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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

There used to be a torrent, but it might be defunct now. I think this link still works.
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Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Oh hi.

Please note that the "tablet" version contains organizational changes to it compared to the default version (sections are in a different order)

and also it doesn't include the rule about losing all your PP at the moment of death.
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Does anyone have access to a copy of this? Lokathor took all his AS stuff down, and I'd really like one.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/view/6wcxwv6buad16us/After-Sundown.pdf

The tablet version can be found in his github: https://github.com/Lokathor/After-Sundown/blob/master/After-Sundown-tablet.pdf?raw=true


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Are those versions up to date on all the errata?
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The mediafire one is apparently out of date. Go with the second one.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

After Sundown tablet version of pdf page 31 wrote:
Sometimes players will want to play "monster hunters" rather than supernatural creatures. For an In Media Res story about Van Helsings, Watchers, and Whistlers, it is plausible to begin the story where the characters are not magical creatures and are instead badass human Luminaries fighting against the supernatural monsters of the week. In such a case the characters don’t start with a supernatural type or any disciplines, but they still may well have Resources and Backgrounds dealing with the occult because in an In Media Res story, the hunters have already done this sort of thing at some point in the past. Hunters get an Edge of 4 and an increase of two other Attributes of their choice. However, they have no Potency stat, so their attribute maximums are still 6.

Does anyone know how much this increase to the two other Attributes is supposed to be? My best guess is that it's +1 to each, but it's kind of unclear (to me anyway).
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How much does it cost to increase an attribute or skill? Just one point, or does raising an attribute from 3 to 4 cost more than raising one from 2 to 3?
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Neither. After Sundown's advancement isn't point buy at all. Karma is used bid on cards which have discrete advancement options on them, like "+1 Strength" or "Learn a Basic or Advanced Orphic Sorcerer"
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

But during character creation, I get 5/3/1 points to spend on attributes.

So while your statement is true for in-game advancement, there is a cost to attributes during character creation....
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Costs are flat. It's like assigning dots in Vampire.
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I'm slowly learning a bit more about design for use with small publishing.

So I'm totally using this for the test copy of the second edition whenever Frank finishes it. Obviously, due to trademarks, I will have to use a different cover/image function for the cover for others to purchase.


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If I wanted to work in some iZombie to an After Sundown game, is there any particular reason Revenant couldn't be a playable splat? Maybe replacing Compel Spirits with Thaumaturgical Forensics.
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Mostly just that it would mess with the splat symmetry something fierce. That's not a mechanical problem, but it offends my psuedo-OCD.
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For a modified game, they could replace the Reborn.
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The main reason Revenants are not generally considered a playable splat is that they have no masquerade-friendly non-lethal way to regenerate PP. This could be mitigated if they're allowed to eat the brains of the dead as opposed to the brains of the living, because presumably any Troglodytes who stick around for the long haul have solved the problem of disposing of half-eaten bodies so they just need to make sure the autopsy doesn't show "brain eaten".

Alternately you could just decide that your local conspiracy of evil is willing to accommodate and cover for Revenants in contrast to the canon solution where they'd really rather Resurrect or murder you stat.
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Revenants actually do have a masquerade-friendly way to get PP: It's called vampire blood. So that isn't itself a problem. The actual problem is that they all have Master Passion Hunger, carry the Z-Virus and can't end their Hunger frenzies without murdering several people. Which, of course, raises those people up as uncontrolled Shamblers. The net result is that a Revenant is compelled by their hunger to start up a zombie uprising multiple times per year. And THAT is what is unacceptable.

A Revenant can be playable, but only if they've been Mind Rooted.
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Interesting. Following the inspiration, it means that Revenants either need to find a day job which supplies them with brains (medical examiner, hit man) or be supported by a business which provides them brains. It gets into a question of how literally we're supposed to take the monster description when it conflicts or limits the description of a feeding schedule.

If we go by the Feeding power schedule description, a Revenant can go eat a cow's brain for their power points. Actually, if we go by the description, it's not even just brains. But that way lies vampires who eat people rather than drinking blood.
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Grek wrote:
Revenants actually do have a masquerade-friendly way to get PP: It's called vampire blood. So that isn't itself a problem. The actual problem is that they all have Master Passion Hunger, carry the Z-Virus and can't end their Hunger frenzies without murdering several people. Which, of course, raises those people up as uncontrolled Shamblers. The net result is that a Revenant is compelled by their hunger to start up a zombie uprising multiple times per year. And THAT is what is unacceptable.

A Revenant can be playable, but only if they've been Mind Rooted.


This assumes that Mind Root even helps. Given that I've had it clarified (by you, natch) that it doesn't provide any kind of actual control, if "get out of Frenzy forever" was that easy you'd have everyone who knew a local Dryad queueing up and no Dryad would frenzy ever because presumably you can root yourself.
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As far as death and human misery goes, Tobacco is basically World War II grinding on forever with no real sign of stopping in our life times. Death camps and nuclear bombs and stuff are certainly dramatic, but public health crises are always and forever bigger than wars on the global scale.


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Well, there's the obvious downside of never feeling any emotion or passion ever again.
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Grek wrote:
Well, there's the obvious downside of never feeling any emotion or passion ever again.


If you are incapable of feeling down about it then it's not really a downside for you. Sure it'll lead to trouble for your loved/hated ones but you don't care anymore.
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Grek wrote:
Well, there's the obvious downside of never feeling any emotion or passion ever again.

If you are incapable of feeling down about it then it's not really a downside for you. Sure it'll lead to trouble for your loved/hated ones but you don't care anymore.

If you'll be incapable of expressing preferences, including for your own continued survival, you won't consider it as an acceptable solution in the first place.
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Starmaker wrote:
OgreBattle wrote:
Grek wrote:
Well, there's the obvious downside of never feeling any emotion or passion ever again.

If you are incapable of feeling down about it then it's not really a downside for you. Sure it'll lead to trouble for your loved/hated ones but you don't care anymore.

If you'll be incapable of expressing preferences, including for your own continued survival, you won't consider it as an acceptable solution in the first place.

While I have vague, possibly confabulated memories of some experiment which convinced neuroscientists or possibly psychologists that humans are unable to have a preference for their own survival if literally all their emotions are turned off - this is a horror game. There is a demand for horror stories with emotionless villains, and indeed Evil Plants are explicitly "completely emotionless" while also being villains with agendas and somewhat thematically linked to Dryads. So, clearly in After Sundown it is possible to be completely emotionless and yet still retain a set of goals and preferences.
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As far as death and human misery goes, Tobacco is basically World War II grinding on forever with no real sign of stopping in our life times. Death camps and nuclear bombs and stuff are certainly dramatic, but public health crises are always and forever bigger than wars on the global scale.


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I think it's fair to say that "emotionless" in this context refers more to a depressed fatigue that makes everything feel numb and wearying as opposed to literal emotionlessness.
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