What are you watching these days?

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:31 pm

SHIELD ep. 9. Bland, with no real connection to the Marvel Universe, but workable as a so-so X-Files episode.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:50 pm

I'm still trying to figure out episode 8. Is this a thing the Thor movie did? Because the 'Asgardians aren't gods from another dimension, they're aliens from another planet' isn't a thing the Marvel universe did. Or at least didn't used to.

Or is this one of those fucked up things that are a consequence of putting stuff on American television and 'we don't want to offend the Christians mentality.'

And what a horribly inappropriate mousy little guy to cast in that guest role.

I could also rant about how badly they handled berserker stories as well (magic artifact did it!) but what would be the point?

Cynic · Post by **Cynic** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:49 pm

I haven't seen the episode but some of the Marvel parallel worlds have the Asgardians as aliens altered by the Celestials and then placed ( I think) on Earth.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:05 pm

Whether Asgardians are gods or aliens in the Marvel universe depends on the version you're using. At various times they have been either or both. In the Marvel movie-verse, the Asgardians are an alien race with ridiculously advanced technology. And people who have very good science skills can science at Asgardian stuff and people who have merely good science skills look at it and say "I dunno... magic?"

Things change. Jane Foster is a physicist played by Natalie Portman rather than a nurse. But frankly, using the Ultimate Thor idea of super technology indistinguishable from magic is totally fine.

-Username17

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:31 pm

Things do change (and Marvel bullshit most of all). But it is nice to get a heads up on it- and since it is running in tandem with 'we don't believe in telekinesis,' it is sometimes difficult to keep track of what bullshit is what. Especially not having seen the Thor movies that are suddenly driving the plot.

Sir Neil wrote:SHIELD ep. 9. Bland

Not quite what I'd go for. Puerile comes closer, especially since the main characters continue to come off as complete asshats.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:22 pm

I don't watch Agents of Shield, but I did watch the Thor movies. The background here is that the nine worlds are all planets and you can go from one to the other via rainbow bridge portal, and also by flying through space in a ship, and various other ways.

The Vanir, Jotun, and Svartalfar have all made appearances, and they are variously powerful. Vanir heroes seem pretty bad ass, but I'm not sure they have any intrinsic powers. Jotun are frost giants who are all individually the equal of non-named character Aesir. Svartalfar are pretty much exactly WH40K Dark Eldar, and they all seem very bad ass, but you get the impression it's because they are crazy old rather than that they have any intrinsic super strength.

Jotunheimers are blue. Svartalfs look like elves. Vanir seem to be Mongols? And of course, Aesir look like Norwegians. Except that some of them are Black.

Svartalf

[img]data:image/jpeg;base64,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[/img]
Jotun

[img]data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhISERQUExQUFBQSFBUVFRQUFBQUFBUUFBQVFBQUFBUXHCYeFxkkGRQUHy8gIycpLCwsFR4xNTAqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOGA8PGikcHiQpKSkqLCkpKSksKSkpKSkpKSksKSkpKSkpKSkpKSksLCwpLCkpLCwsKSwpLCwpLCwsLP/AABEIAL4BCQMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAQIDBAUABwj/xABDEAABAwEFBQQHBQcDBAMAAAABAAIRAwQFEiExBhNBUWEicZGhFDJSgbHB0QcVI0LwJDNicnOS4RZT8UNjgqI0VLL/xAAaAQADAQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUG/8QAIxEAAgICAgICAwEAAAAAAAAAAAECEQMhEjETUQRBIjJhFP/aAAwDAQACEQMRAD8AAXMTIV0sUD2Lx7PRogwpcKeBmnhiYiINXQpA1cWoARoSlqcwLoSGTtaonNzU7RkO5RPCkY2EwMlzeUqVaNzWUEPcc8EFJukNK2XLnoCs+HuMM0bPLPNWr9oNLxgI3kSQ3jlp3qhWYGPGA9qBiIGQcdJV2g4txb1khpBxNMEEQuR+zoXohuu3NJAqU8fWSCOi3q1PdsqbshoLMm67xryBhHUEeaxTZKVQudD2akOAgEczOpVux2U0e3vmktZijDiLQ4xh7wPMqHRWzUp3pWtdRjKQNJzcnHi1uhcTwy071s3BdNKnUrNpycL2ETmcsjmVk3ZbXNq1HtDmsIaSSyZMce/ktvZWS98ntGmSR3uBQtsUtKzzHbYftNf+t9ER3Sz9ktP9IfAof25H7TX/AKv0RFdR/ZbT/S+RXZD9UYPtnn9I5Badj2Wq1mOqNpOqRlMw1p6lZtnpzhA1JAHeSAF6cbd6Fd1EYZNQYniHDNwk+qCMojNbOVdEwjyPLbZcVpYCSwtA1AcD5A5qvZKzpLXDMazkQi29Lz7WFzSCMz2gIkSNdckK1R+0vOoIDp71rGTlHZOSCi9FhckCVQScucMk4JXDJIdETXJyianhyokcQkXEpspUMVKkhIigouuqjmoX1BzTXBRlTRVih6nFRJQdmrNQiEMCq6qEm8CR4zSBuaKQiVrxzSyOa6m1TUxmkMVlURqJEqCpVHNTOCjqpFDRVHMIk2Ss+8ZVA07IQu1Hf2cUZZaD7OH4FRP9SodjK93CnRMjU4pnUg9keSdYbnqODnViMLnQ2DoZAMjuUu0tpaykA4iC6I4mM8lm19qX7k4WENecnHgYH0XElJo6W0iKrZKr6mB9TCwOcG8JaDHyWxWshc002hrKdNjQSD2nSZJJ6ofZeDiSSxr8WpK17pvNheXVOy14wR+XKIg805JiTRYZeL2U3sALg8tY2pwgZEnwOaKdmqTW1KxxdvCGxwwofuPBUtNWg4y0ktaOQ1y8UTWBjadSu0TIbRBJ0kkiR5JLQntUeV7aum01/wCr9ERXa4Cy2iTH4X1Q1tr/APKr/wBX6IksLh6LaD/2x812Q/VGD7YBWS0YcDhngc13gQfkvSzbBUstnq9kNhsNMuiJ7A4nMRPReaWazlzcuA/QR9dTy277OAGEup1CA/MAl7yAY0MK8saSZWCW2gYvG93VKtV5ayXOkNE5cteCx2sLy5wElxz0GQEfGVJaMReRha3P8vI8lWp1QR2evxWqWiMktk/o7uXwXNplI0FPDUrRmduiOHwSSuqMMFV2BC2HRKyzudoJ8E9931Bq3zH1TWtTy09fFUIayyPOg8x9VJ93VBq3/wBm/VN3SUU0WKh7ruqez5t+qj9Bfy8x9U7dJN0i0OmK5iY9iswoKwUIoSiM1PUOSq0ypnuyQBGQuISgpJCYiSmp2lVqbhKlx5hJlIlKr1yp96FDVcEqBkLSvQ/sx/c2vub/APly88BR19nVT8G15xk34FTk6Kh2Dd5XsatWdcGTWxOmUq9QtG/piiYBaHEEiIOon4Jlnu1rcZZVaXh8NaMy4RJUtW8g5n7vDU0dlkRmuWT+kbJC3E9v4tOpAcaTi0zIkDL3rc2XtlFzGWcsxN3zH4yBkIAjx+KxLHahREljQ7gI5jUlaH3S6iWVmTuyRj/he7tCOilvZVGtbrgfQtzzTdhAdM+zTIxF3eBIWjZLTkS4n8WrSAkycMlwn3Kzbq4teE03DtUQaka5ZYSRoVj2Kxv3uCplu8NRpGjgOxn1ErOXYQ6VgHtk/wDaa/H8U6cdFPcd41KzXUXPFAuZJYGioXtEzhdGRE5j/gVdpqBNsqQ4hoe+Y4yAGjxQxUvJ9Kq0tydTcCD1HyIJ8V6+DGnBHFlk1Jl68rNXplwDj2H4D3xI4SAQDHcqFnvWvSPYc4ZyWzlP8pyRJ6Sa1SqRxoBzv5mYSD5DxWRUpNdwXSqapmW1tFWtfDj+Uhx1I+Sbd9B7jiMtaOWp/wAKdzAHAcCPgcvirJqiEJJKkhNtu2bV2XM+oyo7G0bsiQ5vDDiMkHLwUFIAiRoVUt20BZvgyPxWtcehcyHR7ys66rYS8AZScxw/xksZ4r2i4zrQQCmFlhsEjkVq5KjWYMZ8VhHRqzmNUrWpKbVM1qYiPCuwqbCuDUhkeFLhToPJLuzySGNNkH+9S8SoatiH+9S8XfRCIxe0UkO9orp8P9MOf8Cc2aD+9p+J+i51I/7lP+5DGE8yuwHmn4f6LmERb/Gz+5NP87fELA3fUpN31KfiXsOZviqB+ZviEvpI9pqH92prNQBcJSeJex82b7Ksj1h4JHu6qoOiWSsaNLLEdVr3Fe4otqNJP4kDp71ghy5ju03+YfFS42hxdMM7NZaVOamUg5HTIjgFc+6i6qCHAmpDafcQTmPFY5tU1cThipMGEnhJ4qB15udVDmkgNPZjhHJcDizrtFt91VKVVzHkTxkyD3Fb1C/jTs9em5mJtUYWknJpAifIR3BYl4guIIcXkxJ4CeKlsLQ927qOgAyHHQngHdFLf2Ol0F+wNrpsY0H16kFx54nOaPktm9KTWnedHM8XD5jzXnVK1up1XhpAw0+GnZdiEIyt15NdQcSZEgnlBAf9VL9Au7PJ7/vmk6pWex+e9yBDgSM89IjXU8kLXjVl8jiAfJbtuq2E75zJBJ/DbhcMpAMe6TnyCHqwzX0GFJJJaPNyNthFdF+Ddv3hdjLA1rhyaQ3C48sEjLkFVdj4CVUs93VMAcGuwkHPDlrzURqlp18DklSt0SXGhx1yM8QdOajLHk8h1P6KdRrlzXZZgD4QMlQqViT38E1diY63VRkBnzPMCAFo7PWlrampxuGFuUgCJOfuWK4ZrRue0tpvzEl0BuQJB59FUl+NAuwmdbajhBd5AJGSDM5qsKxk5cVbpGVxG5ZbXfEYvglbTKVjVOxqQyPAU5tOFLhTg1Fioh3Hel3SlhdhTsKPOIKUNKi3juZXY3cyu2jnsmwHku3Z5KKTzKTPmUUMsbsrt2VXwnmu3aKAs7tSWeA6SQqW7Simk4hZr+lM9pIbYz2llbpdgCz8cSuTNT05nPyTqdoa4iOaygwLWsNITTA4ub8VM4xiiottm7aq2GmGA6nE4deCv2Ci11IAPEzmAM45lV6TmNtJxiWjEP8AyjIrPoWlzamJonCTI6SvN42qOy6YXWW7hGAOhzW4gQfWE5+SzhZWOeQ9zszkPmVJ98sEPpAyWxUHAHTLxSWShVwC0NLXtBwkOPIcQsEmts1tFFpio+NCCB4x8kRULWDRLTmDTpz11afJCrqgLupJV19sFKkXOOQaMugMq3FuqIUkgWv2x021XYG4RynLXQA6c1h1RK2b+q4nEnjnGWU/rnwWNTpYpng1x8B9V7uNPirPOn3oKbirPNLs2uCP+k57hPdiGHnqq142G0H1mMf1ZunnPtTNM6rMu98CcvepLa7MHISNGn3LOqkO9HQ7MCmWF2WAB2cZxnnyTW2Gq0yQKQPtENOXfmpKNocaZzcSCYM5jIdVnYjqc+9aL7JI3HtHOc9ea07jANQyB6uUjkQclmtiTPuVy7nw8R3JzX4sE9hG9mat2ds6Kk8HEA7Ccgey4OEETqDqt67azWtzpMd1cT8lxVRtZE1ilCvttTMv2en4uT226l/9al4uSAzwlKtlzCf3bB3SkJbPqN81JRUXK3LfYZ4JZb7DPBMDyqEsJu/dyHgl3zungu+mcw4BLhTN67ml3juaVAPDCu3Z5KMudzKSXcyihku6KXdFQ4TzSYEUBY3fcuw9R4qDAuFNFATQOYV2hbGNw9r1Y8lmimEuAKZRT7GnQSv2jpF7nwZdrAy9yjF/UhMFwnXIIewJcCx/zwL8sghsV8AnBTY9xeYgESenREou19Mta52Gm7WTOF0ZgjjCFtkrcaNR/ZlrmYXcwJBke9bVvvF1Z4IBIboOvNcmeKUqidOJ2rYx7Q0nPpKztobU3DTY6Yc9odGuEHtR1zC1KRc8Q7LDOHlIzIKw76uyo+owgCIJzOkGc/JLBXNWLJfF0X9qbRZnOhlAUy+nTzxEhpEhzu8wCUNWWzS15JgQRl0IPyCnvZ5JaT7PzKY0xRHMnTiR+oXoq0jk+y7dlFppNc5ogOh2cuiCQcGsHn0KpXhhnsiB/laAs+ERA7ORJIwyZPrDKAB5qvarMMRA4H+EZQknuxvorWcjdu5yfDCqbG+atbggZEwddFzaIH+TJ9wC0smiqaXMwSYHKOa1aN27sY3OaQBIa0mZOTZ4DxWfa25fry6LhUJ4mMsuCbtoRtWZ8YZ4taR3ELYpWrqhevanSw/9tnk3orFK3nkVhKGy0wrp2tSi0hCzby71KL0HNRwK5BS20J4rIZp3qOalbe45qXAfIId+u3ywvvYc0n3uP0UuDDkCICWE8VG8ilFUez5rr2ZEcJcKfvv4fNdvzwaEbAZhXYVK0VDoz/1U9O77S7Smf7UrHRTwpQ0rSZcNqP5YUx2TtnBs9xU84+0Pi/Rkbspd0UUbKbH76sWWjG2BpMT70WjYOxMqhpEg5ZklYz+TCD4mkcMpKzyrdFOFmPJe72b7P7FT7QptPESJWnZbLZak0zTaCNMh5LOXyq6RSw2fPlO66jtGOPuKjr2QsMPlp6gr6DfdLKbowjoYQ7tjsgy00iWgB7dCER+TvaB4vR5Lddvp0nEuzBEQO9a9Da6kwGGHPXRDlqsZpuLXCC0wVFhXRLDCe2ZrJKOkEv8Aq+lwonn6x1VettSw5ijB543LCwroQsGNfQPJJmhezeyw82kqNxc1lMwC1pBgxrA+SOKGzpbZqNoeKPapjCagNQkOAcDuz2QRlrOmiDr8srWPY0OxAgunIanIQMgnGSekOWOUVbIa9ua9jWtBEyHHPOSdT/KGjKNFJWtbZPaHrTm3PMRmeaotfLugB+nzTaus8hC04ozsmc8c2+B5pG1xz8AFUISYIVcSSUuBkcJykzA5J1BpjyHXuSWduIxzRLd11UHQC5+OAQQYLTlEdymU0uy443LoxbDUkYeSuNaqtWzllR4JEhxGWXHX36+9TsqLOXdoaXsk3XQJdwOIK5lRSios7ZVIj3DeR8E02dv6CsBycCErYUVjZ2c13ozVbICWAjkwpBbdH2PNexjqlR3aAJAga5o1uv7GLC0AvYX/AMzj8EXXNZg7OAGtyAGk/QLcCjBjnlXKUtBlmoPjFAO/7LLvA/cM8FWd9mlk/wCm0NPLUI8tDJCxLTRc0yOCxzLxsrFJyBg7FMZq0eCY+4Y0aPcEW07WKgIOoQvfl7mzP6LCTVWjeN9MousLRqE6lRaCk/1FRqa8VZoWJtUSwrPkXRJRNOc2iecKC3XaXuloUv3e9pEic+C3WV2taO5TLZS0V7EwilD+CDr52gpUqktPaBRpWtgLSOi8Y2kEV3x7RTj+WhPWz0y59o2WtkD12q3iiQV51sFaSLSAOKKdsbU+m9pblKq+Lpi7VgD9o9xllXeCMLteiCsI5jxR3tFWdVpnEZXn5pr1PjS5Rr0ceWNMk7PP4pcbefkosCXAF00jIJbZtq6tTpUqn7ukwMAAiYaGyesALFtVs7YLRAaIE8jz9yqhivXuwCBy481CjGL0aOcpKmQ06pOcD/Cr16gnIxzCt024We4nx/QVDckzCuNWZsZikqQgRrJUQYngK2IfRfDh3hbjrY9rS3KT+bjhyy8kPvW7aKgcMh4FY5Po0hJqyk55PFKHpwpppYpsB7ayf6QoMK4NSpBZZFpThalVLUkFFILLnpaX0tUoSyjigtn1ZclfCyCthtSUJU7bAiVq2G3S1ed8f5TiuJtmwW+RtBUb0ZDSVPQrqnelqAC7M+SMsX9OfFF80BNrvg035c0P7e1zUYx4V/aFmZKzbzdisZnUD4Lx4yPTaB7Z+v24dxXot01WsyC8qsRIcD1RlSvI5dyqa2KHWw9oWoEwsq97SW6KndFsLnZrQvGx4hKkoy6dqJQbtJc9Q1C8Nlp4o1sVkcTEZK/Xusbt08kRbTtBJXo862WsuCux0wjDbOzF7GuaMUcs+C86t9VzKjgDGFx+KNdiL8c8FlTtRoStJJ/syItdA+663vaQRkge+LmfReRBjgV6btBbHMqkNyCD9piXUiSun42XjKvZllhaBLdFdg6jxUOFJgXrUcRboUgXASJJW1fNxODWvLmuECYnSY7pyPFZFytcK7CzJzTiBgGIE6HL/lEV87QuqSaraNQ9kB27ax78syTSwjSMyJyCiSdqil0YFoEgxxValaMB0kqW2Wym8jAw0xGYxl4LuYkAgdM1WqMM58dFaXskgnMqTAnWjPhpkSOmvekaRGZGXfKsQyo1W2TGZSFtP8uN2moDRPHISYUu4OvzWcn9DRzXnmlNQpBQKd6O7ks9FHB/QJ4qfwjxTN24cCm4kqAmxjkuxN5FRB6XElQ7JMTeRXY29VFiXYkUFnud41y15EqS777c0KpWbvGhwOY1T7PZcl89FUeo9m7Zb+eU287xfhzWWzsZqtel7gtha23omkina7VjOarW4xQI5qvTJe6BxTto7RgY1nFKirMOyWaXAdUWm6HBoMLK2UsW9qjkMyvU2WduGDGidNsTaSBa5qJxDJFLrKIzWPbLXSs5JLhkh28dvsctp5qkQw3ZUps5BYd8bU0mAtBkoJrXjWqes4gKvUqUqebnCepTpvQaWyGvYt7UL49Yyt24mss5xPIAQnbds6bcmeSHbdtO6pxdHguiPxsk+9GcssYhrtNf1E1C5pQbet+GoMIGSyX20HUE95KYbXyaPiu3H8VQ2c08rkJgKUUyk9Kd0HcAkNofzXXTMTVu6765pVX06VR7RhFSoxjiGM1cCRk2cszwVC22iT9de8rbu20mlYnukh1R+EEHMRmYOo9VYNe1OOpJ455/FKL2N6RHRpgnh71PhaPzN8yqxz6dyTCqeyS1babm4ZaWtLZbLSAQZMgnXWVTcFv22s8U2NLiQAMiZGkaHJZNarJMtbmeUfDRKMrG0NZWAAEE+9S/eJ4AKuVyGkBMbwf0HuTTbKh4lRrkUgsmoAuOZKt7sKtZDn7lbDh1Wc+xoaGJd2E7EF0hRsYzdhduwn5c13vQB7DdLHtMxIOoW+LNlI8FTu6GtzUtptPsnNeAeoUbypujQ+CHjYKzzDWnv0C07ftw+g8MqUw4Hior22prbvFSYIPHkrTqv6DVjwadjplzyC+NPkEFWy83Vqhc7joOQVOvbqlWpNRxJnQ6D3Ka0U8JBW/BRe+zNy1oJdnXVGHE0xKIaluqO/MUL3FWJRTZWZZrCWmXF2jPt93bxji4lxQvYKu6xAicyj59QAERkgW9WRVdHNXj3ometkFptL3A8O5BVvrvLiHE5FG0IUv6y4XzwK9H41KVHLltoycKWEuFcGdV32cogSKZlCeCk9DOsDxStDKhXBWdz3Jd2jkBu07Jis1BhPrOJygQCM556jPqh22tAe4CSATE6xwlEzpayl/SmOUktHv7AQu8y7vJ8JWeN22VIbhSsZJHerAHISpKLTiHDMeRWnIk1bRQFSrSpsBLnuY3SAC5waIMydVm3ndm7e4BwcA4gEAiQCRMdUTbJ0WPtNOtUqS4b6oKbS3EG0KT6jS+NO01uSw7yBLo6ZrJOnRdaMnc9Eu67lYNPqmlg5jzWnIgiFLqEopqQt5Z+5WrNddV/q03HrGXik5JDqytTYpQFuWfY20ESQxs8Cc/JaNHY0T26mXJoHzWEssS1BgmAuRoNkaPtP8AJO/0nR5u/u/wp80SvGwIDCl3ZRs3ZSj7TvEfRP8A9L0ebv7h9EvMg8bC/eyeKX1XA8FEK8sBHIFPpNL4krxj0LMTbuxS0VBwUGzVrxswnkiS/wCxTZ3DogPZysW1Y6p1eNr0NOpIq31ZTTrnqVctVLFRDuIWjtlYxDXqnc5x03NPJac7hGXonjtoTZ+r2wOaP7PZiBK80sTsFTuK9SumtipjuRkW7JxvVCehkhBe0tjwvnmvRqbOCwNsLtG6J5ZpQ0xy2gBIUt6Xgw2J1B9MHtF7an5mmNAmtOSjtFLE0jou2MqZzNaA4U+iTCrW5iehSCQdf13Fd9nNRWI70gCtOcTxPgB8F27HH4p2IhaI4rhTz116FWqVAO0a33kqez2EYhwzGnQqWxpFq8mhu9bP7tsD/wAYA8yhmjSJMngiXaEONSsxpAmoS5x1gF0NHSR5BMufZOrUHrsg88RPwRCSjGypK3RksjRPoBgdLyQ3OSBJEjgJzRY3YZgGJ9V3c1oHmSVPZrlszIOBzyCCMbpEjQxoo8sUPgzE2WY1lW0PEkNstUZtwn8XBSBg6euqLruq1XnBTe48IaT5wj+y1Bic6M3wHHi4NiATxiB4Ke8dp2WduTCTGWiyeZt6RaxqtgTZ9hLa/M0wwc3vaPLVWrRszZ7OJr1w4j8lPn3lVL121tNckB2EcgsuhddWsfWGfMn6LT83+zoVJdIMLsNjwg06bSeb83K9UvB4EAZdAhazbJ1m5iq0eK2LLQq0/WqB3u/yueaX07LTLL7wfrBnuKqG9XzB98q9VdUf+YAcoWc+yP8Aaae8KAHC9nEk8Bomm93clRtdB7fZj3rPda41HgVajYG469nJv3q9Y7LUDzT/AEhHFis//9k=[/img]
Van

Aesir

Yes, I know the singular of Aesir is "Ass."

-Username17

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:49 pm

Technically it's Aes, pronounced "Ace," but whatever.

Yeah, they're tying in AoS to the events of the Thor movie in an effort to connect it to the wider Marvel cinematic universe. Ward still bores me, but I like the rest of the crew. Ward is just a bland copy of "uptight, super professional fed, with a heart of gold kept hidden." It was boring when Bones did it with Booth, it's boring now. Coulsen is the same arcehtype, but played eccentrically, so it works. (And Coulsen bored the fuck out of me too until Avengers)

It looks like that's literally what they're going for with Ward, what with the other characters making fun of it. It'd be nice if the character got killed off, but I doubt that will happen. It'd be really nice if he'd actually drop his demeanor and connect with the people he's stuck on a plane with and join the new Whedon family. Even Simon on Firefly was a fucking person. Ward isn't even a robot, he has no personality.

It's nice that they're going to start humanizing May, but she started out with pathos that they can elaborate on, Ward didn't really. Oh, I guess he accidentally killed his brother, or something. uhm. Kay, whatever.

I'm sticking with AoS because, honestly, I don't demand a lot from my entertainment. Usually I'm multitasking anyway.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:53 pm

Prak_Anima wrote: I'm sticking with AoS because, honestly, I don't demand a lot from my entertainment. Usually I'm multitasking anyway.

Pretty much the same here. I was waiting for feedback on a project, and its fucking cold and wet out, so it seems a good day to catch up.

Skye fucking annoys me though, partly for the giberrish backstory, parlty for the bullshit hacker propaganda, but mostly because they're apparently setting her up as the Character That Can Do No Wrong, despite spending almost all of episode nine judging the living shit out of May and then trying to buddy up like nothing happened. And even hacking into SHIELD Headquarters systems got a pass, but I admit to not even vaguely paying attention by the end of that episode.

Ward doesn't even annoy me at this point, since he just stands around like a lump until someone presses the action button. And then half the time gets outshined by May or Coulson anyway.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:11 am

I'm watching AoS because I need a show that I can look forward to and watch weekly while waiting for the next season of Doctor Who or for Hasbro to make an interesting Transformers show again.

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:41 am

I'm pretty sure the Asgardians were written as sufficiently advanced aliens in some of the comics, but I haven't really kept current.

Voss wrote:I could also rant about how badly they handled berserker stories as well (magic artifact did it!) but what would be the point?

Did they claim that every berserker was powered by the staff? I got the impression that they were only talking about him or his platoon.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:51 pm

If by platoon, you mean 'army,' then...maybe? They don't really leave a lot of space to talk about anything, but the impression I got is all berserkers came from the staff-influenced alien space army and in the Marvel Movie-verse there weren't any human berserkers prior to people fondling that one guy's rod. And none after he hid it, until the cult of racist rightwing norwegians found it by way of poetry and plot-forcing.

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:45 am

I rewatched the original Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer today. It's pretty awful.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:38 am

I know I'm late on hating on Agents of SHIELD, but I gotta say, I'm flatly against cutting May any slack while dogpiling upon Ward, an activity which seems fashionable upon many parts of the internet. Both characters are painfully and roughly equally generic. In fact, if I have an overarching complaint about the show's central cast, it's that they apparently decided that they needed to split The Muscle and The Brain into four different characters so they can talk to themselves about their work. They even fucking lampshaded it with the science dorks.

Meikle641 · Post by **Meikle641** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:27 pm

Maj wrote:I rewatched the original Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer today. It's pretty awful.

"Bumbles bounce!"

JonSetanta · Post by **JonSetanta** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:33 pm

I discovered an 80s cartoon called "C.O.P.S. the animated series."

The intro was lavish and caught my interest.

The actual show, however, was dull with obnoxious voice acting and little plot.

Meikle641 · Post by **Meikle641** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:44 am

I thoroughly enjoyed C.O.P.S. as a kid. Almost never got to watch it. "It's criiiiime fighting tiiiiime."

JonSetanta · Post by **JonSetanta** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:26 am

Meikle641 wrote:I thoroughly enjoyed C.O.P.S. as a kid. Almost never got to watch it. "It's criiiiime fighting tiiiiime."

Fighting crime... in a future time.

A friend did a Shadowrun 2e one shot based on the show intro.
No one caught on.
He showed me the intro, and I laughed.

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:03 pm

Apparently, I'm continuing my streak of liking movies that are failures. I just watched Rise of the Guardians and quite enjoyed it.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:29 pm

Whipstitch wrote:I know I'm late on hating on Agents of SHIELD, but I gotta say, I'm flatly against cutting May any slack while dogpiling upon Ward, an activity which seems fashionable upon many parts of the internet. Both characters are painfully and roughly equally generic. In fact, if I have an overarching complaint about the show's central cast, it's that they apparently decided that they needed to split The Muscle and The Brain into four different characters so they can talk to themselves about their work. They even fucking lampshaded it with the science dorks.

I'm ok with May because they're actually expanding her character a bit now. Ward they tried to expand but just doubled down on "generic spy guy, gruff and antisocial. Oh look, now he has a tragic past!" Sorry, AoS, Burn Notice got there first with a more likable character.

Maj: Rise of the Guardians was pretty good.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:28 pm

Okay, I live under a rock and I'm relentlessly out of touch and uncool. So, pardon me for asking this question:

WTF is Duck Dynasty and why should I care? I've had this show come up in RL and Internet conservations and apparently it's a front in the American culture war or some shit. I mean, what? It just looked to me like some interminable reality show.

Post by **fbmf** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:57 pm

For Lago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Dynasty

Game On,
fbmf

erik · Post by **erik** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:31 am

On the one hand, fine, if someone says something bigoted yes, a company is going to want to distance themselves from that because A) it could hurt their bottom line, and B) they don't want to also be assholes. Haha, just kidding they only care about 'A'.

On the other hand, was anyone fucking surprised that a stereotypical entitled hillbilly acted like a stereotypical entitled hillbilly- especially people who watch the show?

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:18 am

erik wrote:On the other hand, was anyone fucking surprised that a stereotypical entitled hillbilly acted like a stereotypical entitled hillbilly- especially people who watch the show?

This is the epitome of perfect.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:47 am

Point of correction:

He is not a hillbilly.

Louisiana is roughly as flat as Kansas, and much more soggy.

I'd call him a hick.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:30 am

erik wrote:On the one hand, fine, if someone says something bigoted yes, a company is going to want to distance themselves from that because A) it could hurt their bottom line, and B) they don't want to also be assholes. Haha, just kidding they only care about 'A'.

On the other hand, was anyone fucking surprised that a stereotypical entitled hillbilly acted like a stereotypical entitled hillbilly- especially people who watch the show?

Duck Dynasty is a scripted show with exaggerated personas

The personas the Robertson family takes on for A&E's Duck Dynasty are not who they are in real life. They are indeed duck hunting enthusiasts, but they purposefully take on "redneck" personas to promote their reality TV show. Here's what the Robertsons looked like before they did the show:

The Robertson brothers enjoy a round of golfing

Jase Robertson with his family at the beach

Jep Robertson with his family at the beach

Willie Robertson at the beach with his family (not pictured is his adopted Asian kid)

Lousiana Tech graduate Phil Robertson was a football star

Phil Robertson is a millionaire and gave his children an upper class upbringing. He's a good businessman, and knows how to sell an image. His statement made to GQ is just part of that stereotypical redneck image he sells. In reality, Phil Robertson has worked alongside gay* men without any friction, such as in creating A&E's Duck Dynasty TV series.

Meet Duck Dynasty co-creator Scott Gurney, 'gay porn' actor

Robert Gurney stars in "The Fluffer" (2001)

So when we look at the Phil Robertson controversy, it's not about Phil Robertson the person, it's about the redneck persona he's cultivated to sell his products and his show. His controversial interview with GQ was just another element of promoting the show. It has been wildly successfuly because this is the only reason I'm even answering a question about this show I've never heard of.

*To clarify, Robert Gurney played a 'gay for pay' character in an erotic film. I'm not entirely sure what his actual sexual orientation is.

**I'm kinda surprised there's not as much a controversy over what Phil said about Black people in the same interview:

I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field .... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word! ... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.
-Phil Robertson, on how happy African-Americans were before the Civil Rights movement