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Shrapnel wrote:I am of the opinion that once you start to analyze porn, it stops being porn.

Because it's porn. It doesn't need to be deconstructed and analyzed. If it can bring you to a climax, then it's done it's job.
So, electricity is porn then i guess?
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Shrapnel wrote:Yeah, but... do you really need to understand porn? It's entire purpose is literally to make people whack off. I don't think you need to get any deeper than that.
But, we must possess understanding. The knowledge must flow.

We might just as easily say that any phenomenon is what it is, and shouldn't be further examined. But that isn't how our species survives. Everything we have, from the development of the scientific method to the acquisition of shamanic phytopharmaceutical knowledge, comes from inquiring and asking why things are the way they are.

Only inquiry into what porn is and how it works will permit the production of ultraporn.
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Stahlseele wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:I am of the opinion that once you start to analyze porn, it stops being porn.

Because it's porn. It doesn't need to be deconstructed and analyzed. If it can bring you to a climax, then it's done it's job.
So, electricity is porn then i guess?
I would not be surprised if there were actually people who were sexually aroused by electricity.

Occluded Sun wrote:But, we must possess understanding. The knowledge must flow.

We might just as easily say that any phenomenon is what it is, and shouldn't be further examined. But that isn't how our species survives. Everything we have, from the development of the scientific method to the acquisition of shamanic phytopharmaceutical knowledge, comes from inquiring and asking why things are the way they are.

Only inquiry into what porn is and how it works will permit the production of ultraporn.
Ah, well if it's for the creation of better naked ladies in the buff wearing no clothes, then I guess I have no objection.
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Techically, everybody is aroused by electricity.
Nerve signals being electricity and all that.
But yes, there's also sex toys with electricity...
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Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Shrapnel wrote:Ah, well if it's for the creation of better naked ladies in the buff wearing no clothes, then I guess I have no objection.
Case in point, science tells us that most people find some clothing more arousing than total nudity.
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For the same reason that horror movies that hint at the monster are more terrifying than those that show it outright. Imagination fills in the blanks, and the imagination is more potent than the best special effects.

No one is suggesting women don burkhas or nun's wimples to be sexy, but the modern fad of increased exposure, Lady-Gaga-style, is counterproductive. You need only expose enough to get the imagination picturing what's being hidden, no more.
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Er...

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Lady Gaga is not the celebrity to mention here. She's hardly ever been super-exposed. You're probably thinking Miley Cyrus.

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That red thing leaves little to the imagination. Admittedly I was talking about exposure in more of the metaphoric sense than literal. She exemplifies poor taste, though.
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Shrapnel wrote: Ah, well if it's for the creation of better naked ladies in the buff wearing no clothes, then I guess I have no objection.
Some people prefer naked ladies wearing clothes.
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The meat dress was perhaps poorly conceived, but I don't think you can really apply typical standards of sense to the entertainment industry. Also, little to the imagination or no, the red dress is actually way more covering than the dresses worn by many celebrities to the various major awards shows of the last decade or so.
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I would generally hold up those dresses as examples of the "less is less" phenomenon. But that translucent veil doesn't really conceal a thing - she's basically topless and slightly red-colored. Which is... fine, I guess, if you're going for titillation. But it completely abolishes the sense of wonder.

A woman in a one-piece swimsuit does more, I think. Given the right attitude.
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Shrapnel wrote:Yeah, but... do you really need to understand porn? It's entire purpose is literally to make people whack off. I don't think you need to get any deeper than that. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, an' all that.

I dunno. It's probably just me that feels this way.
How much sex have you had? Because it sounds like not a lot. You can totally get off on really mediocre sex, but that doesn't mean you should never communicate with your partners, develop a better understanding, and have better sex.
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Sex is like Pizza.
Even if it's bad, it's still kinda good.
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Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Shrapnel wrote:Yeah, but... do you really need to understand porn? It's entire purpose is literally to make people whack off. I don't think you need to get any deeper than that. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, an' all that.

I dunno. It's probably just me that feels this way.
It needs to be examined so we know what lessons we're subconsciously (or consciously) learning from it.
  • "All men are rapists"
  • "If she says no at first, fuck her until she says yes"
  • "The average male human cock is about 9'' (23cm) long" (longer once you get into the realm of drawn or CG porn rather than stuff with actors)
  • "Condoms are weird"
  • "If a labia doesn't look like this it's deformed: \|/ " (I'm looking at you Australia)
  • "Ass-pussy"
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If we do not understand porn, we cannot know how to make more and better porn.
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Chamomile wrote:If we do not understand porn, we cannot know how to make more and better porn.
Hey, man, I've already conceded this point. Better porn is always a good thing, like a cat in a bucket or roof tiling.
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Shrapnel wrote:Yeah, but... do you really need to understand porn? It's entire purpose is literally to make people whack off. I don't think you need to get any deeper than that. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, an' all that.

I dunno. It's probably just me that feels this way.
How much sex have you had? Because it sounds like not a lot. You can totally get off on really mediocre sex, but that doesn't mean you should never communicate with your partners, develop a better understanding, and have better sex.
None is the amount I've had. Why? Are you offering to fix that situation, Kaelik-senpai? 'Cuz I find hair drills and bad attitudes a real turn on... And tails, too, because now I'm going to assume you have one.

Anyway, I don't see how understanding your partner to lead to better sex is the same as understanding porn. As I'm a virgin, I can't really say if forming deeper bonds with a partner makes it better (although I'm assuming that it does). But forming a bond with a living, breathing person is different from forming a bond with a fifteen minute video on Redtube that your going to forget about once the deed is done. Because it's a video. It doesn't have feelings. It can't respond to your affection. It can only show one or more naked people having sexual congress.

Something that I can definitely tell you from personal experience is that having a deeper understanding of porn has not actually made ejaculating anymore enjoyable than it normally is. In fact, usually it has the opposite effect: Actually knowing why my mind and dick are getting off to a woman being titty fucked kinda makes it seem less fun.

And I know what I'm talking about here, because unlike Matt Murdock, I've seen A LOT of porn. Like ten videos a day. Sometimes I jack off so much that my dick starts to chaff and bleed, and I need to take a few days off. Did I need to say that? No, not really.
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Shrapnel- invest in lube.
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Duly noted.
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You know what's really sexy? Clothes. And not revealing clothes either. Like those absurdly all-concealing multi-layered clothes that you need a chainsaw to hack through.

If you've seen enough naked women, nudity stops doing it. It completely wraps around and suddenly burkas are sexier than exposed boobs.
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Not for me. Then again, maybe that just means I haven't seen enough naked ladies, so that in turn means... I MUST SEE MORE.
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There's also extremely fancy and elaborate multi-layered clothing that hides everything except the genitalia.
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Shrapnel wrote:Anyway, I don't see how understanding your partner to lead to better sex is the same as understanding porn. As I'm a virgin, I can't really say if forming deeper bonds with a partner makes it better (although I'm assuming that it does). But forming a bond with a living, breathing person is different from forming a bond with a fifteen minute video on Redtube that your going to forget about once the deed is done. Because it's a video. It doesn't have feelings. It can't respond to your affection. It can only show one or more naked people having sexual congress.
Understanding porn could allow you to learn what sort of things turn you on, and thus, how to enjoy it better.

Also, please don't misunderstand, if you want to have romantic feelings for the people you are sleeping with, that is fine. If you want to get to know their hopes or dreams, that is fine. But I am talking about sex. If you are having sex with someone, you should talk with them about sex, because different people like different things done to them, like to different things, ect. So please, for the love of god, do not under any circumstances think that talking about romantic feelings is a substitute for talking about how rough or not rough you should be on the clitoris. That shit be important yo.
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Kaelik wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:Anyway, I don't see how understanding your partner to lead to better sex is the same as understanding porn. As I'm a virgin, I can't really say if forming deeper bonds with a partner makes it better (although I'm assuming that it does). But forming a bond with a living, breathing person is different from forming a bond with a fifteen minute video on Redtube that your going to forget about once the deed is done. Because it's a video. It doesn't have feelings. It can't respond to your affection. It can only show one or more naked people having sexual congress.
Understanding porn could allow you to learn what sort of things turn you on, and thus, how to enjoy it better.
Hm. I hadn't thought 'bout it that way, but now that I do, I can see your point. So never mind, I guess.
Also, please don't misunderstand, if you want to have romantic feelings for the people you are sleeping with, that is fine. If you want to get to know their hopes or dreams, that is fine. But I am talking about sex. If you are having sex with someone, you should talk with them about sex, because different people like different things done to them, like to different things, ect. So please, for the love of god, do not under any circumstances think that talking about romantic feelings is a substitute for talking about how rough or not rough you should be on the clitoris. That shit be important yo.
Fair point. I was getting sex mixed up with relationships (or vice versa), which is probably an indicator as to why I've never had any of either.
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Porn is fun, but to me it seems like taking lessons about how to have sex from porn is like taking lessons on how to fight by watching pro wrestling. Which is one of many reasons I end my sexual encounters with a flying elbow drop.
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Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Porn is fun, but to me it seems like taking lessons about how to have sex from porn is like taking lessons on how to fight by watching pro wrestling. Which is one of many reasons I end my sexual encounters with a flying elbow drop.
No one said at any point that you should take sex lessons from porn. People said you should take porn lessons from porn.

I also analyze what about different action movies I do and don't like, and use that to make better action movie decisions. That doesn't mean I am taking lessons on how to kill people and blow up buildings from those movies.
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