[TomeRefDoc] Request for contributions

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:08 am

So we're working on the next iteration of the Awesome Tome, the "tome stuff compilation PDF" thing.

You can find it here: https://github.com/SqueeG/awesomeTome

(We don't have any new releases yet, so right now our "releases" section is just the older PDF versions.)

Anyway, this is where you all come in! The old AwesomeTome didn't actually get contribution credits for a whole lot of the things that it included. We're trying to not go that route, so we want as many of you as possible that have written Tome things to give us the go-ahead to include your stuff in the PDF compilation. When we put in your thing you'll get a credit in our OGL copyright section and everything.

Right now all we've actually got in terms of proper crediting and author permission is this tiny list:

Open Game License v 1.0a Copyright 2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
System Reference Document Copyright 2000-2003, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.; Authors Jonathan Tweet, Monte Cook, Skip Williams, Rich Baker, Andy Collins, David Noonan, Rich Redman, Bruce R. Cordell, John D. Rateliff, Thomas Reid, James Wyatt, based on original material by E. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson.
Tome of Necromancy Copyright 2006, Frank Trollman and K
Tome of Fiends Copyright 2006, Frank Trollman and K
Dungeonomicon Copyright 2006, Frank Trollman and K
Races of War Copyright 2006, Frank Trollman and K
Book of Gears Copyright 2007, Frank Trollman and K
Koumei's Compiled Tome Stuff Copyright 2006-2014, Koumei

So clearly we need more content. If you want your stuff included just post one or more links to what we can include and if you want us to credit you under a real name or your username or what.

If you know anyone who used to post here that doesn't any more but that put Tome stuff up, please ask them about this. Lots of things that we take for granted, such as a lot of the [Skill] feats and the [Elemental] spheres and such have been posted by posters that don't seem to come to this site any more. If we can't get a credit and author permission, we can't really include it in the next version of AwesomeTome. If they've already posted at some point that people can use their stuff in other things then please link to where they said that.

Please Be Aware: Once you have a thing included it becomes Open Game Content, which means that other people could pick up and edit your stuff and include it in their own OGL work as well (they'd have to carry over the credit though, just like we have the SRD credit in our PDF). The AwesomeTome project might even edit your things to make them fit in with the rest of the PDF (probably just formatting, but if we for example rewrite the Leadership rules then any class that gives a Leadership feat or Cohort might need a change).

If you're wildly averse to the idea of people potentially editing your works, then please don't have us include it.

EDIT:
The following folks have said to have their stuff included

Avoraciopoctules (any)
erik (Tome Rogue)
fbmf (any)
Frank Trollman (any)
Hicks (everything in signature)
Iaimeki (Skill feats)
IGTN (Wiki stuff, according to his page)
Josh_Kablack (any)
K (any)
Kaelik (any)
Koumei (any, but with the note to attempt to preserve non-OGL references where possible)
LR (any)
Manxome (any, but with the note that almost none of it is tested)
Prak_Anima (various)
Quantumboost (revised Path Sorcerer, initial work was by Frank)
RadiantPhoenix (any)
Shatner (any)
SunTzuWarmaster (Weapon of Righteous Destruction)
Wiseman (various)

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:22 am

Any full class Kaelik ever made. I think there's like 3 of them.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:32 am

According to the Community Repository there are in fact 7 or so: Cartharz Conduit, Elemental Siphon, Favored Souls, Force Potentate, Invoker, Storm Lord, Warlock. Along with some Tome of Trees stuff.

Which is great, but what we need is a post where Kaelik actually says something to the effect of "yeah people can use my stuff" the same way that Frank, K, and Koumei have.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:04 am

...You Lost Me wrote:Any full class Kaelik ever made. I think there's like 3 of them.

Fuck you asshole. There are lots of those.

Lokathor wrote:According to the Community Repository there are in fact 7 or so: Cartharz Conduit, Elemental Siphon, Favored Souls, Force Potentate, Invoker, Storm Lord, Warlock. Along with some Tome of Trees stuff.

Which is great, but what we need is a post where Kaelik actually says something to the effect of "yeah people can use my stuff" the same way that Frank, K, and Koumei have.

Also Cold Dude and Shadowcaster off the top of my head that aren't in that list.

But Warlock is actually not finished. and arguably not Elemental Siphon (in the sense that there are 10 and 15 level classes, but no PrCs).

And while it probably exists somewhere else: Yeah, people can use my stuff.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:07 am

Classes that only go to 10 or 15 are perfectly fine even without PrCs specifically for them. Other PrCs can usually be adapted if needed, and honestly I doubt that most games go much beyond level 10 anyway. Anyone who is running games above level 10 probably knows enough of what they're doing to make things work out.

Thank you, and noted.

RadiantPhoenix · Post by **RadiantPhoenix** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:12 am

Go ahead and use my stuff. I haven't made much, and most of it is just exercises in, "huh, is this possible?"

The things I think you might conceivably be interested in: (I might have forgotten some things)

"Adventurer" class ("does my 'things characters must be able to do' framework hold up?")
The "Level-appropriateness" feat ("how can I make any character ever nominally capable of playing the game at all levels?")
Champion of Lolth ("Spiderman")
Ludicrous Shot ("leaning out the airlock and taking pot-shots with your AK-47")
Super Jump (which was apparently not a repost)

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:15 am

Also thanks. Though, that +16 power on the Ludicrous Shot feat might be a bit much >_>

RadiantPhoenix · Post by **RadiantPhoenix** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:20 am

Lokathor wrote:Also thanks. Though, that +16 power on the Ludicrous Shot feat might be a bit much >_>

If you're a sniper, you want to be able to snipe people from at least as far away as they can charge into melee with you from in a single round, and at 17th level, that means, "anywhere in existence".

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:45 am

Can use my Tome Rogue if you want.

Include this image with Ludicrous Shot and then it cannot be omitted.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:08 am

erik wrote:Can use my Tome Rogue if you want.

Include this image with Ludicrous Shot and then it cannot be omitted.

Really shadowy. I think I like it. It's different enough that we might just include it along side the normal Rogue (as "Shadow Rogue" or something).

Sadly, I don't think the Monty Python pic will make it in...

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:52 am

I'm cool with any and all of the following being included, if they're wanted:
Hulking Berserker
Spectral Lantern (I finished the spheres, added White/Life, changed it to be non-copyright infringing-ish, and will do some descriptive stuff and a skill list momentarily)
Negative Energy Infused
Swarmshifter
Net of the Pirate Kings
Acquire Familiar feat
Implacable Stride feat
The Iron Suit, Starry Shield, and Mjolnir to compliment Hulking Berserker, if you want specific items in the tome.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:58 am

Yes... we have to come up with some sort of item model situation. Not sure what it's going to be at the moment though. I'm pretty sure there's at least two different "complete reworks" that are mutually exclusive floating around at the moment.

radthemad4 · Post by **radthemad4** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:11 am

You could put them all in as options the way the Tomes currently list the different economies, how undead can be inherently evil or just risky, etc.

RadiantPhoenix wrote:[*] Champion of Lolth ("Spiderman")

Hey, my first thread here. That brings back memories

Hicks · Post by **Hicks** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:22 am

I humbly submit everything in my signature (except for the Avatar RPG, it's not d20); especially the Mage and Scaling Magical Weapons.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:39 am

I'm working on converting the War-Arrach to tome so that it actually interacts with the Spherelock, rather than the old, shitty 3.5 Warlock. Someone will of course need to look at it to make sure my changes didn't fuck the balance.

Here's the Tome War-arach

If a version of Warlock other than the Spherelock is put into this, then I'll need tweak the war-arach again, but I'll probably just divorce it somewhat from the warlock.

Post by **fbmf** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:46 pm

If you want to use any of my stuff, go on ahead.

Game On,
fbmf

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:18 pm

I'd strongly suggest looking at Red Rob's magic item supplementary rules, and seeing if they can be included. They're somewhere in IMOI.

edit: and, possibly, Kaelik's Tome Errata

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:25 pm

Hit up Red Rob and ask him about his magic items and tome armor.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:34 pm

Hicks wrote:I humbly submit everything in my signature

Cool.

Prak wrote:If a version of Warlock other than the Spherelock is put into this, then I'll need tweak the war-arach again, but I'll probably just divorce it somewhat from the warlock.

Seems unlikely that we'll put the Sphere-lock into it, because Ceiling Cat doesn't post here any more as far as I know.

fbmf wrote:If you want to use any of my stuff, go on ahead.

Wonderful.

Chamomile wrote:Hit up Red Rob and ask him about his magic items and tome armor.

Project work is honestly quite slow at the moment, so there's plenty of time for him to finish his complete thing before we try to work that in too. Last I checked he was still working on iterations.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:34 pm

Lokathor wrote:
Prak wrote:If a version of Warlock other than the Spherelock is put into this, then I'll need tweak the war-arach again, but I'll probably just divorce it somewhat from the warlock.
Seems unlikely that we'll put the Sphere-lock into it, because Ceiling Cat doesn't post here any more as far as I know.

Ah, fair. Any idea which version of Warlock is going to be put in? I mean, the only function call it makes is the Eldritch Blast, and that's simple enough to change (fuck, I forgot to add something to it anyway...), so it could even be a standalone PrC.

edit: honestly, I think Kaelik's warlock is kind of dumb. Given the way he wrote, that almost seems to be the point. I'm sure mechanically it's great, but the fluff, in my opinion, needs to be rewritten (not demanding that you personally rewrite the fluff, Kaelik, because I know you don't care). Also adding yet another type of ability to D&D probably isn't the greatest idea.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:47 pm

Prak_Anima wrote:edit: honestly, I think Kaelik's warlock is kind of dumb. Given the way he wrote, that almost seems to be the point. I'm sure mechanically it's great, but the fluff, in my opinion, needs to be rewritten (not demanding that you personally rewrite the fluff, Kaelik, because I know you don't care). Also adding yet another type of ability to D&D probably isn't the greatest idea.

As previously stated, the Warlock is mechanically incomplete. It literally does not have abilities past like 5th level, and the abilities it gets before 5th level include a super broken no save fear effect. It should never have been included at all on that list, and I have no idea why it was, while he simultaneously also never included the classes I requested he include.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:54 pm

Ah, right. I'd forgotten that comment.

I might do a remake of Ceilingcat's Spherelock so that something like it can be included.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:04 pm

I assume that you're talking about some previous inclusion request to someone else, because we haven't even started to make any changes since this topic was opened.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:10 pm

Lokathor wrote:I assume that you're talking about some previous inclusion request to someone else, because we haven't even started to make any changes since this topic was opened.

I'm talking about the Tome Community Material Repository. You know, the one you linked to earlier in this thread as containing my Warlock.

Midnight_v · Post by **Midnight_v** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:38 pm

It'll be sad if the Spherelock doesn't make it, it was easily the best warlock build available since forever.

ah, right. I'd forgotten that comment.

I might do a remake of Ceilingcat's Spherelock so that something like it can be included.

Thank goodness.