Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:55 pm
Since when can you do group summoning?Stahlseele wrote:As opposed to getting together, summoning a great form force 20 earth spirit/elemental and destryoing whole continents using the quake power . .
Since when can you do group summoning?Stahlseele wrote:As opposed to getting together, summoning a great form force 20 earth spirit/elemental and destryoing whole continents using the quake power . .
Stahlseele wrote:As per your last post, appearantly the necros can?
So why summon a palewind or whatever nonsense that was instead of what ammounts to a magical weapon of mass destruction?
They don't use Summoning. They have a ritual spell called "Necro Summoning" which summons a spirit.Longes wrote:Necro summoning is actually ritual magic
Frank had a good explanation of the context in a SR5 post a while ago that jives with what I've seen and conversations I've had with current and past SR folks. He described it as a push-pull war between a reductionist faction (folks who want to use fewer rules and re-use them more often for related mechanics) and an obscurantist faction (folks who want to write more and more rules for related mechanics).CapnTthePirateG wrote:Um,
Can anyone explain to me why the Necro Magic tradition needs new rules and can't just be a possession tradition with a darker flavor?
Anyone? Seriously, the tradition rules are stupid.
Because they can't summon earth spirits. Stahlseele, why do you keep arguing about the material you've never read?Stahlseele wrote:Yes. So summoning it.
Does it only get that one specific spirit or can they just say:"meh, fuck it, we need somebody in that city dead, give me a force 20 great form earth spirit/elemental, walk it into the center of the city and keep using quake untill it turns into an active volcano"?
So I read what you posted, and did this.Longes wrote:The real highlights of Forbidden Arcana are:
* Romani tradition, which lets you soak drain with Willpower+Willpower.
* Draconic tradition, which lets you summon any spirit (theoretically including Shadow spirits, Shedim and any other spirit not bound to a metamagic) and soak drain with Magic+Willpower. Unfortunately you have to be a drake and SR5 drakes are even less playable than AIs.
The food duplication thing makes the laws of thermodynamics cry no matter what you do. While they have some sorta weird explanation involving time loops or some shit, the reality is that the items in question are fucking food. That means that someone is going to eat both the original and the time shadow, which means that the same one-way thermodynamic processes are being done to the same bit of potential energy twice.Stahlseele wrote:And i repeat my question about cloning food via spell:
if i eat metahumans, can i clone them with that spell?
How far up the foodchain do i have to go to make the laws of thermodynamics cry?
Your kung fu is weak, I eat exclusively orichalcum sandwiches with great dragon mousse.Stahlseele wrote:And i repeat my question about cloning food via spell:
if i eat metahumans, can i clone them with that spell?
How far up the foodchain do i have to go to make the laws of thermodynamics cry?
Thanks for reminding me why I don't go there.I love Shadowrun, but it's not gonna seem like it by the time you're done reading this.
Checkmate, Frank. Nuh-uh you can't do the Infinity Mirror trick because fuck you we are not going to actually write the rules that stop Infinity Mirror.Data Trails wrote:The crack security people of the Matrix are good at a lot of things, but seeing is perhaps their most underrated quality, because let’s face it, it’s not glamorous. But Matrix perception is about more than just having good rendering software and checking out all the icons that come into view. It’s knowing how to sort through information coming your way and find what’s truly important. There was a brief time when hackers thought they could confuse security by flooding hosts with dozens of RFID chips running silent, but once they figured out that demi- GODs knew enough to design their scans to screen for icons that were running silent and were not RFID chips, the days of that trick were numbered. That’s the part of Matrix security that too many people overlook—it’s not about just looking at reality, it’s knowing how to define reality so that what you want to see comes to the fore.
Because in SR5 you can't do that. You need a hacking (i.e. illegal) program called "Wrapper" which can only run on a cyberdeck (i.e. illegal ridiculously expensive device) and which can only affect things slaved to your deck (of which you can have Device Rating * 3, realistically 6-9 items).Stahlseele wrote:if you could simply change your gun to report as a new pair of shorts for example?
If Frank could do a drunk review of Data Trails - that'd be pretty swell. Because that book is a stinker.Wrapper wrote:Wrapper: This program overrides the Matrix’s protocols for icons. While this program is running, your icons can be anything you want them to be when you use the Change Icon action. From the lens of the Matrix, your Hammer program could look like a music file, your Ares Predator icon could look like a credstick, and your own persona could look like a Mitsubishi Nightsky. Another persona can see what the disguised icon really is with a Matrix Perception Test, but they need to at least suspect enough to check (Matrix Perception, p. 241).
What I don't understand is how you were supposed to pull out said "trick" in the first place with Shadowrun, 5th Edition. You could flood Grid (within a 100 meters radius) with dozens of RIFD chip running silent, but not a Host. Persona may enter Hosts ; Icons of the Persona are inside the Host. But Icons of Devices stay in the Grid. They don't "follow" the Persona simply because they happen to be carried by the person controlling the Persona that entered the Host.Data Trails wrote:But Matrix perception is about more than just having good rendering software and checking out all the icons that come into view. It’s knowing how to sort through information coming your way and find what’s truly important. There was a brief time when hackers thought they could confuse security by flooding hosts with dozens of RFID chips running silent, but once they figured out that demi- GODs knew enough to design their scans to screen for icons that were running silent and were not RFID chips, the days of that trick were numbered.
I certainly don't understand SR5 matrix intricacies and the writers don't either. The first fiction piece in Data Trails has the writer not understand how OS works and that you explicitly can't ever hack the Host's archive.Nath wrote:What I don't understand is how you were supposed to pull out said "trick" in the first place with Shadowrun, 5th Edition. You could flood Grid (within a 100 meters radius) with dozens of RIFD chip running silent, but not a Host. Persona may enter Hosts ; Icons of the Persona are inside the Host. But Icons of Devices stay in the Grid. They don't "follow" the Persona simply because they happen to be carried by the person controlling the Persona that entered the Host.Data Trails wrote:But Matrix perception is about more than just having good rendering software and checking out all the icons that come into view. It’s knowing how to sort through information coming your way and find what’s truly important. There was a brief time when hackers thought they could confuse security by flooding hosts with dozens of RFID chips running silent, but once they figured out that demi- GODs knew enough to design their scans to screen for icons that were running silent and were not RFID chips, the days of that trick were numbered.