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The same people freaking out about Coronavirus (and enabling a lot of racism in the process here) still won't get their flu vaccinations, naturally.

Koumei wrote:The same people freaking out about Coronavirus (and enabling a lot of racism in the process here) still won't get their flu vaccinations, naturally.

Agreed. Vaccinations are much more effective when they're actually used.

But everyone knows someone who says the only time they ever got sick from the flu was also the only time they ever got vaccinated.

The year we started getting regular flu vaccines is when we stopped repeatedly getting sick from the kids at school. It feels really, really nice to not have school year = sick season.

I am also very much in favour of the decision to not allow unvaccinated kids into school / daycare / kindergarden.

Stahlseele wrote:I am also very much in favour of the decision to not allow unvaccinated kids into school / daycare / kindergarden.

Does that apply to people that legitimately can't get vaccinated, though?

If there is a genuine medical / physical reason, no.
If the reason is i don't wanna, i don't believe in it, it costs too much money, then kindly get yourself out of the herd.

Thaluikhain wrote:

Stahlseele wrote:I am also very much in favour of the decision to not allow unvaccinated kids into school / daycare / kindergarden.

Does that apply to people that legitimately can't get vaccinated, though?

I don't see why it wouldn't apply equally to everyone though? Unvaccinated is unvaccinated, no matter the reason, right? Polio isn't going to check first for the reason that it's free to spread through the daycare

Arguably, for those who medically can't be vaccinated, actually staying at home and not hanging around a whole heap of people who might be vaccinated is probably safer.

Stahlseele wrote:If there is a genuine medical / physical reason, no.
If the reason is i don't wanna, i don't believe in it, it costs too much money, then kindly get yourself out of the herd.

Well, swap "I" for "my parents". Not the kid's fault.

phlapjackage wrote:I don't see why it wouldn't apply equally to everyone though? Unvaccinated is unvaccinated, no matter the reason, right? Polio isn't going to check first for the reason that it's free to spread through the daycare

If everyone who can get vaccinated does, they aren't put at risk by people who don't because they can't, surely?

I would be incredibly distressed if a child refused a vaccination because it cost too much money.

I have seen kids do stuff like that.
Mainly class trips from school and the such.
Fortunately, not in medical things, because the german health care system works a bit better in that regard . .

You've... seen children tell adults that they can't afford vaccinations?

Are you american or do you have any other excuse for your appearant utter inability to read and comprehend 3, well one actually important anyway, lines of text?

Why yes, yes I am.

To be fair, I also can't tell which "that" Stahl hasn't seen children doing. But reading is more difficult when you miss a night of sleep.

Thaluikhain wrote:If everyone who can get vaccinated does, they aren't put at risk by people who don't because they can't, surely?

I think the problem isn't for the vaccinated, but for the unvaccinated. So if you allow unvaccinated kids to be mixin' it up in school, there's a greater risk for every unvaccinated kid there. Although I do see now how that could be sort of punishing for those who are unvaccinated because they can't be...

My initial thought about allowing "categories" of unvaccinated was that those who chose to not vaccinate would find some way to cheat the system and claim that their kid was unvaccinated by necessity and so should be allowed in school.

phlapjackage wrote: My initial thought about allowing "categories" of unvaccinated was that those who chose to not vaccinate would find some way to cheat the system and claim that their kid was unvaccinated by necessity and so should be allowed in school.

It would help if experts were involved in the crafting of laws, and lobbyists were not.

Iduno wrote:

phlapjackage wrote: My initial thought about allowing "categories" of unvaccinated was that those who chose to not vaccinate would find some way to cheat the system and claim that their kid was unvaccinated by necessity and so should be allowed in school.

It would help if experts were involved in the crafting of laws, and lobbyists were not.

In point of fact, most lobbyists are experts. That said, they have a very specific interest in the laws that make it more favorable to them. Vaccines are cheap and effective, so there isn't a financial incentive to lobby to make them more universal. Anyone who gets paid more when people are really sick does have a financial incentive to make vaccines less universal. That's why one of the most important things we can do as a society is ensure that what's good for people lines up with what's financially beneficial for other people. We're not good at that.

It's fine to sleep for ~14 hours in a day and then spend a day in a daze, right? Like, not normal, but not bad?

Yeah, that happens sometimes. In my case, when my body forcibly reminds me that my 20s are over.

It's normal to spend the day in a daze when over-sleeping.

It's normal to over-sleep if you go long stretches of being woken by an alarm.

It's normal to need woken by an alarm if you don't take time to wind down and go to sleep before you get very tired each day.

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Vaccinations work when the expected number of infections caused from each new case is less than one. In some cases that means you only need a lot of people vaccinated, like with the flu, but with measles you need over 90% vaccinated because a lot of the individual vaccinations aren't actually effective and many are still vulnerable if the infection rate gets above 1.

Plus lots of people can't be vaccinated, it's a thing, once you're allergic to any of the common preservatives it's just easier to skip over you by a long way. With measles, if many people at all outside that group fail to vaccinate, the rate of transmission gets slightly above 1 per case again and you get local measles epidemics, and it'll hit both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, including adults.

Social exclusion works for two reasons, keeping the transmission rate in schools under 1 prevents measles spreading through schools, but also people hate having their kids socially excluded and will often vaccinate them in response. This fails in groups where parents respond by socialising their vulnerable herds outside school, and those groups regularly fall to infection and are the main reserve of infection in society as a whole.

Note that in the US, antivaxxers are deliberately and carefully keeping measles alive, traveling great distances with their children to deliberately infect them, and then carefully exposing all the local anti-vaxxer's kids in turn. These are the people whose kids are being excluded. Very much cargo-cult stuff.

How do you tell if you have a fever when your "normal" is headache, being tired, and allergy-related illness? It's hot and humid now, so the sweating might be from that.

Edit: I'm not even sure why I want to know. I can't do much about it either way. Knowing why I feel like crap doesn't help, but I still want to know.

Is this a trick question? You stick a thermometer in your mouth and wait until it beeps.

Maj wrote:Is this a trick question? You stick a thermometer in your mouth and wait until it beeps.

Oh yeah, I can buy a thermometer. It's entirely possible that a person who barely remembers what they are doing isn't the best person to take care of themselves.

Or for the price of a thermometer you can take an Uber to an airport and start coughing. Just ask em what the temp is when they scan you.