Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:07 pm
So a combo discipline from an alternate setting splat that is essentially it's own game set a thousand years ago is the main way to do it?
The fuck outta here, man.
The fuck outta here, man.
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An entire cow has like... 2 blood points in them since they're not human.Grek wrote:Someone explain to me what stops a vampire from just eating a non-cooperative animal.
It very much is. Looking at these issues, I didn't do nearly enough in this area for first edition.Lokathor wrote:Speaking of roles within a group and expected challenges, that's something After Sundown 2e needs to work on.
So you're a vampire dairy farmer. Buy up some acreage in a red state, put up a "trespassers will be shot" sign, and then spend your time goofing around when you're not feeding the cows or feeding from them.Milkmaid79 wrote:Cows are 5-6 blood points (depending on which edition). Still not great since you have to drain the whole cow. Talk about feeling bloated...
Well, plenty of anime and games do depict humies as being sacks full of pressurized blood.virgil wrote:My vote is that the last one takes up the lion's share of the reason, with the first one being the go-to response for people who try to defend the system and will undoubtedly call all of us gamist poopy-pants.talozin wrote:Either blood points aren't supposed to represent exact percentages of the blood in someone's body; or no one involved in the writing of the game had a medical degree or access to someone who did; or they just plain didn't give even a single fuck about the feasibility of their numbers in the real world. I'm guessing it's a combination of all three.
It would be amusing if you changed the blood point ratio such that a single guy has like 560 blood points potentially in him.
Also, god kills a catgirl every time you do it. Won't someone think of the furries?maglag wrote:To try to bring real-world medicine into the discussion at that point is like trying to bring real-world physics to D&D- Pure. Madness.
A typical human needs to lose about 4 pints of blood to reach Class 4 hemorrhage. If you do it that, it's a bit less than half a pint per blood point. That's still a month to recover that much blood.Zaranthan wrote:IIRC, the book says if you drain 10 blood points from a mortal, they die, do not pass go, do not roll system shock. How much blood does a person have to lose in order to die from blood loss? Would 10% of that be a reasonable measure for 1 blood point? Could you lose and regenerate that every day like the system says?
virgil wrote:Unless you create an Essence-like stat with blood as a volumetrically independent carrier, you need make like two teaspoons equal to a blood point.
OgreBattle wrote:In Chinese alchemy, one drop of semen is equal to ten drops of blood.
OK, then if two teaspoons of blood = 1 Blood Point, then it means you need about a fifth of a teaspoon of semen or less for the same effect. That seems a lot more efficient than blood use then - it means that one swallow recovers a pretty good chunk of your Blood Points.virgil, earlier wrote:Amateur internet research says that the average volume of emission is about 3/4 of a teaspoon, which adds up to about 13 orgasms for one blood point. We're talking serious blowbang territory.
Cows cost near to a thousand dollars each. Drinking all the blood in six cows a month will keep you alive, but that's really expensive. There are people who can spend close to two hundred thousand dollars a year on food, but not many. You can of course get some money back or even make a profit by doing actual ranching and slaughtering and selling beef. But now we're talking about a pretty major operation.Maxus wrote:So you're a vampire dairy farmer. Buy up some acreage in a red state, put up a "trespassers will be shot" sign, and then spend your time goofing around when you're not feeding the cows or feeding from them.Milkmaid79 wrote:Cows are 5-6 blood points (depending on which edition). Still not great since you have to drain the whole cow. Talk about feeling bloated...
I'm not sure that's true at all. Malkavians have literally no combat powers and the authors often state that characters engaging in and being good at combat is playing the game wrong. And the enmity of animals is supposed to be a moderately serious disadvantage when they remember it.Grek wrote:The fact that vampires in VTM mechanically couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag is an artifact of White Wolf being bad at mechanics, not an intentional part of the setting. Storywise, a vampire should be able to kill a domestic animal fairly easily, if they're not completely stupid about it.
Nah. It's closer to 9 teaspoons. It's like 10-20 ejaculations as previously noted. You have to suck a lot of cock to get a blood point.Koz wrote:OK, then if two teaspoons of blood = 1 Blood Point
Problem with that being that cities aren't animal free at all. You have people walking their frequently fuckhuge dogs after sunset, there's plenty of feral dogs in a lot of places, there's cats and crows and a gazillion rats and pigeons and a lot of cities have sizeable populations of owls, foxes, raccoons, parrots, boars and whatnot.FrankTrollman wrote:But the fact that dogs and pigs want to kill you is presented as being one of the main reasons that vampires stay in cities and avoid rural areas.
Spike just went to the butcher shop and bought blood by the gallon. You can do that. It comes in plastic milk jugs.FrankTrollman wrote: Cows cost near to a thousand dollars each. Drinking all the blood in six cows a month will keep you alive, but that's really expensive. There are people who can spend close to two hundred thousand dollars a year on food, but not many. You can of course get some money back or even make a profit by doing actual ranching and slaughtering and selling beef. But now we're talking about a pretty major operation.
You're also freaking out because of all of the gas lights.Rasumichin wrote:
And if you play in Victorian London, you're causing traffic accidents left and right because you're freaking out the horses of every carriage that you pass by on the street. Now, i don't know how many carriages you could actually expect on a nightly street in historical Victorian London, but pop culture Victorian London works under the assumption that these things are about as common as taxis are in modern nights.
WoD Victorian London is basically a chain reaction of Rötschreck and stampeding draft horses.hyzmarca wrote:You're also freaking out because of all of the gas lights.Rasumichin wrote:
And if you play in Victorian London, you're causing traffic accidents left and right because you're freaking out the horses of every carriage that you pass by on the street. Now, i don't know how many carriages you could actually expect on a nightly street in historical Victorian London, but pop culture Victorian London works under the assumption that these things are about as common as taxis are in modern nights.
Eh, not quite.hyzmarca wrote:You're also freaking out because of all of the gas lights.
In general a covered gas light won't provoke you. An open one might, but most likely would be difficulty 3-5 to resist frenzy. Still bad, but theoretically playable.Rotschrek wrote:Relatively innocuous stimuli, or stimuli directly under the character's control, are unlikely to induce Rötschreck. For example, a character who sees a lit cigarette in a nightclub, or a screened-in fireplace in an ally's home, might grow uneasy, but is unlikely to succumb to the Red Fear. If that same cigarette is pointed threateningly at the vampire, though, or the fireplace suddenly flares up.
No. A cow only having 5 blood traits means that you have to drink 11 liters of its blood to get one blood point. That means that you can't get anywhere feeding off a cow without seriously injuring or killing the cow. Dogs and cats you can't feed on without killing them outright.Longes wrote:A cow has 5 blood points, so you can keep up your night to night living on a single ghouled cow, if you don't go discipline crazy. Dogs have 2 BP, cats and blood packs have 1.
"Safe" feeding means taking no more than 20% of the victim's blood points. So in case of a cow you can drink one blood point per night without injuring the cow. Which is the same amount of blood you can take safely from a child, since a child also has 5BP. Dogs will need hospitalization after 1BP, and cats die outright. Blood Points don't map to quantities directly, they are abstract. Drinking all blood from a cow would take less time than drinking all blood from an adult human because an adult human has more blood points (10) and drinking speed is measured in blood points, rather than liters or teaspoons. And once you've drunk the blood, it transforms into "vitae", which is its own magical substance each point of which can count as 1, 2 or 42 blood points despite being the same physical quantity.FrankTrollman wrote:No. A cow only having 5 blood traits means that you have to drink 11 liters of its blood to get one blood point. That means that you can't get anywhere feeding off a cow without seriously injuring or killing the cow. Dogs and cats you can't feed on without killing them outright.Longes wrote:A cow has 5 blood points, so you can keep up your night to night living on a single ghouled cow, if you don't go discipline crazy. Dogs have 2 BP, cats and blood packs have 1.
Also it means that drinking cow blood means that you have to down three gallons of blood every night just to keep from starving.
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This is so retarded that I can't even engage with it as an argument. If the rules seem to imply that your character can drink 11 liters of fluid in 3 seconds, then the correct response is to say "Oh, that rule is completely retarded." If the rules seem to imply that a cow can be safely milked of 11 liters of blood every day, then all we've found is that the rules for healing are unworkably bad when applied to cows.Longes wrote:"Safe" feeding means taking no more than 20% of the victim's blood points. So in case of a cow you can drink one blood point per night without injuring the cow. Which is the same amount of blood you can take safely from a child, since a child also has 5BP. Dogs will need hospitalization after 1BP, and cats die outright. Blood Points don't map to quantities directly, they are abstract. Drinking all blood from a cow would take less time than drinking all blood from an adult human because an adult human has more blood points (10) and drinking speed is measured in blood points, rather than liters or teaspoons. And once you've drunk the blood, it transforms into "vitae", which is each own magical substance each point of which can count as 1, 2 or 42 blood points despite being the same physical quantity.