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Also true.
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I'd say ditch the core D&D races (and Orc) and go all unusual ones. So, something like: Yuan Ti, Drow, Aranea and Vaxt

Also, consider doing the Divinity Original Sin thing (where you have two PCs who you can choose dialogue for) but with all four.


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I already said I'm sticking reasonably close to the original Temple of Fiscally Irresponsible Elves, which has five races detailed with their problems, and that there's just one "outsider" character with the rest being part of the existing cultures. If this game is a big hit then maybe I'll make other games in future with crazy races and stuff, things that require more sprite work from me.

Letting the player choose dialogue options for the entire party isn't a bad idea, I suppose.
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Are you touching on the surrounding nations of Outer Derpistan? During the abortive ToTFIE PbP on this forum, I played an immigrant from the nation of necromancers where none of the young people could get jobs because they were all filled by liches, which IIRC is meant to be a comment on one of the issues facing Japan.
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It's been a while since I looked at the thread, hence completely forgetting Gnomes were part of it. I guess they'll be worked in as well, but not one of the PC choices because they're kind of annoying (admittedly I'm going by "Baldur's Gate 2, NWN and NWN 2" for this and not some universal truth based on what people have brought to actual games) and also I don't know what to do with them - Drow (and to some extent Elves) fit the "Innately magical" angle, Halflings fit the "short" angle. And their "really hates goblins hardcore" angle is honestly just taking a trait that's pretty common for all the races and dialling it up.

So back to the main point, I hadn't considered Outer Derpistan or Eastern Derpistan. I don't really intend on using them much - it's outside the scope of the game to have the players also venture into those areas, but I could certainly see bits of lore cropping up, and having some encounters involve them - like Grimsol raiding parties, or groups of Abeil who wish to liberate shards of their god from your heathen clutches.

Had I paid more attention to the other areas before setting my heart on a Yuan-ti (have I mentioned in the last ten minutes that I like snakes?), I probably would have gone with a hobgoblin from Grimsol or an Abeil from Tizzikit or whatever. Or a Lizardman from Certia, which is very close to being a Yuan-ti. But on the other hand, having the main PC being "from some distance away" means they don't know any more about things than the player.
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Okay, let's look at the areas, and some of the options for solving their problems:

Llanaden (Elves)
-enchanted leaves, hyperinflation
-Talking Head: JUST HYPERINFLATE EVEN MORE!
-Talking Head: Glen Beck Wants Gold Economy
-Talking Head: this is what happens when governments govern
-Possible solutions: change to a different currency, possibly some kind of adventurer-based thing where people delve into the dungeons of the ancient empire and find the ancient coins. It's not like adventurers need normal money anyway. Or just do a big tax drive and burn huge amounts of money. Lay down the law for what people are allowed to charge or pay for things.

Thorigram (Dwarfs)
-gold, always believe in your soooooouuul (stagflation)
-Talking Head: AUSTERITYYYYYYYY!
-Talking Head: If we all dump our silver and copper and just use gold, everything magically gets better
-Talking Head: Racism!
-Possible solutions: institute a massive mining tax and put it to use funding social programs. Personally stab the mining magnates in their fat bearded faces. Magically create gold (or take it from elsewhere) and sneak it to the poorer people to help boost consumption of basic goods and weaken the bidding power of the wealthy - place government mandated limits on pricing, on pain of Imprisonment (Sp).

Zundun (Gnomes)
-the global banking crisis
-Talking Head: I got mine, everything is fine! Keep going, fuck y'all
-Talking Head: "the economy" must be safe, infinite bail-outs I tell you!
-Talking Head: AUSTERITY!
-Possible solutions: step in and regulate the fuck out of the industry, with suitable punishments for irresponsible bankers (such as "we're taking all of your money and you are banned from working in this industry"). Set up a divination-based system of evaluating risks more accurately. "You can't just make money disappear like that. Fuck it, I'm flat-out issuing bank notes backed by my greatsword, to cover what disappeared."

Korbahl (Orcs)
-impacted mostly by other failing economies and low business diversity
-Talking Head: just overwork everyone on lower pay and raze the forests
-Talking Head: fuck it, let's just be isolationists who don't trade ever
-Talking Head: bring manufacturing here. Make it extremely cheap. Bring on child labour factories!
-Possible solutions: fix everyone else's shit. Improve business diversity with proper training to get a wider array of industries. Adventurer-based economic activity of "dungeon delving, bring awesome stuff back". Hell, charge adventurers an entry fee in gold or whatever for the chance to find magic items down there.

Lolthwyr (Drow)
-industrialisation leads to guild collapse and massive unemployment
-Talking Head: fuck it, TRADE EMBARGO! Except we'll still sell stuff, that's fine
-Talking Head: let us throw our wooden clogs at the machines and be Amish
-Talking Head: fuck guilds, fuck workplace safety and minimum wage laws!
-Possible solutions: change the rules of guild contracts to allow for greater flexibility. Throw shit at a wall until you find new industries to fill. Have the same production and the same workers, just allow the workers to basically be paid the same for doing a lot less individual work. Return to a spider-based theocracy with a chief export of crime and a chief import of "everyone else's stuff, against their will, also sacrifices"

Sweland (Halflings)
-happy anarchists break their land down into individually-owned 5' squares
-Talking Head: WAR! HOO! YEAH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? Stealing goblin land of course
-Talking Head: keep going and wait for things to get better
-Talking Head: let people starve, I'm fine and that's all that matters
-Possible solutions: Planar travel == more land. A massive plague to cut the population down to manageable levels. Start changing their system away from anarchy and generalisation.
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Koumei wrote:
With the fourth slot going to elf (Spellsword or Jester or Elementalist) or halfling (Swashbuckler or Rogue or Bard).

So for the fourth character, I'm okay with letting you guys debate and vote.

Far as 4th character goes, I'm not entirely sure what a "Jester" would do, while the Halfling's seems kind generic except that Bard sounds fun. I really did like the idea of Nebuchadnezzar's notions for passive benefits from various classes, especially someone like the Bard. Pending what the Jester & Bard can do respectively will help swing my vote to either one based on appeal.

For now I think I'd choose the Halfling in general as my vote for the 4th character. What about you guys, assuming voting didn't happen Elsweyr that I somehow missed?

Finally, Koumei if this project is still in the works, if any monetary Donation and/or Patreon like nonsense would help with this in a tangible way, I would definitely consider partaking in either such an avenue.
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So a while ago I bought RPGMaker MV. This last week I discovered that at some point it had become Linux-compatible. As such, I started work once more on Temple of the Fiscally Irresponsible Elves.

Currently: you play as the Yuan-ti, and at the start you choose between Wizard, Kensai and Ninja. I am using a stand-in spriteset but will eventually go for actual "snake head, and tail instead of feet". Already is unable to wear shoes, but able to wear tail accessories. There is a basic introductory dungeon, with Final Fantasy style Random Battles, and then the world map.

The world map doesn't have those Random Battles, though I might add them in later for perpetual things like wolves and manticores, I dunno. Instead, it has wandering events that can bump into you. If you kill them, they disappear until the next time you enter the world map. If you escape, it resets their position (and your own). These wandering groups are bandits that will no longer appear if you solve their crisis - and if your actions result in the society dying completely, they are replaced by wandering undead.

The world map has a couple of dungeoncrawl areas that you will eventually be able to enter (I'm not sure how I'll level-gate them but they're not designed yet), a few things which can provide you with items based on a d20+LUCK check for the main character, and an inn where you can learn a little info and rest.

Each of the cities/kingdoms is accessed from there, but basically opens up a new "world map" of that area. Some areas have random battles (for monsters that just straight-up live in the area), some have wandering event battles (for bandits and such that will potentially stop appearing later), some have both. As of yet, you can enter the Elven Kingdom (but no actual towns or inns or anything inside it) and the entrance to the Gnomish Bank Complex. Which I assume is a city-sized place built entirely indoors, mostly existing underground. You can meet the Halfling there (Swashbuckler, Rogue or Oracle) and learn a little more about the problems going on. That's all you can do there so far. When the Elven lands are fleshed out, you'll be able to meet the Drow there (Monk, Assassin or Warlock).

The Orcish lands are gated until you have someone else in your party to keep you safe, and that's where you will be able to meet the Orc (berserker, ranger or druid), but there isn't a map for that place yet. The halfling lands are also gated until you have someone else in the party, and I might straight-up make that "You need the halfling with you as a spokesperson". The Dwarf Fortress is gated to require the Orc (who is a recognised merchant with a travel pass to their lands), and the Underdirt will require you to have the Drow.

I thought at first that maybe I should include a male party member because I understand that men are feeling a bit left out and unwelcome in the gaming industry. But then I decided that it's not up to me to fix that. If men want more representation in games, they need to make the games themselves, not just complain about things.

That's about where it is so far. There are only a few levels' worth of skills, and only for the Yuan-ti classes, and just a few enemy types. It's all very early-stages there but there's more progress than the original project had.

I'm going for a 21 level range, with some of Yanfly's engine mods to make it more what I want it to be.

Main question I'm asking at the moment, aside from level-gating more areas, is the bit where all of the classes I listed are Medium Armour at most. It makes me wonder if I should swap out the Halfling's Swashbuckler option for Knight (riding a labrador, obviously). I'd add a fifth member, a Dwarf (Paladin, Dungeon Delver/Temple Raider, War Priest), who has Heavy Armour options all round, but justifying why the party can't have five people and needs to swap them about will be a real stretch.
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I love that this has progress, and would love to see it complete eventually.
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Koumei wrote:
These wandering groups are bandits that will no longer appear if you solve their crisis - and if your actions result in the society dying completely, they are replaced by wandering undead.

I have to say that's a genius idea and I'm surprised I can't remember anybody else doing that before.

Although on the other hand it would mean the world eventually becomes more and more of an undead apocalypse. Possible bad end if you go for multiple endings?

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The Orcish lands are gated until you have someone else in your party to keep you safe, and that's where you will be able to meet the Orc (berserker, ranger or druid),
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The Dwarf Fortress is gated to require the Orc (who is a recognised merchant with a travel pass to their lands)

It's intentional that the berseker/ranger/druid is also the respected merchant?

Koumei wrote:

I thought at first that maybe I should include a male party member because I understand that men are feeling a bit left out and unwelcome in the gaming industry. But then I decided that it's not up to me to fix that. If men want more representation in games, they need to make the games themselves, not just complain about things.

Following that I would suggest having at least one quest where you rescue a pretty prince that then becomes a support NPC sitting in some safe place. Having him in a frilly dress optional.

Koumei wrote:

Main question I'm asking at the moment, aside from level-gating more areas, is the bit where all of the classes I listed are Medium Armour at most. It makes me wonder if I should swap out the Halfling's Swashbuckler option for Knight (riding a labrador, obviously). I'd add a fifth member, a Dwarf (Paladin, Dungeon Delver/Temple Raider, War Priest), who has Heavy Armour options all round, but justifying why the party can't have five people and needs to swap them about will be a real stretch.


By the time the party has five members, give them their own stronghold and say somebody has to stay behind to oversee things?
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maglag wrote:
Possible bad end if you go for multiple endings?


Yeah, the idea is to have multiple endings, including various "You done fucked up".

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It's intentional that the berseker/ranger/druid is also the respected merchant?


Yeah, I thought it would be funny to do that. I'm open to people saying that's a bit too dumb, though.

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By the time the party has five members, give them their own stronghold and say somebody has to stay behind to oversee things?


That's a pretty good idea, actually.
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Okay, here is a summary of what is in the game so far:

The initial short dungeon. You choose the class for the main character here, and can get a few items, as well as one equippable thing, and encounter all of two enemy types (a bat and a fiery slime), probably hitting level 2 or 3 before leaving (on a 1-21 progression). Once you leave it, you can't turn back. You gain the "Camp" ability where you use up a food item to rest, with a chance of being interrupted by a random battle. Cannot be used in towns.

The world map. Has some wandering bandits that can be seen on the map there. If you get close they will see you and run at you to start a fight. If you run into forest areas they stop seeing you, and some classes have a Stealth ability that lets them sneak about in plain sight (has a visible stealth gauge so you know how long it lasts). They are already scripted such that if the "This Land is Dead" flag is set, they are replaced by wandering undead, and if the "These Problems are Solved", you just don't encounter them. There are currently two types of Orc, two Elf, one Halfling, one Gnome, and one Dwarf. And two Undead. Drow don't wander the surface because it hurts their eyes. It has entrances to a bunch of places, only three of which exist currently.

Inn: there is an inn close to where you emerge, where you can learn the state of things, based on what the inn keeper knows (not much).

Zundun: only the entrance level exists. There is an NPC who will tell you some of the problems of the gnomish economy, and the Halfling who will join your party. The stairs to the higher and lower areas don't lead anywhere yet, but it is going to be a sort of "Dungeon and also Town" deal. Some of the areas away from the light have bats in them as random encounters, and even when you go to the more populated areas, there will be alleys with random wandering monsters of the subterranean kind.

Llanaden: has a bunch of places you can't go yet, and visible wandering elf encounters (can be switched to undead or disappear), as well as two towns. The small one has an inn that accepts gold, silver, copper and ash notes, as well as a few stores that sell a small variety of things, and have the recipe (but not ingredients) to make a special magic item. I may have gone nuts with the mods and things available thanks to yanfly. There is also a vendor of relatively cheap food items (for ash notes), and there are a few places you can find items if the main character's Luck stat is high enough. The larger place lets you meet and recruit the Drow, has a bigger inn that only accepts ash notes, and has more stores, but their inventories aren't stocked yet. Once I put in the Mayor's office, you'll be able to hand in bandit leathers for wads of ash notes, but aside from that, when I make the Noble's manor (a separate town thing altogether), they'll probably be happy to trade you their ash notes for gold.

The nine classes for these three characters so far are coded in, with the basic innate traits, and with all the abilities gained up to level five. A bunch of items are also in, even several that can't actually be found in the game. Players could probably discover all the content inside half an hour, even including grinding up to fifth level or something.

Also of note: there are a bunch of trees on the world map and the Elf Land map where your Luck is tested and you can get some free food. Also the wandering encounters regenerate any time you leave and re-enter that map. And the actual currencies already exist and can be checked on your status screen, so while Gold has its own little window, you can still see your Silver, Copper, Ash Notes, Drow coin (I already forget what it's called) and bank notes. The abilities of the bandits scale *slightly* with your level (as in "they will sometimes use X ability if your level is Y or higher", that's all), and most encounters have something fancy in them - calling for reinforcements, enemies polymorphing, gaining status effects and so on.

I put in my own stat progression system, where everything other than MP and HP starts between 10 and 20, and gains 10% (round down, not including bonuses you might gain from Stat+ items later) per level. So 10 goes 11, 12, 13... 42, 46, and 18 goes 19, 20, 22... 55, 60. HP starts somewhere between 100 and 160 and increases by "about 20%" every level. MP is just a mostly straight diagonal line, on the other hand.

Equipment gives relatively small bonuses to these, such that at low levels when your base numbers are small, that +3 Attack from a long sword still means a big difference, but at level 18 your innate numbers are still making more difference than your Astral Blade.
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This sounds excellent. Anything we can do to help at the moment?
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Nothing yet. Once I start releasing playable demos I'll need people to playtest, tell me any bugs or weird things that have happened or stuff that might need balancing, and repeatedly tell me how awesome I am. Especially that last one.
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Koumei's awesome!

Speaking of which, what are you doing for art assets? I guess that's something you could ask your loyal fans for in advance, pixel monsters and whatnot. Also palette swaps.

Ditto for music, maybe somebody around here has talent with that.
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In the meantime, I'm using the stock assets (plus "character creation tool" stuff) for everything, but eventually I intend on replacing most of them with others. For art, I will at least give it a shot on my own, and for music, yeah, I'm not sure.
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Koumei wrote:
In the meantime, I'm using the stock assets (plus "character creation tool" stuff) for everything, but eventually I intend on replacing most of them with others. For art, I will at least give it a shot on my own, and for music, yeah, I'm not sure.

For music, there are sites with creative commons - free to non-commercial use music. Jamendo, por instance.

Also, you're awesome.
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This is awesome Koumei. What scale in pixels are the tiles you plan on using? I know that GM VX can have varied pixels per tile.
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Definitely cool to see this project is still going!

You mentioned you might want to customize / replace the base MV graphics you are using for the Yuan-Ti right now. Hiddenone on rpgmakerweb made some lamia sprites you might find useful.

https://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/hiddenones-mv-resource-warehouse.47255/

That's the thread, it also has some stuff you might find useful for orcs/goblins and maybe rakshasa.
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nockermensch: thanks, I'll check that out.

J_E: most tiles are 48x48 pixels. "Battlers" (the characters in side-view battle mode) are 64x64, and enemies can be whatever. Like, I could scan Pokemon collector cards and slap them in as-is if I really wanted to. Icons are 32x32.

Avora: looks cool, I'm tempted to use the Lamia there.

Now, I'm calling the Yuan-ti "Naga" in this because that's a term that isn't owned by WotC. But obviously the actual image I'm going for is that of the lamia, with a lady body on a big ole snake tail. I was tempted to go with snake face too, but the fact is, the human face allows for easily spotted facial expressions, and alongside the other "eventually..." things is "actually give them an array of expressions to make the dialogue a little less bland. There is so much "Make custom art assets for this" stuff, to be honest.
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Okay, so HERE is a zip file containing the current distribution, for Windows. If people want the Linux one I can do that, but uploading takes a while so I'll only do it if necessary.

Here is what the game actually contains at this point:
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And part 2 to the above post (WHICH CONTAINS THE LINK TO THE DOWNLOAD).

Here is some general advice and stuff:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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  • Unless it's an itended feature that wizards need to be paranoid and always check their status, Mage Armor should emit an alert when its duration expires.

  • Error Failed to load: audio/se/Attack1.ogg (when I approach bandits on the main map)

    EDIT: adding the Attack1.ogg file to the correct directory (it helps I also own RPGMaker MV) allows me to test the bandit fights. It's amazing how it resembles D&D: Whoever wins initiative will usually win the fight! (scorching ray may be a bit too awesome. Can it critically hit? Because I'm pretty sure I saw one of its bolts frying an elven mage captain for like 300+ damage).
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    Koumei
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    PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

    Weird, I don't even know how that went to the wrong folder. I'll look into that.

    To be honest, you're not even supposed to fight the bandits until you have a party of 3 and are level 4-5. Before that, losing to them is an actual thing that can just happen.

    Scorching Ray can crit. I might need to weaken it - the balancing factor is supposed to be the fact that it randomly selects targets rather than you choosing them. Naturally the smaller the pool of enemies, the less of a deal that is.

    I'll see what I can do about Mage Armour having an expiry alert.

    Edit: okay, I think the problem is that when I created the distribution, I told it to exclude unused files and it decided that file was unused. So in future I'll just tell it to include them, and hopefully that will fix it, at the cost of everything taking longer due to a larger size. I added a message for Mage Armour (does that work out of combat?), though it's worth noting that it doesn't run out on its own - it doesn't end with combat, or after X rounds or steps or time. It's just there until dispelled or you rest or whatever. I have not updated the final thing to reflect any changes, you'll have to wait until next time. In the meantime, feel free to direct all complaints to the Australian Federal Government regarding slow-ass Internet speeds.
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    Ikeren
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    PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

    Clicking too much produced a random crash in the entry dungeon. Windows 10. No error.

    Random encounters in the intro dungeon feel a bit frequent.

    2 monster types is slightly two few. 4 + a mini boss of some sort? Bats, slimes, spiders, and simple skeletons, with a spider queen?

    There looks to be stuff in the last room (Web, gold, scroll?) that I couldn't click to interact with and I thought I'd be able to?

    Frequent "Error; Failed to Load: audio/se/Attack1.ogg." errors, caused me to not get anywhere on the world map. Let me know when that gets fixed up and I'll take another look.

    Thus far, this is awesome, and I'm extremely pumped that this is a thing.
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