oh, and it also happened to NYC. You know how it goes, if you don't live in New York City or Los Angeles, you don't matter why don't you move out of flyover country?

Gx1080 · Post by **Gx1080** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:48 pm

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Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:55 pm

Maxus wrote:Still too recent for it to calm down. I imagine there were a lot of memorials and "We Shall Never Forget" things happening after Pearl Harbor. Now? Not so much.

And 9/11 has been used to justify so much shit since then, it's kept in the collective consciousness. I imagine it'll wear down from here on, apart from some degree of "20 years ago today terrorists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon".

Oh, and it also happened to NYC. You know how it goes, if you don't live in New York City or Los Angeles, you don't matter why don't you move out of flyover country?

This.

K · Post by K » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:10 pm

Until the wars die down, you can't forget the reason for those wars.

Now, as a justification for ten years of war and ten trillion dollars and thousands more lives and tens of thousands of lives destroyed, it doesn't add up, but that's not something that people can emotionally process.

Obscene patriotic displayes and chest-beating are a base requirement during wartime because if our soldiers ever figure out that they have the guns and can decide to come home, we are fucked.

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:31 pm

Ten years ago, roughly 3,000 people were killed in an act of terrorism.

As a result of that we started two three wars in different foreign countries, made massive changes to our economy and airlines and built several memorials.

Every single month since then roughly 3,000 people have been killed in automobile accidents - and nobody gives a shit.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:44 pm

As far as I can tell from watching TV the past two days, 9/11 is now just a way to sell merchandise.

Count Arioch the 28th · Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:52 pm

Re: Josh

The Joker wrote: Nobody panics when things go "according to plan"… even if the plan is horrifying.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:58 am

Apparently 10 years means it is officially no longer "Too Soon", so it's okay for people to make jokes about it.

I'd get the ball rolling here, but I can't think of any that are actually funny.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:37 am

What, no one else celebrates Happy Plane Day?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:55 am

I've been saying for... oh, roughly the last seven years that we should just bring the kids home and let Iraq figure shit out for itself. Hell, I bet our economy miraculously recovers after two months once we stop with the war shit.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:13 am

CatharzGodfoot wrote:As far as I can tell from watching TV the past two days, 9/11 is now just a way to sell merchandise.

so too became "black history month"....funny how most of those "i want my 40 acres and a mule" shirts sold during february....

to like it, not harping on it, doesnt make anyone win or lose...you just stop the angst about it and move on.

religious wars do not end until you end religion, o too goes for governing rules, until all people agre on one form of government.

so long as there are people that mix the two, then we all just have to wade through life as has been done since the crusades.

funny though, i dont see the vatican bitching about or trying to reclaim jerusalem these days.....

so just shut up about it, because it is just another statistic in the piles of tragedies, and learn from ALL of them, and stop acting like this shit still doesnt happen today because "civilization has evolved"...cause really, it hasnt, it only became more technological.

too many of these sort of tragedies, have been made into holidays. here we just have another one.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:26 am

this thread is chock full of aspie

"why are people memorializing a tragic national event BEEP BEEP BOOP DOES NOT COMPUTE"

K · Post by K » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:06 am

Psychic Robot wrote:this thread is chock full of aspie

"why are people memorializing a tragic national event BEEP BEEP BOOP DOES NOT COMPUTE"

People are actually wondering why other people keep flogging themselves over a decade-old tragedy like it happened yesterday when every other tragedy of equal weight is not commemorated as vigorously (for example, Hurricane Katrina killed 1800 people and it's been totally forgotten).

Considering you don't understand this about the people commenting here, I think you're full of aspie.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:37 am

comparing hurricane katrina to 9/11: "a natural disaster and and a premeditated terrorist attack on american soil are exactly the same because they resulted in the loss of human life WHY CAN'T YOU NEUROTYPICALS UNDERSTAND"

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:44 am

So, PR, care to stop trolling and offer a reason why we should fap over the memory of the Sept. 11th attacks? Maybe give me a reason to have bothered to look at your retarded post?

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:08 am

Prak_Anima wrote:So, PR, care to stop trolling and offer a reason why we should fap over the memory of the Sept. 11th attacks? Maybe give me a reason to have bothered to look at your retarded post?

because he wants to perpetuate hate crimes as a good thing, so that 9/11 has more weight to give him reason to more openly hate people...oh wait that's the other thread.

and that might have been "phone lobster" rather than PR, but i am still not certain they arent the same person using sock-puppets.

a disaster is a tragedy...you can only give each one so much weight be they natural or manmade, and JApan jsut got hit again AFTER the March tsunami and near total nuclear disaster...but again the news isnt spamming about that anymore, as they simply drum up things related to get the strongest emotional response, be that emotion appropriate or not.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:19 am

So, PR, care to stop trolling and offer a reason why we should fap over the memory of the Sept. 11th attacks? Maybe give me a reason to have bothered to look at your retarded post?

I disagree with the fapping but it nonetheless irks me when leftists whine about any display of patriotism or solidarity with one's country. if you want a serious response to your sperging:

And it's not like we do this about other things. We don't make a big fucking deal when the anniversary of Hitler's first use of The Final Solution, with involved many more deaths, with no national tie,

holocaust was a million years ago and it didn't really affect america

we don't make big deals about Waco,

that's probably one of those things we'd rather forget

or the Oklahoma bombing,

internal terrorism is less shocking than a foreign attack on our nation, also fewer people died.

or Manson.

do I really need to explain this one

Hell, we don't even make a big deal about national things, like the Boston Massacre, or the Pearl Harbor attacks (nowhere near as much, anyway). So why do we have to lose our shit about this?

how much longer ago did these events occur oh yes give 9/11 another fifty years and maybe we won't "lose our shit" about it anymore

K · Post by K » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:22 am

Psychic Robot wrote:comparing hurricane katrina to 9/11: "a natural disaster and and a premeditated terrorist attack on american soil are exactly the same because they resulted in the loss of human life WHY CAN'T YOU NEUROTYPICALS UNDERSTAND"

You actually have to not be autistic to realize the overly emotional narrative that is being attached to 9/11.

I mean, it's "premeditated terrorist attack" as if there were some "accidental terrorist attack" that would be less awful. It's "American soil" because that pulls on more emotions than "in America" and also much more people than "in New York."

Basically, it's a narrative that feeds into the right-wing desire for an enemy to keep the common people distracted. It's not even about the numbers of people killed, but purely about the pathos that can be wrung from the situation.

This is why Republicans mention 9/11 a lot more often than Democrats. Republicans need that fear to stay in power. Heck, Rudy Giuliani thought he could be President simply by being near 9/11.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:23 am

Psychic Robot wrote:that's probably one of those things we'd rather forget

yes 9/11 is, but not very possible, when the senses are flooded with it for over a fucking decade AFTER the fact, when there is really nothing left to be done about it, save for let the victims families mourn in peace and reverence, and even forget it and move on if they wish, without the interference of mass-media trying to bring the subject back up just for ratings boosts as it gets closer to sweeps week....or mid-season rut in programming.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:30 am

9/11 has more emotional significance than hurricane katrina? fucking right-wing propaganda JUST TURN OFF FAUX NEWS AND OPEN YOUR MIND MAN

Gx1080 · Post by **Gx1080** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:33 pm

I know that is a novel concept for self-hating leftists, but people want their country to kick ass. And in 9/11 the US....didn't. So yeah, that's why is kinda important to US people.

Count Arioch the 28th · Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:38 pm

I don't feel the need to shut anyone up about this. I am not largely hurt by the events, but I do know people who are (I know people who lost friends and family in the attacks).

I feel it would be crass to interfere in their mourning in any way.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Gx1080 wrote:I know that is a novel concept for self-hating leftists, but people want their country to kick ass. And in 9/11 the US....didn't. So yeah, that's why is kinda important to US people.

as Kemosabi said to the Lone Ranger: "what is this US, white man?"

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:59 pm

There are still today Memorial services for Pearl Harbor every year.
The only thing that's remotely disturbing about 9/11 ceremonies is this thing where Americans are acting like noone else has ever suffered Terrorist attacks. Remembering 9/11 is actually important, though it would help if we learned the right lessons from it.