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FrankTrollman wrote:But yes, I think that we should replace most of our memes and political discussions with fringe porn.

-Username17

Shrapnel wrote:Wait, Suicide Squad won an Oscar? What for? Excessive edge?

What do libertarians think about the unlicensed trade in addictive drugs? Similar to the unlicensed trade in butter. Government shouldn’t tell us what we can buy and sell.

If we free the slaves, who will pick the cotton?

Taxes are a means. Services, like schools, roads, police, etc., are the ends. Libertarians are not looking at a different form of the same means. They look for more peaceful ways of achieving desired ends.

In other words, it is not about a different form of slavery. It is about picking cotton without slavery.

Kaelik wrote:You should really source a quote like that, so I know who to sue for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

FrankTrollman wrote:Libertarians should not discuss actual slave holding in the real world. Because their philosophy is incapable of presenting a coherent reason why taking slaves away from their owners is right once the slave owners already own the slaves. Their stupid nonviolence postulate can explain why it's wrong to kidnap and enslave someone who is free, but it cannot be used to explain why it's a good thing to free the chattels of someone who currently owns people. The Great Emancipation is unquestionably a good thing, but Libertarian philosophy cannot tell you why. Freeing slaves is not Pareto Efficient. The slave owner has to lose his property, and you have to take it from him by force.

-Username17

hyzmarca wrote: No, where Libertarian-Capitalism fails is defacto slavery due to disproportionate control of resources. If you live in a company town with no other options but to sign on for a lifetime of serfdom, you're technically free in a Libertarian Capitalist sense, because you could always choose to starve to death. Wage slavery is much more insidious than chattel slavery. In chattel slavery, the threat of violence is limited and comes for a single sources. It can be escaped. In wage slavery, the threat of death is both totally passive but completely inescapable.

Which is why Libertarian Socialists see control of the means of production by individuals or corporations as extremely bad.

Is being indebted the worst situation in life? Worse is needing the money, but not being able to become indebted.

hyzmarca wrote:That's pretty easy. People cannot be property, and keeping them enslaved with threat of force is an ongoing act of violence.

Ancient History wrote:"It's like the collapse of the Roman Empire but with wi-fi."

Because people get offended when you tell them your credentials in the middle of a debate, I'm listing them here:
I'm a genius with around 150 IQ.(Not an internet test. Rolling Eyes )
Roughly 90% wins in 40k
Top 20% of every major GT entered, including the LVO and Adepticon
I can look at 2 units w/ their special rules and tell you which one is better in X circumstance without doing math.
I hope these things help you to understand me as a person, so that I don't come across as arrogant when I talk to you. I'm not normal. The difference between my IQ and the average person is greater than the difference between the average person and someone who is mentally retarded. Imagine everyone around you being very slow to understand, if at all, of all of the things you instantly understand. It makes interaction difficult. People take offense easily. I mean no offense. Please forgive me.