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Judging__Eagle
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Koumei wrote:
Actually, Frank and I have been talking, and will specifically review 3Ed 40k. Obviously it'll take some time.


While 3e WH40k is probably a high-water mark for the franchise rules-quality, it wasn't like 3e didn't have any issues. I wonder what ideas in 3e were bad, as well as the overall good the edition achieved by trying to become less of an RPG and more of a Wargame.

The rules changes in 3e for Fragmentation grenades are one thing that gave me quite a few cases of cognitive dissonance. My units could no longer throw them for blast radius attacks; and grenades now were strictly a way to even the Initiative odds when charging fortifications. Which, iirc, isn't precisely how fragmentation grenades are often used. While meant as an anti-fortification arm for infantry, grenades tend to be used as "replacements" for going into a trench or bunker oneself and shooting/bayoneting those inside. While the depiction in 3e's rules is that of an "augmentation" to HtH combat against fortified enemies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

AH, any chance of you reviewing Guide to the Sabbat? You've brought it up in the Guide to the Technocracy review.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Which edition?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Ancient History wrote:
Which edition?


Whichever you think is more horrible?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

...that's a hard decision.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

2e horrible is kind of endearing; 3e horrible is nauseating. Pick your poison.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Mord wrote:
2e horrible is kind of endearing; 3e horrible is nauseating. Pick your poison.


... Guide to the Sabbat vs. Guide to the Sabbat?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Longes wrote:
Mord wrote:
2e horrible is kind of endearing; 3e horrible is nauseating. Pick your poison.


... Guide to the Sabbat vs. Guide to the Sabbat?

Yea. Having read both (and having both in my library right now), I can say Tthe 2e GttS is kind of endearing to me because it was a legit attempt to expand the Vampire world to a new play style. The content in this book consists of mainly new ideas written by people who had passion for the game and the concept. The content is pretty bad, yes, but the enthusiasm behind it is palpable and I find it hard to dislike on that basis.

The 3e GttS suffers from the same problem as most Vampire 3e material, which is that the overall direction has crawled up its own ass and forgotten to give anyone a reason to care. This would have been tolerable if any of the mechanics were actually better than the previous edition, but 3e takes the same broken horseshit and strips out the passion without adding anything by way of new ideas or a reason to give a shit.

The only memorable part of 3e GttS to me is the sidebar where they explictly disavow Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand. Say whatever else you will about DSotBH; at least someone involved was really excited about it. Vampire 2e had a zeitgeist that embraced this kind of thing and went with it, while Vampire 3e sits back and snidely makes fun of it in a fruitless attempt to seem more 'adult' and 'cool' about the notion of playing pretend.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

V20 recanonized the soul-eaters by the way. In their own shitty Black Hand book.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Frank and I will do Guide to the Sabbat 2E.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Maybe a OSSR of 1e/2e/3e SR? Since we have an "Drunk Review: SR 5e" I think it may be interesting to go over one of the Old-School SR Corebooks and see how they have held up, maybe with explanations of the history behind it. I at least would be interested in it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm putting in a request for 2E Drow of the Underdark. I honestly thought I already had, but I can't find it.

Game On,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'd like to hear someone's take on Underground (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_(role-playing_game)). Never got to read/play it myself, but I was always fascinated by the adds for it in Dragon when I was a kid.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Trill wrote:
Maybe a OSSR of 1e/2e/3e SR? Since we have an "Drunk Review: SR 5e" I think it may be interesting to go over one of the Old-School SR Corebooks and see how they have held up, maybe with explanations of the history behind it. I at least would be interested in it.


I too would be very interested in this.
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