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So, the other day (June 30th), WotC sent an email to youtuber Lizbeth Eden saying she had violated the terms of the Wizards Creator Program, specifically by "distributing Magic content which includes photos featuring adult nudity"

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It would seem that this is in response to a fake card she and a proxy artist created-

Card below, technically nsfw, but no nipples or genitals shown. About on par with a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition photo
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But, it's potentially possible it has nothing to do with that, and is just over the fact that Lizbeth Eden has an OnlyFans. OnlyFans is sort of like Patreon, but explicitly for porn. Lizbeth Eden's OnlyFans actually contains no pornography and no nudity. It is purely bra and panty and swimsuit video clips and photoshoots. It's titillating to be sure, but it's not obscene or pornographic. I've seen ads on national TV that were more pornographic than her content.

And that content is completely separate from her Magic content. (although her youtube channel does include some videos of her trying on dresses and swimsuits and such).

So, tl;dr, a woman who received no pay or compensation from WotC, only getting a single preview card, was booted from a program because she "sexualized Magic" by making money from her tits in a completely separate venue.

Meanwhile, Magic cards like these exist-
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Special mention goes to Nimbus Naiad, which literally shows as much as Ms. Eden does in the "offending" card, and is less than 10 years old.
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All this alone would be hypocritical enough, but then you also learn that the current head of Magic story is Nic Kelman, who, in 2003, wrote a novel titled Girls: A Paean, which is literally about grown men having sex with pubescent girls. And all the molestation scenes in it are explicitly described. (Medium link, sfw)

But of course the man who wrote 230 pages of pedophile wank material isn't "sexualizing magic." Only the woman who is confident in her own body.
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Yo, titties!
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Are you asserting that you don't see a distinction between the art on her card and the official cards you showed, or just that you wouldn't draw the line where they did? Call Wizards prudish if you like, but from my perspective one of these things doesn't look like the others.
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I'm asserting that it is hypocritical of WotC to censure a woman who happens to make money with bra and panty photos completely separate from her Magic content, while also using cheesecake pictures of women, primarily drawn by men, in their cards to sell their products.

And yes, it is hypocritical, because this is a printed card from within the last ten years-
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And this is Ms. Eden's sole bit of art that combines her pinup work with her Magic content-
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There is no meaningful difference between the revealingness of these pictures. In fact, the most telling difference is that the painting was commissioned from a man by a company made up primarily of men, while the photo is the work of a woman, depicting her own body.

WotC seems to be perfectly willing to "sexualize" Magic by using the female form, but objects to actual women tying their own form to the game in anyway they cannot directly profit from.
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Universally on the side of this lady, though I don't know what the creator program is. What is she being prevented or directed away from doing? Streaming MtG or something?
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Dean wrote:Universally on the side of this lady, though I don't know what the creator program is. What is she being prevented or directed away from doing? Streaming MtG or something?
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I'm not strictly opposed to more sexualized images in Magic: the Gathering, but it's not necessarily something to be desired. If people can't play the game in public because the cards are considered 'indecent' by teachers and parents, that's a problem.

I don't know much about how one puts one's own art on a card, but I can see how putting a photograph of yourself in bodypaint and virtually nothing else crosses the line the way a cartoon nymph does not.

Personally, I think that 'equal protection under the law' means that women should be allowed to go topless everywhere men go topless, but I don't think it's weird that WotC would ban someone for making the card 'Woman of Magic'. I spent significantly more time looking at that card than any of the 'official' cards you linked (though I do remember being titillated by the Fire Elemental back in those long ago days before high speed internet).
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Ok, deaddm, I think something might be getting lost here- Ms. Eden's card not official or in print. It exists purely as a fan made card on some fan social media, it's neither in packs, nor available in any official means (ie, the only way it'd exist as a usable card is someone printing it out).
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Dean wrote:Universally on the side of this lady, though I don't know what the creator program is. What is she being prevented or directed away from doing? Streaming MtG or something?
It's literally just an in-game rewards program for streaming MtG. She's not even banned from streaming - she just can't get in-game currency for it.
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Like, yeah, it's purely a performative thing, on WotC's part. But it's performing sexism and hypocrisy.
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Prak wrote:Like, yeah, it's purely a performative thing, on WotC's part. But it's performing sexism and hypocrisy.
To be fair, you made a completely wild guess as to the specific reason WotC sent her that email. Personally, I'd bet on it being one of her YouTube videos, likely "Boycotting No Nut November!! ASMR"

Which, by the way, is in the same account as all her archived MtG streams, and is linked from her Twitch account.
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So your post said that she created the 'Magic Content' with a co-creator and you provided the image.

If I made a card like that (even if it is not official), I would expect WotC to send me a letter like that. Essentially, I think they want to encourage a fan-art community but ensure that the fan-art community doesn't damage their brand.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I certainly can imagine other reasons besides 'your career is porn adjacent' regarding why they would claim a violation of the creator program.
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I can't believe nobody's made any jokes about how the card creates white knights.
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The Adventurer's Almanac wrote:I can't believe nobody's made any jokes about how the card creates white knights.
That's obviously a joke intended by the card's creator so no one felt the need to make a joke that was just repeating the joke in the card.
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Is it obvious, though? Nobody makes jokes on the internet anymore.
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Shiritai wrote:
Prak wrote:Like, yeah, it's purely a performative thing, on WotC's part. But it's performing sexism and hypocrisy.
To be fair, you made a completely wild guess as to the specific reason WotC sent her that email. Personally, I'd bet on it being one of her YouTube videos, likely "Boycotting No Nut November!! ASMR"

Which, by the way, is in the same account as all her archived MtG streams, and is linked from her Twitch account.
I wouldn't call it a wild guess, especially given that Loading Ready Run has made plenty of no nut November and more explicit jokes in their content on the same channel as a lot of magic content they do. In fact, they are regularly profane and have a couple of weeb crew members who will make semi frequent less than oblique jokes referencing hentai (which I'm not objecting to, those are things I love about LRR).

In fact, the most recent, most peculiar piece is her card.
deaddmwalking wrote:So your post said that she created the 'Magic Content' with a co-creator and you provided the image.

If I made a card like that (even if it is not official), I would expect WotC to send me a letter like that. Essentially, I think they want to encourage a fan-art community but ensure that the fan-art community doesn't damage their brand.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I certainly can imagine other reasons besides 'your career is porn adjacent' regarding why they would claim a violation of the creator program.
I've personally made more obscene fan cards and posted them on my twitter and received no censure from WotC. If they had such a hardon for preventing the sexualization of their game, I would expect them to be scouring every such instance from the social medias.
the adventurer's almanac wrote:I can't believe nobody's made any jokes about how the card creates white knights
Honestly the better joke would be if it created minions with Goad under your opponent's control that had to target it.
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Prak wrote:
Shiritai wrote:
Prak wrote:Like, yeah, it's purely a performative thing, on WotC's part. But it's performing sexism and hypocrisy.
To be fair, you made a completely wild guess as to the specific reason WotC sent her that email. Personally, I'd bet on it being one of her YouTube videos, likely "Boycotting No Nut November!! ASMR"

Which, by the way, is in the same account as all her archived MtG streams, and is linked from her Twitch account.
I wouldn't call it a wild guess, especially given that Loading Ready Run has made plenty of no nut November and more explicit jokes in their content on the same channel as a lot of magic content they do. In fact, they are regularly profane and have a couple of weeb crew members who will make semi frequent less than oblique jokes referencing hentai (which I'm not objecting to, those are things I love about LRR).

In fact, the most recent, most peculiar piece is her card.
If you don't see a difference between some jokes sprinkled in literally thousands of hours of content, and the actual title of one video among a couple dozen, then, well, I can't help you.

This is all about optics - that's all marketing cares about. There's no carefully designed tally of violations that determines whether someone's exceeded some threshold, nor are there extensive background checks. If you want any sort of sponsorship by a corporation, you have to fit their image and play by their rules.
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I mean, you're right, it's about optics, and WotC cares more about the optics of a woman who makes a living with her tits who is very tangentially associated with their brand than listening to players, creating a welcoming environment to players who aren't white cis het men, providing the barest sliver of representation for their queer players, not providing a pedophile with a job that plenty of non pedophiles not only would kill for but are also more qualified for, or even producing a good game.

WotC booting Ms. Eden from their affiliate program is not only sexist, but belies the shittiest priorities I've ever seen.
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I kinda think the card name makes a bolder assertion than does the cheesecake. Not that anyone is honestly going to confuse some fan card as being an official naming of a spokeswoman, but if it were named Eldritch Glamour or whatever that would be one fewer ostensible objection.
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Prak wrote:The entire corporate world seems to be perfectly willing to "sexualize" products and media by using the female form, but objects to actual women tying their own form to anything in anyway they cannot directly profit from.
Fixed it for you. Wait until you hear about "every single social media and art-sharing platform". Bring your tits to advertise for us and make a customer base! Then you're fucking out of here for your salaciousness.
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As far as I can tell, WotC consistently tries to avoid pornographic or porn-adjacent imagery. Bane Alley Broker was printed a single time, in 2013. It's one of the most risque pieces of art that Clint Cearley has ever drawn for WotC, and probably one of the most risque pieces of art used by WotC in the last decade.

Nimbus Naiad is suuuuper tame compared to Woman of Magic, as are most of WotC's depictions of women. As a reference, here are the closest comparisons from THB:
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Here are some other pieces of art featuring women that are more middle-of-the-road. These are also from Theros.
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IMO characters on Theros show more skin and wear more body-fitting outfits than characters on basically any other plane, but they're not remotely close to what you're describing from Eden's OnlyFans or the Woman of Magic card you posted.

There's an argument for structural sexism in this whole debacle where society is scared of sex, and therefore parents won't associate with MtG if it's associated with sex, so WotC marketing will freak out if a content creator promotes a porn site. But this is far from hypocrisy.

Also, a note on Girls: A Paean. Kelman is pretty explicit about the fact that it portrays life from the perspective of rich, predatory men that he doesn't want to be. The controversy over "pedophile wank" seems pretty manufactured. Now if Kelman regularly promoted his book on Twitter or something, I could definitely see WotC firing him. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that WotC is the reason he prefers to mention his other work when he is interviewed.

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Wait, I'm seriously supposed to think that Bane Alley Broker is risque in any way? I've seen more revealing clothing at the mall. Good lord.
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Koumei wrote:
Prak wrote:The entire corporate world seems to be perfectly willing to "sexualize" products and media by using the female form, but objects to actual women tying their own form to anything in anyway they cannot directly profit from.
Fixed it for you. Wait until you hear about "every single social media and art-sharing platform". Bring your tits to advertise for us and make a customer base! Then you're fucking out of here for your salaciousness.
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Ok. So... I think I might be too libertine to make a proper judgement here. I literally so no difference, in terms of explicitness, between these two images-
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Anyone have the energy to explain moral guardian panic to me?
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