Wizards of the Hypocritical Coast--Boobs Edition

[Mask_De_H]

Corporations are scummy, something something Madonna/Whore complex something something fuck WotC.

She could honestly make more money just doing OnlyFans stuff than fucking with WotC, why does it matter if she gets deplatformed by WotC? Big corporations don't matter once you've gotten your clout and optics from them.

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

Well, the first one is a visual depiction of a humanoid, but non-human creature with a healthy amount of visual coverage of both her female-presenting nipples and slimy fish pussy. The second one is a visual depiction of a real human woman just barely covering her boobs and the only thing stopping you from seeing her pussy is an uncomfortable amount of glitter.
They look different to me. Now, I don't have a problem with sexy trading cards, but I also don't work at WOTC.

[buddy bradley]

Wizards of the Coasts lost the plot a long time ago. Anyone who supports that company is an idiot, or a FASCIST (seeing as how no one on this site knows what fascism actually is).

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

Anyone who supports that company is an idiot, or a FASCIST.

That's a line I can parrot!

[Prak]

Corporations are scummy, something something Madonna/Whore complex something something fuck WotC.

She could honestly make more money just doing OnlyFans stuff than fucking with WotC, why does it matter if she gets deplatformed by WotC? Big corporations don't matter once you've gotten your clout and optics from them.

Magic is a passion for her, as I understand it. It's not really about whether WotC's censure of her will financially impact her (and I'd bet she actually sees a small boost in OF subs over this), the todo is about the message and the treatment of women.

[Thaluikhain]

Wait, I'm seriously supposed to think that Bane Alley Broker is risque in any way? I've seen more revealing clothing at the mall. Good lord.

Yeah, is there something I'm also missing there?

Personally I think the naked fish woman not quite showing her bits is less sexual due to being a drawn fish woman not a photo of a real mammal woman, might just be me.

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

Do naked fish women lactate?

[Thaluikhain]

Do naked fish women lactate?

Well, she might technically be a cetacean rather than a fish, but I'm reliably informed that telling a mermaid she's a whale doesn't go down well. And "no, I meant, like, you have boobs and I want to know if I can milk you" sounds like a better pick-up line than it is.

[Orca]

What does being in the Magic Creator Program actually mean? I'm not a MtG player, I haven't ever heard of it.

[Prak]

Like, yeah, it's purely a performative thing, on WotC's part. But it's performing sexism and hypocrisy.

To be fair, you made a completely wild guess as to the specific reason WotC sent her that email. Personally, I'd bet on it being one of her YouTube videos, likely "Boycotting No Nut November!! ASMR"

Which, by the way, is in the same account as all her archived MtG streams, and is linked from her Twitch account.

I wouldn't call it a wild guess, especially given that Loading Ready Run has made plenty of no nut November and more explicit jokes in their content on the same channel as a lot of magic content they do. In fact, they are regularly profane and have a couple of weeb crew members who will make semi frequent less than oblique jokes referencing hentai (which I'm not objecting to, those are things I love about LRR).

In fact, the most recent, most peculiar piece is her card.

It would seem that she guesses the card is the reason, too-

Wait, I'm seriously supposed to think that Bane Alley Broker is risque in any way? I've seen more revealing clothing at the mall. Good lord.

Yeah, is there something I'm also missing there?

Personally I think the naked fish woman not quite showing her bits is less sexual due to being a drawn fish woman not a photo of a real mammal woman, might just be me.

WotC censured Lizbeth Eden for "sexualizing magic." Bane Alley Broker, while not particularly explicit, has ridiculous cleavage that serves no purposed but to titillate, ie, to be sexualized.

What does being in the Magic Creator Program actually mean? I'm not a MtG player, I haven't ever heard of it.

It's an affiliate program for Arena streamers. I think streamers get some in-game currency and some promotion out of it, and WotC gets promotion with 0 effort.

[Leress]

What does being in the Magic Creator Program actually mean? I'm not a MtG player, I haven't ever heard of it.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/a ... 2020-01-23

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

Bane Alley Broker, while not particularly explicit, has ridiculous cleavage that serves no purposed but to titillate, ie, to be sexualized.

Wow, Prak, maybe it's hot outside and she doesn't want her chest to get all uncomfortable and sweaty. Some chicks just have ridiculous cleavage and sexualizing them for it is bad or something.

[hyzmarca]

I'm asserting that it is hypocritical of WotC to censure a woman who happens to make money with bra and panty photos completely separate from her Magic content, while also using cheesecake pictures of women, primarily drawn by men, in their cards to sell their products.

When men sell images of naked women for money, it's art. When women sell images of themselves for money, it's pornography. Everyone knows that.

I'm not strictly opposed to more sexualized images in Magic: the Gathering, but it's not necessarily something to be desired. If people can't play the game in public because the cards are considered 'indecent' by teachers and parents, that's a problem.

If a teacher or a parent objects to you doing something in public because they feel it is indecent, there's a universal gesture that you can use as a response. Simply extend your arm toward them, closed fist facing up, Then extend your middle finger. You might also invite them to "shove it." Or if you're in Europe, you can simply raise your entire arm at a 45% angle with a closed fist and slap your bicep with your other hand.

[Prak]

Bane Alley Broker, while not particularly explicit, has ridiculous cleavage that serves no purposed but to titillate, ie, to be sexualized.

Wow, Prak, maybe it's hot outside and she doesn't want her chest to get all uncomfortable and sweaty. Some chicks just have ridiculous cleavage and sexualizing them for it is bad or something.

And if she were a real woman, rather than a drawing by a male artist, you'd have a point.

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

When men sell images of naked women for money, it's art. When women sell images of themselves for money, it's pornography. Everyone knows that.

This sounds like Julie Bell erasure.

[Prak]

You can't erase someone I have to fucking google. She's already been erased.

[The Adventurer's Almanac]

Well, that's a shame and you should follow more fantasy art blogs.

[hyzmarca]

It occurs to me that since she can be played from Exile, kicking her out of the program was unwise on Wizards's part. Sure, 5 mana to recast is expensive, but worth it for those two white knights per turn. A much better move would have been to throw down Agent of Treachery, gaining control over her and getting those knights for themselves.

[Kaelik]

It occurs to me that since she can be played from Exile, kicking her out of the program was unwise on Wizards's part. Sure, 5 mana to recast is expensive, but worth it for those two white knights per turn. A much better move would have been to throw down Agent of Treachery, gaining control over her and getting those knights for themselves.

Agent of Treachery banned now. New thing is Ugin 8, but I admit that being able to be played from Exile is an insanely powerful effect that also defeats Ugin 8.

[Whipstitch]

Well, that's a shame and you should follow more fantasy art blogs.

I understood Prak's post as an attempt to properly frame Lizbeth Eden's internet stature rather than a comment on Julie Belle's celebrity. After all, google says that this removal is already one of the most famous things about Lizbeth Eden. Eyeballing her online presence tells me that she isn't big noise in the content creation scene and if she's bringing in serious money then it's because she's landed some whales, not because she has enough viewers that advertisers sit up and take notice. Note that I don't view that as a defense of Wizards, however. Ironically, if you asked me how someone of Lizbeth Eden's stature could hurt WotC about the only thing I can come up with is if this happened and someone sufficiently famous decided to make it a cause of it.

[Eikre]

Ok. So... I think I might be too libertine to make a proper judgement here. I literally so no difference, in terms of explicitness, between these two images-


Anyone have the energy to explain moral guardian panic to me?

Put aside the moral guardians for a second. Christian moms who find vulgarity categorically irredeemable are a niche market that you might incidentally pick up if you have a product that could not otherwise be embellished with sex or violence, but most people have terms under which they'll appreciate the inclusion of vulgarity.

Those terms basically boil down to earning it. Whether you're playing coy about sex and indulging in the forbidden mystique when you're behind closed doors or flaunting puritanical norms and feeling like you're just so cool for it, a lot of people (most people?) want sex but have an aesthetic desire for it to remain at some kind of premium, whether they're actively maintaining kayfabe or not. If your media is being sold on vulgarity alone then it's porn and it's trashy but if your media asserts some notion that the sex is part of a higher artistic purpose then people get to run a little farcical judgement on it and deem the tits sufficiently premium via the toil of the artists who depicted them.

The first of those two images is illustrated with a digital painting. That's instantly more high-brow than otherwise. First of all, painting is an old and prestigious craft, and the Louvre is full of paintings of tits. Painting is also very difficult and time-consuming in a way that everyone finds obvious and appreciable, and every drop of sweat that rolled off those purple areolas is a token of the picture's merit. Thirdly, there's a directorial intent to exemplify a theme with this picture: The setting conforms to a Greek aesthetic. Paintings of tits are a noted theme in neoclassicism. So it can be asserted high-mindedly that a lack of tit paintings would, in fact, be a critical oversight. It is in fact a necessary artistic duty to paint those tits.

The second image is a fetlife profile picture.

...Let me say, I sincerely intended to segue into a respectful critical reflection for this woman because I truly don't have anything against her, but I've tried typing it out a couple times and it just feels like belaboring the point. Her photo has been posted as both a standalone work and with the proxie frame on it in this topic and the standalone version is better art. It's not like you need to look at it and ask, "hey why are her tits so big and naked?" That's just what the picture is of, man, and some appropriate level of work was put into the craft of producing the photograph in which they feature. But when you use it as an illustration, you do raise that question, because illustrations are supposed to be of something, and the card text very much fails to contextualize the photograph. There's nothing illustrative about the photo, but it does contain a rather striking inclusion, so it really just brings the viewer down to the null hypothesis of "you just wanted me to look at your tits, didn't you?"

[RadiantPhoenix]

Those terms basically boil down to earning it. Whether you're playing coy about sex and indulging in the forbidden mystique when you're behind closed doors or flaunting puritanical norms and feeling like you're just so cool for it, a lot of people (most people?) want sex but have an aesthetic desire for it to remain at some kind of premium, whether they're actively maintaining kayfabe or not. If your media is being sold on vulgarity alone then it's porn and it's trashy but if your media asserts some notion that the sex is part of a higher artistic purpose then people get to run a little farcical judgement on it and deem the tits sufficiently premium via the toil of the artists who depicted them.

The first of those two images is illustrated with a digital painting. That's instantly more high-brow than otherwise. First of all, painting is an old and prestigious craft, and the Louvre is full of paintings of tits. Painting is also very difficult and time-consuming in a way that everyone finds obvious and appreciable, and every drop of sweat that rolled off those purple areolas is a token of the picture's merit. Thirdly, there's a directorial intent to exemplify a theme with this picture: The setting conforms to a Greek aesthetic. Paintings of tits are a noted theme in neoclassicism. So it can be asserted high-mindedly that a lack of tit paintings would, in fact, be a critical oversight. It is in fact a necessary artistic duty to paint those tits.

The second image is a fetlife profile picture.

...Let me say, I sincerely intended to segue into a respectful critical reflection for this woman because I truly don't have anything against her, but I've tried typing it out a couple times and it just feels like belaboring the point. Her photo has been posted as both a standalone work and with the proxie frame on it in this topic and the standalone version is better art. It's not like you need to look at it and ask, "hey why are her tits so big and naked?" That's just what the picture is of, man, and some appropriate level of work was put into the craft of producing the photograph in which they feature. But when you use it as an illustration, you do raise that question, because illustrations are supposed to be of something, and the card text very much fails to contextualize the photograph. There's nothing illustrative about the photo, but it does contain a rather striking inclusion, so it really just brings the viewer down to the null hypothesis of "you just wanted me to look at your tits, didn't you?

Two more things I'd point out are:

1. In the context of a Magic the Gathering card digital painting is the expected visual medium for card art. Using a nonstandard medium for card art makes it feel out-of-place right off the bat. If photos were the standard card art medium, it would feel less out-of-place.
2. Continuing with the "what is this illustrating?", if the art were on a card like Gild or Aurification, the art would feel like it has a reason to be showing someone wearing only gold body paint. Likewise, if the card were about the character being a sex object (which it might be, but if it is, then I'm not familiar with the context), there would also be a point to it (but WotC would be more likely to freak out about it than the other case).

[Prak]

The first of those two images is illustrated with a digital painting. That's instantly more high-brow than otherwise. First of all, painting is an old and prestigious craft, and the Louvre is full of paintings of tits. Painting is also very difficult and time-consuming in a way that everyone finds obvious and appreciable, and every drop of sweat that rolled off those purple areolas is a token of the picture's merit. Thirdly, there's a directorial intent to exemplify a theme with this picture: The setting conforms to a Greek aesthetic. Paintings of tits are a noted theme in neoclassicism. So it can be asserted high-mindedly that a lack of tit paintings would, in fact, be a critical oversight. It is in fact a necessary artistic duty to paint those tits.

He knew in his heart that spinning upside down around a pole wearing a costume you could floss with definitely was not Art, and being painted lying on a bed wearing nothing but a smile and a small bunch of grapes was good solid Art, but putting your finger on why this was the case was a bit tricky.

“No urns,” he said at last.

“What urns?” said Nobby.

“Nude women are only Art if there’s an urn in it,” said Fred Colon. This sounded a bit weak even to him, so he added: “Or a plinth. Best is both, o’course. It’s a secret sign, see, that they put in to say that it’s Art and okay to look at.”

“What about a potted plant?”

“That’s okay if it’s in an urn.”

[Korwin]

https://www.tor.com/2020/07/06/wizards- ... vironment/
Not about boobies, but about wotc and their policies.

[Leress]

https://www.tor.com/2020/07/06/wizards- ... vironment/
Not about boobies, but about wotc and their policies.

I was gonna save that for different thread about WOTC but if we wanted it all here I can post away.