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White supremacists have always had an uneasy alliance with pedophiles. They'll usually get outraged over anyone who puts a hand on a preteen or a boy, but at the same time there's an underlying idea of "old enough to breed, old enough to do your duty for the white race".
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Trump tweets condolences about a mass shooting... using the city name from the LAST one. This seems like a case of these things being so frequent that Trump made a copy-paste fail with his mass shooting template.

House Democrats introduce articles of impeachment against Trump, but what’s the point? It won’t go anywhere. Won’t this make them look weak?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

MGuy wrote:
As interesting as it is to retread over Clinton's past mistakes and how bad our electoral process and state governments are, I think that we should start looking toward the future of the party. All the talk seems to be about the DNC and Hillary


Ahem yes.

Defending Tom Wolf's governership and Senator Casey's Senate seat for 2018 are tasks which are more immediate and important here in swing-state Pennsylvania.

Also those two are achievable tasks -- unlike fixing our bloated State Legislature or the slanted districting used to keep control of it out of the hands of urban voters.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

RobbyPants wrote:
Trump tweets condolences about a mass shooting... using the city name from the LAST one. This seems like a case of these things being so frequent that Trump made a copy-paste fail with his mass shooting template.

House Democrats introduce articles of impeachment against Trump, but what’s the point? It won’t go anywhere. Won’t this make them look weak?


Yeah, unfortunately. I don't really know where they're going with this. They have to know it won't get anywhere, and ineffective attempts at impeachment just tend to piss off people in the middle, especially when the only real investigation is still ongoing.

What this looks like is the Dems lack sufficient control of their members, six idiots have gone rogue, and will make future actions (and elections) harder for everyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

https://shareblue.com/trump-campaign-chair-trafficked-kids-for-sex-after-accusing-immigrants-of-doing-the-same/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Oh my god. What will they not project onto other people?!
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I don't see any evidence of what we'd think of as trafficking in the article. Am I missing something? From the sound of it, he paid an underage boy to have sex with him. Sex with minors is still, y'know, illegal and abhorrent, but it's not the same crime as what he was accusing immigrants of bringing to the country, which is paying a slaver to rent or buy a child sex slave.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Not exactly quite sure why they'd charge him with trafficking if it's just solicitation. Lawyers?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The linked article to the plea deal had a little more:

NewsOK wrote:

He was accused in the child sex trafficking count of knowingly recruiting the underage male to engage in a commercial sex act.

He was accused in one of the child pornography counts of persuading that teenager to send him an inappropriate photo in 2016. He was accused in the other child pornography counts of emailing sexually explicit videos to two individuals in October 2013.

The plea agreement calls for federal prosecutors to ask the judge at sentencing to dismiss the child pornography counts. Also, according to the deal, Shortey "will not be further prosecuted by the United States Attorney's Office for the Western District of Oklahoma for any crimes related to his transportation, possession or production of child pornography or child sex trafficking during the period from October 2013 through March 9, 2017."

Shortey had also faced a child prostitution charge in Cleveland County District Court. That felony case was dismissed after he was indicted in federal court.
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SlyJohnny
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Holy shit, that's amazing. You can negotiate for a blanket immunity for any child abuse you may or may not have committed over a four year period? Or is that just for wealthy republicans?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If you plead guilty to 'something' you can usually get a lot of 'other things' waived. Trials are expensive and Prosecutors want you to go to jail. Pleading guilty is a sure thing so it's totally normal to get a bunch of crimes ignored. This is also how prosecutors screw you over - there are very few checks on District Attorney zeal.

To see how it can be absued, read this article about people who protested during Trump's inauguration and have been prosecuted for 'crimes' with no evidence that they participated individually.

Edit - Relevant bits in case you've hit your maximum number of NY Times articles:

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Most of the people in the group, which includes journalists, legal observers and volunteer medics, face charges of engaging in a riot, inciting a riot, conspiracy to riot and property damage.

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For example, I was offered a plea deal (to a single misdemeanor charge) on the basis of virtually nothing more than being at the site of the protest. Many of my co-defendants report similar experiences. Yet we remain under indictment for multiple felonies, with all the disruption and fear that brings.


So they can threaten you with huge amounts of jail time and if you accept a plea you can get a relatively small amount of jail time.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

SlyJohnny wrote:
Holy shit, that's amazing. You can negotiate for a blanket immunity for any child abuse you may or may not have committed over a four year period? Or is that just for wealthy republicans?


The age of consent in Oklahoma is 16. So the only reason he's actually being prosecuted at all is that he offered money. And also that he used email.

I mean, yeah, he's a skeezy person, and probably a massive hypocrite, but the laws being used against him are not the ones that protect children from exploitation. They're the ones that put children in prison for receiving dick pics from their boyfriends on their cell phones.

The charges against him are literally that he had a consensual relationship with someone who was over the age of consent, and that person sent him dick pics, and he gave that person money.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

"It's impossible that a 16 year old could be exploited by their pimp, and clearly the sex that 16 year old has after their pimp tells them to, because the pimp was paid money is consensual." - An idiot.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

RobbyPants wrote:
House Democrats introduce articles of impeachment against Trump, but what’s the point? It won’t go anywhere. Won’t this make them look weak?

One of the things that continually drives me berserk about the donkeys is their inability to consolidate power. The moment anybody sees some light at the end of the tunnel, all the splinter factions leap at their various straws and hand the GOP a bunch of free elections (which they use to push unpopular legislation and gerrymandering).

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm confused by this one guy.
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On the 'witch hunt inquisition' on Roy Moore, the self-absorbed, 'wrapped up in God' candidate I would never trust for dogcatcher, let alone US Senate candidate:
While I believe Moore’s conduct at the time (early 30s) was enough to disqualify him for the office he seeks — especially as he violated rules required of all officers of the court as it pertains to avoiding even the appearance of impropriety — there are larger, more looming questions needing answers, like:
1. Where were these allegations during the Alabama Senate primary, and WHY didn’t Luther Strange’s camp use these to neutralize the challenge Roy Moore was mounting at the time, especially when they had the chance, OR did WaPo hold that back deliberately? Answer that one…
2. Why did WaPo (The Washington Post) hold onto and basically sit on these essential claims of impropriety and/or alleged sexual abuse by then-Assistant District Attorney Roy Moore from the 1970s, until such time—well after the statute of limitations had passed—until WaPo could weaponize it, so as to inflict the most possible and maximum damage they could? If this were a Democrat, it never would've seen the light of day.
3. This ‘November surprise’ by WaPo shows they clearly abrogated their role as a trustee in the public interest, were NEVER interested in the truth, and only reinforces President Trump’s belief—and what has become national common knowledge—of many newspapers being ‘FAKE NEWS’, or official media arms of the Democratic Party.
4. Now that Gloria Allred — Jesse Jackson in white — has resurfaced with her non-stop ego, their commonality being is they appear only if there’s a TV camera to jump in front of?
5. Truly the spawn of Satan, the Democratic Party and the establishment wing of the GOP have shown themselves to be enemies of the People and Traitors to the Republic, and must be publicly designated as the Domestic Terrorists they are, and dealt with in a manner permitted by law. ***

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Confused how? He's drumming the narrative of liberal media bias, fake news, and Trump persecution.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yeah, I'm also confused by your confusion. Whoever he is- (you didn't name or link anything), it's a fairly tired narrative by a TRUE CONSERVATIVE Trumpist about the evils of a free press and anyone that thinks differently from his lord and savior.
The 'fake news,' Satan, Enemies of the People and Domestic Terrorists are kinda a subtle hint.

Gods forbid journalists do some work and have some corresponding testimony and/or evidence rather just make wild allegations that are easily dismissed ('where were these allegation' is: they were trying to collaborate or verify them).


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You should point out to 'this one guy' that the Alabama Senate primary (which Roy Moore won) concluded on September 26th, 2017. The #metoo movement 'caught fire' over the weekend of October 14th to 15th and was not started because of Roy Moore. Rather, it was the discussion of past abuse that had women coming forward who had held on to secrets for years - sometimes decades. The Washington Post didn't sit on the story - the story developed as a number of women came forward and all made accusations against the same person.

This is also the story of Harvey Weinstein. Since he wasn't running for office, you wouldn't call it a 'November surprise'. The timing isn't because of the election - but the relevance is. The timing is because of a movement to identify and discuss previous sexual assault and sexual harassment that has gone ignored for too long.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fpolitics\

You know, while so many people are saying that leaving so many important diplomatic position unfilled is harming the United States's capabilities, I think that what it's really doing is ushering in a new modern era, where most diplomacy is conducted through Twitter and Facebook.
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Trump has given his full backing to Roy Moore. He's using the tax cut vote to say how he can't count on a single Democrat, so we need a Republican in that seat, no matter what he's done.
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Uh... The Democrats don't vote with Republicans on terribly destructive Republican plans. Stop press there.

Does someone need to sit down with Donald and explain the concept of opposition means they won't vote his way?

Does he need a 70s era cartoon PSA about the basics of government?


He should be slightly more concerned that something like 8 or 9 Republicans had to be bribed, blackmailed or forced to go along with the 'tax plan', and one still said 'Go fuck yourself.'


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Do we need Last Week Tonight's Catheter Cowboy to explain how opposition works during Fox and Friends?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Voss wrote:
Does someone need to sit down with Donald and explain the concept of opposition means they won't vote his way?

Does he need a 70s era cartoon PSA about the basics of government?

I think he's still coping with the idea that the president has less power than he thought at the time of assuming the office. He probably feels ripped off at getting tricked into taking a job that's way harder than he originally assumed.


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He should be slightly more concerned that something like 8 or 9 Republicans had to be bribed, blackmailed or forced to go along with the 'tax plan', and one still said 'Go fuck yourself.'

He's even more concerned with standing behind a podium, surrounded by like-minded followers, feeding off their energy while they chant "DRAIN THE SWAMP! DRAIN THE SWAMP!"

He may be biologically dependent on it, at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Voss wrote:
Uh... The Democrats don't vote with Republicans on terribly destructive Republican plans. Stop press there.

Does someone need to sit down with Donald and explain the concept of opposition means they won't vote his way?

Does he need a 70s era cartoon PSA about the basics of government?


Possibly, but he might be saying that for the benefit of supporters who want to believe him when he says that sort of thing. Can't tell, myself.
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