Raptorans

[Prak]

This all just reminds me of the Dragonwrought Kobold and how shitastic that was.

Kobolds, to start with, are basically worth roughly 1/2 of an adventurer. At best. Seriously, I'd consider letting a person play two kobolds as their character, and I'd keep an eye on whether they needed a long lost triplet to show up.

So I was all for "Kobold but better because more dragon." Unfortunately, if you just wanted a flying kobold, you had to spend two feats on it, and you didn't really get full flight until 12HD, even after dropping 29% of your total feats on it six levels ago. It was also clear that, while you could tack Dragon Wings onto a normal kobold, you were supposed to go Dragonwrought at 1st, Dragon Wings at 3rd and Improved Dragon Wings at 6th, and then still only get real full flight at 12HD. There wasn't any particular synergy between Dragonwrought and Dragon Wings, but that was the concept they were pitching, because Dragonwrought just made your a weird coloured kobold, and Dragon Wings just made you a kobold with shitty wings tacked on, but together, it was almost sort of like being a kobold with extra dragon. They could have just made Dragonwrought Kobold a subrace that gained real flight by 7th level, and it would have been fine.

[AndreiChekov]

I agree that full flight at 12HD is stupid, but if you keep all the background shit around raptorans, and just add they can fly, then they become an awesome race.

The best moment I had with them was actually the part where I read about the myth of how Lolth became the underground Godess that she is. Stevegod #1 of the Raptorans hunted her or some shit... and I don't really remember, but I liked it.

I also played a Raptoran in a pair of campaigns that ran simultaneously, where we were good in one, and evil in the other. The tribe that both of my raptorans were from were attacked, and one turned to dark gods and used their power for revenge, while the other just went insane and took levels of barbarian. All in all, it was a lot of fun, and it was mostly based on the Raptoran culture section.

[Seerow]

I also played a Raptoran in a pair of campaigns that ran simultaneously, where we were good in one, and evil in the other. The tribe that both of my raptorans were from were attacked, and one turned to dark gods and used their power for revenge, while the other just went insane and took levels of barbarian.

I'm confused which of these characters was good and which was evil.

[AndreiChekov]

I also played a Raptoran in a pair of campaigns that ran simultaneously, where we were good in one, and evil in the other. The tribe that both of my raptorans were from were attacked, and one turned to dark gods and used their power for revenge, while the other just went insane and took levels of barbarian.

I'm confused which of these characters was good and which was evil.

The barbarian was neutral, and therefore, not evil.

The cleric was definitely evil, and took the time to do evil things like casting spells with the evil descriptor.

The barbarian was only 2 levels of barbarian, and it went with the PHB2 variant, so his unbridled rage was a thing that only happened in extreme circumstances, and yes, I was guilty of gimping myself for flavour, and I was the most useless on my team. I basically flew up high and then charge pounced with 3 weapons for absolutely normal damage. two claws and 1 spear.

[rasmuswagner]

This all just reminds me of the Dragonwrought Kobold and how shitastic that was.

Wat? Dragonwrought was balls-out awesome. Turning into a Shadow Dragon hatchling with Alter Self, abusing the definition of True Dragon to qualify for Epic feats...but yeah, the intended uses were all ass.

[Username17]

Moving forward to a new edition that wasn't lame, you might as well use Raptorans as the more human of the playable flying races. They aren't actually different from Harpies, but they have tradition as a D&D playable so like the Aaracockra people would be more inclined to accept it as a playable race.

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The 4e Harpy looks just like a Raptoran, but D&D players expect a harpy to be a 4th level character.


The 5th edition Harpy is likewise indistinguishable from a Raptoran, but again has more baggage.

So there it is. Raptorans are an "It Breeds True" race for Harpies. There's a place for that. I kinda want to play a Harpy sometimes, but don't really want to pay levels for hypnotic song powers. But it's not very interesting or ambitious. And writing in the Raptorans you have one job, which is to make phased in flight feel organic and balanced. The Raptoran writeup in 3.5 failed that job totally and embarrassingly, so if you wanted to start over with Aaracockra or Aven or some kind of fairy or something, I'd understand.

-Username17

[Koumei]

I'll admit that my first experience with the word "raptor" was the velociraptor from dinosaur books as a kid, and then Jurassic Park where I was a bit puzzled about their size (but not the feathered thing, I'm not sure people agreed they had feathers back then?) The dilophosaurus was a bigger deal, what with shrinking them and then adding the (admittedly cool) frills and spit.

Anyway, the point is it was a long time before I learned, IIRC from a video game about fighter jets, that 'raptor' could refer to things other than dinosaurs.

Also, Firefox does not recognise velociraptor or raptor. I am fully disappointed.

and took the time to do evil things like casting spells with the evil descriptor.

That really speaks to the stupidity of the alignment system in a way that I can only assume was intended comic effect. Well done there if that was indeed a satirical statement.

[nockermensch]

This all just reminds me of the Dragonwrought Kobold and how shitastic that was.

The actual reason for bothering with Dragonwrought Kobolds is to make them ancient and start the game with +3 in all mental stats. You pay a feat instead of LA, which is kind of good for some character ideas.

[Prak]

Like rasmus said, there are uses for Dragonwrought (which range from "literally allowed by RAW but it'll get you 'looks'" to "maybe something says that somewhere, but no one's outside the den will let you do it") but the intended uses all suck tick dick.