[Dom4] BadNationsForBadPeople (Game on!)

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:21 pm

I might have fucked something up on my first turn file but I'll deal with it later today. I need to sleep.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:22 pm

Durrr, don't put spaces in folder names.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:26 pm

Strange, all nations submitted their turn, quickhost is on, but the turn is not processe...?

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:16 pm

Looks like the server's having a bit of a wobbly.

Shiritai · Post by **Shiritai** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:48 pm

Yeah, it's the same for all games on llama right now.

K · Post by K » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:02 pm

Turn out, literally while I was typing a "llama is borked" message.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:36 am

Hi K, can we get the nation list edited into the first post please?

Also, I've never played most of the nations in this game so I'm doing quick reviews:

K: Machaka: F3E3D2N3, with 10% +1F, +1E, +1D: Total 11
Leaders: Priest spy, tax collector (WTF is that, even?), assassin, and spider transforming mage.
Troops: Cheap archers, resource cheap low prot warriors, a decent spearman, spider cavalry, and a stealthy dual wielder.

name_here: Atlantis: W5F2E2S2, with 10% +1W, +1F, +1E, +1S: Total: 11
Leaders: Amphibious, some darkvision, poison spines (??), fortune teller, some cold resist
Troops: Various troops, none of which really seem to stand out.

Shiritai: Man: A3W1E1N4, with +10% A1, W1, E1, N1: Total: 9
Leaders: Stealthy priest, spy.
Troops: Famous longbowmen, hold the line troops for the longbowmen, and some cavalry.

Korwin: Eriu: A4W2E1N3, with +10% A1, E1, N1: Total: 10
Leaders: Spy, Glamour, Stealth, Lightning Resist,
Troops: Wow, that sucks. Sorry Korwin. The only thing that's solid in here is the glamoured stealthy sacreds --- I hope those are recruit everywhere?

Angelfromanotherpin: Shinuyama: F3W2E3D3N2, with +10% +1 fire, +1 water, +1 earth, +1 death: Total: 13
Leaders: Fearful assassin, darkvision,
Troops: Amphibious, darkvision, mediocre until the Dai Bakemo.

Ikeren: Ulm: F2E3A1S1: Total: 7
Leaders: Spy, Resource Bonus, Forge bonus, inquisitor.
Troops: Crossbowmen, all the infantry you want, Knights, anti-sacred guardians.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:38 am

And things that I'm noticing: We have Fire, Earth, Water, Air, and Nature magic in good qualities. Death is shorter (D3/D2), Astral basically non-existant (S2/S1), and blood totally non-existant.

The Crystal Throne will represent a powerful astral power up (E2S2 with easy forging of Crystal coins for S3), same with the Iron Throne (E2S2+1R), and thrones of Spring and Summer (A2N1, F2N1, I think) could provide useful diversity to a nation depending on who hits what.

Man has Little John, the Most High, Rider of Clouds, August Master, Eater of Filth, which means Air, Death, and something?

Eriu has Greenwater, Goddess of Primeval Depths, Queen of Primordial Waters, Patron of Berserkers which is Water/Fire?

Ulm (me) has The Foregmaster, Fountain of Order, He Who Makes the Way Clear, Lord of Stellar Lights, King of the Heirarchs, which I'll confirm means high order and some astral

Machaka has Simba, Prince of the World, Lord of Mountains, the Unshakable, Lord of Patience, which is Earth at least, not sure about the rest

Sinuyama has Emperor Yungchang, he who tempers the spirit, the afterthought, the armorer, and emperor of the bakemo...which means some earth?

Atlantis has Lapidus Majoris, God of invincible power, God of Gods, the Hammer of Gaia, God of Metals, Prince of Greater Earth, which I'm reading as Earth/Nature?

I'm not an expert on this, by any means. Sorry if I'm guessing wrong/and/or revealing your nations strategy in my brief summary.

Edit: Also, another analysis of what the game has:

8 Air: 4/3/1
10 Water: 5/2/2/1/
10 Fire: 3/3/2/2/
13 Earth: 3/3/3/2/1/1
3 Astral: 2/1
5 Death: 3/2
12 Nature: 4/3/3/2

Everyone has a bit of earth; lots of people have access to some Fire, Water, or Nature. Air is decently represented, and Astral and Death power is dismal, with blood again, being non-existant.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:08 am

Ikeren wrote: Leaders: Priest spy, tax collector (WTF is that, even?), assassin, and spider

normaly you need an Connection to an fort to get taxes from your provinces. An tax collector is an mobile fort for tax collection porpose.

Ikeren wrote: Korwin: Eriu: A4W2E1N3, with +10% A1, E1, N1: Total: 10
Leaders: Spy, Glamour, Stealth, Lightning Resist,
Troops: Wow, that sucks. Sorry Korwin. The only thing that's solid in here is the glamoured stealthy sacreds --- I hope those are recruit everywhere?

nope

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:14 am

One unfortunate drawback to MA Atlantis is that the mages are slow to recruit or capital-only. I'm not kidding. Literally all of them are one of those.

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:17 am

Ikeren wrote:Troops: Amphibious, darkvision, mediocre until the Dai Bakemo.

I take issue with this. The Bakemono Archer is an 8g/4r shortbowman, with stealth, forest survival, and mountain survival (and that's in a faction which has very little trouble throwing down Flaming Arrows). Undisciplined is a drawback, but a fairly minor one because you can use the Dais for targeted fire.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:03 am

I thought undisciplined troops wouldn't shoot for very long before moving to melee?

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:23 am

Not as far as I've ever seen. My little dudes fire off their 12 ammo and only move to get into range.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:31 am

Ah, I had stayed away from undisciplined archers thinking they'd just rush into melee. Whoops

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:40 am

So first black candle found, but there is an river between me and them.
Anyone allready found an neighbor?

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:40 pm

So in regards to metagame:

Is saying I've had amazing luck so far and am already super powerful, or saying I've had terrible luck and my empire has shitty low income barbarians lands and no interesting indies everywhere, going to make it less likely for people to attack me? Neither is true. Just curious

K · Post by K » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:00 pm

Well, I can say that using Pygmies as chaff to blunt cavalry charges is making me feel like a racist.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:43 pm

Pressed b by mistake, I allways forget the mercenaries...

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:16 pm

They're over rated. I'm just using them to kickstart my astral and air site searching, because knowing my luck it'll be 30 turns before I get an air or astral smith.

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:47 am

One of my human capital-only mages is diseased from old age already.

Karma is apparently a bitch.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:46 pm

Greetings Shinuyama, don't plan to get to your side of the river.

--
Eriu

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:39 am

I'm surprised that more people didn't send even a token champion to the arena.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:44 am

I was in the category of "All I have are mages with not the right combat spells."

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:46 am

So, I got a pile of militia in one of those events which serves mainly to drain your income until you can get the moochers properly suicided. Well, they were convenient to be used as fodder in overcoming a Throne province, and those little good-for-nothings actually did a really good job. They held off twice their number in barbarians and phantasmal warriors for way longer than they could have been expected to, and managed not to rout until almost all of them had died, so I don't even grudge the remainder their upkeep.

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:05 am

My god, that throne of beasts is a pain in the arse. When does it turn off? Ever? A random fucking dog killed one of my smiths. What the hell is that shit?