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Kaelik
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Trump can't admit fault. Ever. He can't admit being wrong.

So now he has allowed that to ossify in his brain, so he can't even realize that changing his message would prove him to be great, he's too busy staying on message.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I want to agree with Kaelik, but I'm worried it's more "to justify more drastic measures". If he gets America to believe that the problems are unprecedented, we might accept solutions that are unprecedented. Cue the corruption investigations, internment camps, and maybe even suspension of elections (you know, "temporarily", until the problems are fixed).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

angelfromanotherpin wrote:


Sticking to his established lie no matter what because pathology? Sticking with the reliable applause lines because narcissism? Or is it just that if the magic of his personal majesty actually destroyed all problems by its simple presence, he couldn't use those problems to justify more authoritarian measures?


My theory is that he's beginning to suffer from senior dementia.

I mean he's 70 years old. He doesn't take care of his body or mind, He's delusional, paranoid and divorced from reality.

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I want to agree with Kaelik, but I'm worried it's more "to justify more drastic measures". If he gets America to believe that the problems are unprecedented, we might accept solutions that are unprecedented. Cue the corruption investigations, internment camps, and maybe even suspension of elections (you know, "temporarily", until the problems are fixed).


Is it possible that Trump is just a useful idiot for people like Bannon who want to use him to fulfill their own extreme agendas?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Folks want Trump to be a useful idiot, but malice and incompetence are so entwined in this administration it's hard to tell who is using whom.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-publish-weekly-list-crimes-immigrants-commit-refugees-aliens-executive-order-us-a7546826.html

Fuck everything.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Where malice and incompetence begins and ends in the Trump administration is certainly hard to determine, and most likely there won't be a historical consensus on the matter when an autopsy of this shit show is done. One of the main issues is that in addition to actually being a bunch of incompetent boobs who don't know how things work and lack the intellectual curiosity to find out, they are also choosing to put incompetent people in charge of things as part of a radical anti-government agenda.

Let's consider Rick Perry as a choice for Secretary of Eenrgy. Rick Perry of course had a presidential campaign where he pledged to do a radical overhaul and shrinking of the federal government, including the complete disolution of three cabinet-level federal agencies - including Energy. But his campaign went down like the Hindenburg because he forgot what he was talking about in the middle of presenting his plan on national television at the Republican debates. Oops. But the real kicker is that he forgot what he was talking about just when he was getting to the Department of Energy! So the most famous moment in Rick Perry's entire life is him forgetting the name of the Department of Energy while pledging to destroy it.

Rick Perry is literally the last person in America you would want to lead the Department of Energy. Picking somebody out of the phone book or giving the job to a six year old girl that just won a spelling bee would make more sense. Rick Perry as head of the department is simply the most insulting appointment you could make. The proposal cannot be interpreted as anything other than a calculated insult.

Now the question of who is being insulted is an open one. Was someone trolling Trump by putting the worst possible suggestion in front of him and having him sign it? Was it a juvenile dominance display over the people who work at the agency? Was it simply an opening salvo in the battle to delegitimize the entire Federal Government? I don't know. That selection goes way beyond the lazy corruption of the Bush Junior administration where they put Brown in charge of FEMA because he attended the right kind of dinner parties. This is an appointment that can only be interpreted as a message. And the message is "Fuck You."

Now what's interesting to me is that as Mechalich pointed out, the Trump administration hasn't produced a big list of appointments for under-secretaries, regional directors, or even judges. The Republicans slow walked judicial nominations during Obama's terms so badly that there are over a hundred empty judicial seats that Trump could nominate people for, and the friendly Senate to rubber stamp those nominations. Trump has nominated one guy. Seriously. One judge. You'd think someone on the team would draw up a list of the 100 sleaziest right wing judges in the country and nominate them all to a promotion. At the very minimum. Fuck, the Heritage Foundation is full of lawyers, they could just fucking grab some. But it hasn't happened. Yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

DeVos praises historically black colleges and universities as pioneers of school of choice. Seriously.




Commander in Chief doesn't want to make tough military decisions


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Is there any indication any of this news is hurting Trump, like making it more difficult for him to pass laws, do president stuff, or lose support?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

From what I've read, debunking fake news and showing how awful populist really are doesn't really work.

People don't believe news because there are logical reasons to believe them to be true. They believe news when the news fit their preconceptions. And even if you prove them that an article saying that muslim immigrants killed people and the police did nothing to prevent them is completely bogus, they'll answer "yeah maybe it didn't happen exactly this way, but muslim are still horrible people and the police is nowhere tough enough with them."

Likewise, when you show them how horrible populist are they'll tell you that it's propaganda from "the system". And that's assuming that they don't actually agree with whatever stupid decision has been taken.

Even worse, debunking fake news or spreading outrage at something actually serves the extremists, because it makes their opinion more visible, give the impression that it's more widespread and make people more likely to accept these ideas.

So the solution would be to stop focusing on what they say or do and instead to create a new narrative. Instead of saying "these people are wrong, here is the truth" we should be listening to what people truly want/need and offer them new narratives that would push relevant issues and drown the extremist noise. Easier said than done, but probably worth a try.

You can read this article for more information about this.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sessions met twice last year with Russian ambassador, didn't disclose

Trump creates Victims of Immigrant Crime Engagement. He claims this is necessary to give these victims "ignored by the media a voice". Kudos to him for creating a two-birds-with-one-stone agency.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Victims of...ICE? Yeah, maybe not the right name to pick.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thaluikhain wrote:
Victims of...ICE? Yeah, maybe not the right name to pick.

Ha! I didn't even catch that! I'm sure they were so happy to get the VOICE acronym to work, that they missed it, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

sessions: "I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States,"
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"campaign" is still a qualifier in that, so when Trump is being investigated for his long history of dealings with Russian mafioso types involving himself in their business deals, like Slater, Sessions can still head the investigation.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

RobbyPants wrote:

Trump creates Victims of Immigrant Crime Engagement. He claims this is necessary to give these victims "ignored by the media a voice". Kudos to him for creating a two-birds-with-one-stone agency.


Yes. State police forces are well known for not targeting immigrants for investigations. I know they Albuquerque police had a 'shoot first, ask questions never' approach to any suspects looking vaguely hispanic. But maybe times have changed the last couple years, and...nah. They haven't.

Got to wonder what this agency will really be for.
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Trump himself continues to talk about hellscape America


The thing is, Trump isn't kidding. He never was.

There's a lot of people on Trump's team because they can use him for their story about how shit was a bad and then Republicans got in and shit got better. Also a lot of people that are Nazis.

But Trump isn't playing that game, or any game, he really and honestly believes that the United States of America is a tortured wasteland hellscape because there are millions of rapist Mexicans walking the land and tens of thousands of Islamic terrorists sneaking in while lazy black criminal types rip off state services, there are almost no jobs for anyone any more, and a giant conspiracy of elite liberals at the universities and mainstream media, with the Chinese communists who are behind them, create a myth of climate change to ruin American trade and industrial/political dominance which is built on coal and steel just like when his daddy told him that in the 50s. Plus, the country was better when they taught religion in schools.

The propaganda people love him because that's an easy story to tell people in the swing states, even though it's all wrong. But for Trump that is how the world really works and he really is going to fix it by deporting all Mexicans, banning all Muslims from entry, preventing blacks from voting or otherwise mixing with whites, and promoting the old US stalwarts of Coal and Steel and closing down anything that gives voice to, you know, all of modern science. Plus, prevent these liberals from lying to everyone with their science by replacing it with his religion.

He's not appointing hundreds of under-secretaries because he's already appointed like a dozen people and that was hard work and people criticised him and he got sad and worried and didn't want to do it any more, not while all those Mexican rapists are still out there raping all the white women and the liberals are stopping him fixing that.

So they sent him on a campaign tour to cheer him up, because he loves when the crowds cheer his name and stuff. That's his happy place. Maybe he'll do some more work now, or maybe not, because dinner takes like four hours and involves a lot of wine.
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So, which does the 'Obama was totally wire-tapping me' fall into? 1, 2 or possibly 4?
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So, which does the 'Obama was totally wire-tapping me' fall into? 1, 2 or possibly 4?

I think it's meant to be a 2: Diversion, but it's actually secret category 5: Foot-shooting.


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How strong does evidence have to be for "probable cause" and how tight does the relationship have to be to be an "agent" of a foreign power? 'Cause everyone and their dog has enough evidence to assume >50% odds that Cheeto Mussolini is in cahoots with Russia, but it's not clear that he was strictly subordinate to Putin.
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Because powerful men get away with terrible shit, and even the public domain ones get ignored, and then, when the floodgates open, it turns out there was a goddam flood behind it.
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As far as death and human misery goes, Tobacco is basically World War II grinding on forever with no real sign of stopping in our life times. Death camps and nuclear bombs and stuff are certainly dramatic, but public health crises are always and forever bigger than wars on the global scale.


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The FISA courts are frequently accused of rubber-stamping, but it appears that the FBI's first request for a warrant was denied, so it seems likely that some standards were applied.

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The first request, which, sources say, named Trump, was denied back in June, but the second was drawn more narrowly and was granted in October

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Making America Great Again
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Eh. Its pretty hard to blame the January trade deficit on Trump. It's a pretty difficult case to assign trade fluctuations to a President at all, but especially when they've been on the job for less than a week of the month.

There is a lot of shit the guy is responsible for, but this seems a stretch.
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I dunno, a lot of that will have been people not buying US in the wake of seeing them elect Orange Hitler after seeing what Orange Hitler openly promised.
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And if there are any weeds that grow better in barren soil than laziness and ignorance, I don't know what they are (and don't care enough to find out).
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Because powerful men get away with terrible shit, and even the public domain ones get ignored, and then, when the floodgates open, it turns out there was a goddam flood behind it.
FrankTrollman wrote:
As far as death and human misery goes, Tobacco is basically World War II grinding on forever with no real sign of stopping in our life times. Death camps and nuclear bombs and stuff are certainly dramatic, but public health crises are always and forever bigger than wars on the global scale.


Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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