Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:47 am
Again, this is for newbies and lurkers still holding out hope that the Den can be salvaged...
Don't be fooled. This is the Den's old boys club trying to nurse each other's fragile egos. Its really sad when three grown men feel the need to repeat and reinforce each other's points because of how impotent they really are. In other forums, such as reddit, such activity would be called "brigading" and is frowned upon because it allows a few posters to seem more numerous/popular than they really are.
Anyway, a bit of background: When I left the Den I discovered that my particular brand of posting was in fact fully capable of creating a following. In some respects it was larger and wider than Frank's cult of personality ever was. Indeed, until I largely quit social media complete strangers were PMing me and asking me to keep on posting. Funnily, most of these guys were people asking me to post in favor of left-wing progressive narratives.
And yes, I do have a very self-confident tone that rubs some people the wrong way.
Here's the thing though: I have single posts in some gaming forums where I have more net upvotes than the Den gets posts in an entire month.
Hell, I have a throwaway one-paragraph anime review that had more upvotes than the Den gets post in a single month. And that particular review was running contrary to most viewer sentiments (I loved the ending whereas most people hated it; and I changed so many minds that a Youtube video literally plagiarized my review word for word).
And that's because what people consistently like about my posts is their clarity. I can explain in very simple terms what is actually happening in what seems to be a complicated situation. That's why I was able to explain a complicated ending in simple terms and change people's minds about it. This more than makes up for the self-confident tone which, I might note, doesn't actually off-put at many people as the posts here imply. It turns out most people don't have crippling insecurity and can handle the truth.
So this whole idea that I have no worth, no value, and no communication skills, and I'm just an asshole? This is again just fanfiction by jealous old men. I know where I've been and what I've done. And I haven't even touched on successes in my personal or professional life - forum-posting for me is just a hobby.
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So let me exercise my skills and get to the real heart of the issue.
The old boys club isn't mad because I'm insulting them.
They're mad because I am cutting through all of their propaganda, manipulation, and bullshit. And describing to people what The Den really is.
Because contrary to the fanfiction they created, the Den is NOT special in a good way. It is not that the Den is right and the rest of the Internet is wrong.
The Den is instead a closed-off community of sad old men jerking off to each other.
I know this because I've been to other forums and have seen how they view the Den. And the vast majority of people have no clue what it is, and the small minority which does tends to have a negative opinion of it.
More importantly, the only members of the Den to get any kind of recognition outside here is Frank and K. Indeed, it was in other forums that I learned that K did the lion's share of the work in the Tome series.
By contrast, all of the guys attacking me now?
No one knows them outside of the Den.
Why would that be the case if, as the old boys club is now insisting, they've totally changed and are now welcoming to new members?
Hell, a couple of the people here were in fact very active in driving out Frank - one of the site's oldest members - and yet now they expect us to believe that they are welcoming?
Indeed, given how much these folks are bad-mouthing Frank and blaming him for all the site's ills - when the site blew up again even without Frank leading to the ban of all political discussions - why should anyone believe them?
It's just sad old people playing forum politics - trying to steal credit from others, and then scapegoating others rather than accept blame. Its consistently the behavior of insecure man-children.
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And the most ironic and hilarious thing about all this?
The primary demographic that uses the same language and debating tactics as these losers are literally die-hard MAGA supporters. The very demographic they claim to be fighting.
Which, I might note, is the demographic I tend to argue the most with these days. Because what they absolutely hate more than anything is a speaker who can explain why they are wrong in simple terms. Because while the die-hard MAGAs will never change their minds, stomp their feet, and try to demonize the speaker, most of the people in the sidelines end up realizing their error and stop wasting their time supporting a shitty cause.
My posts here are no different from my anti-MAGA posts. It's not meant to save shitty die-hards. It's instead meant to tell bystanders what the MAGA cult are really offering and how it's a complete waste of time.
The only difference between the Den's old boys club and the MAGA cult? The Den's cult has already consumed its own original leadership.
That's why none of this "ableist" discussion is genuine. Its just a new imaginary battle line they're drawing so they have an excuse to exclude whomever new enemy they invent to justify the existence of their cult. Just as how Trump pretty much lies all the time and shifts the blame to new targets without rhyme or reason, the Den's anti-ableist rhetoric is just a bunch of bad actors using identity politics tactics to manipulate people into supporting their cause.
And yet that's not even the saddest thing about this entire situation.
Let's be generous: Let's say the old boys club try to restrain their asshole tendencies with their virtue-signalling exercise of the week. They actually genuinely try to be nice for once.
What then do they actually have to offer new members?
The answer, quite simply, is nothing.
They don't even have the limited design and posting talent of Frank. That's why no one knows any of them outside of The Den.
Worse, rather than admit to these problems, witness this entire thread for yet another dose of sad old men self-rationalizing their own imagined virtues.
That is really at the heart of why garbage people remain garbage people. They are not honest to themselves. That's why they keep trying to "win" pointless arguments. That's why they keep framing discussions to belittle other people's accomplishments, but shy away from discussing their own. That is why I have no doubt they'll completely avoid any honest engagement with this post. They'll try to evade, they'll try to distract. They'll do anything to avoid having to be honest with themselves.
Don't waste your time on people like these. You won't gain anything.
Or don't. Its your time to waste.
Don't be fooled. This is the Den's old boys club trying to nurse each other's fragile egos. Its really sad when three grown men feel the need to repeat and reinforce each other's points because of how impotent they really are. In other forums, such as reddit, such activity would be called "brigading" and is frowned upon because it allows a few posters to seem more numerous/popular than they really are.
Anyway, a bit of background: When I left the Den I discovered that my particular brand of posting was in fact fully capable of creating a following. In some respects it was larger and wider than Frank's cult of personality ever was. Indeed, until I largely quit social media complete strangers were PMing me and asking me to keep on posting. Funnily, most of these guys were people asking me to post in favor of left-wing progressive narratives.
And yes, I do have a very self-confident tone that rubs some people the wrong way.
Here's the thing though: I have single posts in some gaming forums where I have more net upvotes than the Den gets posts in an entire month.
Hell, I have a throwaway one-paragraph anime review that had more upvotes than the Den gets post in a single month. And that particular review was running contrary to most viewer sentiments (I loved the ending whereas most people hated it; and I changed so many minds that a Youtube video literally plagiarized my review word for word).
And that's because what people consistently like about my posts is their clarity. I can explain in very simple terms what is actually happening in what seems to be a complicated situation. That's why I was able to explain a complicated ending in simple terms and change people's minds about it. This more than makes up for the self-confident tone which, I might note, doesn't actually off-put at many people as the posts here imply. It turns out most people don't have crippling insecurity and can handle the truth.
So this whole idea that I have no worth, no value, and no communication skills, and I'm just an asshole? This is again just fanfiction by jealous old men. I know where I've been and what I've done. And I haven't even touched on successes in my personal or professional life - forum-posting for me is just a hobby.
====
So let me exercise my skills and get to the real heart of the issue.
The old boys club isn't mad because I'm insulting them.
They're mad because I am cutting through all of their propaganda, manipulation, and bullshit. And describing to people what The Den really is.
Because contrary to the fanfiction they created, the Den is NOT special in a good way. It is not that the Den is right and the rest of the Internet is wrong.
The Den is instead a closed-off community of sad old men jerking off to each other.
I know this because I've been to other forums and have seen how they view the Den. And the vast majority of people have no clue what it is, and the small minority which does tends to have a negative opinion of it.
More importantly, the only members of the Den to get any kind of recognition outside here is Frank and K. Indeed, it was in other forums that I learned that K did the lion's share of the work in the Tome series.
By contrast, all of the guys attacking me now?
No one knows them outside of the Den.
Why would that be the case if, as the old boys club is now insisting, they've totally changed and are now welcoming to new members?
Hell, a couple of the people here were in fact very active in driving out Frank - one of the site's oldest members - and yet now they expect us to believe that they are welcoming?
Indeed, given how much these folks are bad-mouthing Frank and blaming him for all the site's ills - when the site blew up again even without Frank leading to the ban of all political discussions - why should anyone believe them?
It's just sad old people playing forum politics - trying to steal credit from others, and then scapegoating others rather than accept blame. Its consistently the behavior of insecure man-children.
===
And the most ironic and hilarious thing about all this?
The primary demographic that uses the same language and debating tactics as these losers are literally die-hard MAGA supporters. The very demographic they claim to be fighting.
Which, I might note, is the demographic I tend to argue the most with these days. Because what they absolutely hate more than anything is a speaker who can explain why they are wrong in simple terms. Because while the die-hard MAGAs will never change their minds, stomp their feet, and try to demonize the speaker, most of the people in the sidelines end up realizing their error and stop wasting their time supporting a shitty cause.
My posts here are no different from my anti-MAGA posts. It's not meant to save shitty die-hards. It's instead meant to tell bystanders what the MAGA cult are really offering and how it's a complete waste of time.
The only difference between the Den's old boys club and the MAGA cult? The Den's cult has already consumed its own original leadership.
That's why none of this "ableist" discussion is genuine. Its just a new imaginary battle line they're drawing so they have an excuse to exclude whomever new enemy they invent to justify the existence of their cult. Just as how Trump pretty much lies all the time and shifts the blame to new targets without rhyme or reason, the Den's anti-ableist rhetoric is just a bunch of bad actors using identity politics tactics to manipulate people into supporting their cause.
And yet that's not even the saddest thing about this entire situation.
Let's be generous: Let's say the old boys club try to restrain their asshole tendencies with their virtue-signalling exercise of the week. They actually genuinely try to be nice for once.
What then do they actually have to offer new members?
The answer, quite simply, is nothing.
They don't even have the limited design and posting talent of Frank. That's why no one knows any of them outside of The Den.
Worse, rather than admit to these problems, witness this entire thread for yet another dose of sad old men self-rationalizing their own imagined virtues.
That is really at the heart of why garbage people remain garbage people. They are not honest to themselves. That's why they keep trying to "win" pointless arguments. That's why they keep framing discussions to belittle other people's accomplishments, but shy away from discussing their own. That is why I have no doubt they'll completely avoid any honest engagement with this post. They'll try to evade, they'll try to distract. They'll do anything to avoid having to be honest with themselves.
Don't waste your time on people like these. You won't gain anything.
Or don't. Its your time to waste.