silva is a shitweasel (silva stay out)

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon May 04, 2015 11:28 am

silva is a shitweasel who is always wrong. He is a liar and also dumb.

Is he really a liar? Yes.
Is he really a stupid person who has stupid ideas? Yes.

Take this latest "directive" shit he's been gibbering about. The fact is that the directives of the shitty games he likes are horrible. They direct you to shit all over player agency all the time. They direct you to introduce sexual elements of narrative involving other peoples' characters without getting affirmative consent. They are disgusting, and the people who like them are disgusting. silva is a disgusting person.

Also, if a game gives directives like "do something awesome" and the rest of the procedures don't support that at all, then your game sucks. We're at simple contradiction, which means that everyone who plays the game has to be either canceling the directive or canceling the procedure. Anyone who plays the game at all is having to rewrite the rules themselves. Any defense of that is an Oberoni Fallacy at best.

Bottom line: silva is a chuwero who eats shit and fucks shit. Stop responding to his fucking shit eating threads.

-Username17

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Mon May 04, 2015 11:49 am

Lame. I give this thread a 0/10.

Omegonthesane · Post by **Omegonthesane** » Mon May 04, 2015 12:09 pm

I was rather under the impression that directly discussing or quoting someone overrode the "X keep out" tag...

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Mon May 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Silva fulfills a role vital to TGD's ecosystem:
http://www.tgdmb.com/posting.php?mode=q ... 06[spoiler]

violence in the media wrote:Honest question Silva: why do you buy and play games at all? Make Believe costs nothing and supplies everything you say you want, so why are you bothered that many other games are written for people that want more than nothing?

spongeknight wrote: In the meantime, stop shitting up our forum with all your "rules are bad!" bullshit. We like rules here, you don't like rules, there are games for each of us and you don't like our games, so please just fuck off and find a friendly Munchausen forum where they will welcome your ideas with open arms.
Because this is the true face behind every Silva thread on the Den:
Silva wrote:
L-let's talk about '___ World'~
If Silva wanted to have friendly discussions on RPG's like ___ World then he would be posting on those forums you mentioned, but he doesn't because that's not what he's looking for. Silva is a masochist for verbal humiliation and wanders back to TGD whenever he wants a hot load of rage dumped on his face as he makes this expression: ":drool:"

A lot of folks here on TGD like it 'cause you're free to be more 'sadistic' in replying to others than on most other forums, with the ultimate goal being facilitating honest discussion of game mechanics without being burdened by passive aggressiveness.

Silva is here for the sadism directed at him and nothing else. Whether its starting a new thread with an antagonizing premise, or interjecting himself to an existing thread with an antagonizing reply, everyone immediately drops what they were discussing and proceeds to circle up and gang quote-reply him:
Everyone else on TGD replying to Silva wrote:
and thus his desires are fulfilled

If you really think he's shitting up the Den, then just hit 'ignore', as otherwise you are just a participant in his perverse desires.

...or maybe that is the ultimate structure of the Den, with the banning of one Shad comes the rise of another to take their place, the pariah that gives unity to an otherwise argumentative group.

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Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Mon May 04, 2015 12:29 pm

What, really? You're throwing a tantrum over this? Silva's already a universally despised poster here but you are actually so petulantly incapable of following your own advice that when he starts a thread criticizing your ideas and specifically tells you to stay out you instead create a completely different thread just to rage at him. Not because there is an even tiny chance that anyone will ever take him seriously. The only people who do not have him on ignore are the ones who enjoy arguing with someone they need not fear will ever make a solid counterpoint or have the support of bystanders. There is no possible reason to start this thread except a pathological incapability to avoid reading and responding to arguments you do not like, even when those arguments very clearly have absolutely zero traction with anybody who did not originate them. Like seriously get a therapist or something.

angelfromanotherpin · Mon May 04, 2015 12:32 pm

I'm with Frank, but for a very specific reason: silva doesn't learn. The issue of player vs GM agency in bear world games was discussed at great length in previous threads on the subject, and silva not only pretended he'd never heard any of the previous criticisms, he started an entire new thread so that they could be explained to him. Again. For like the fourth time.

Either silva has some inability to process or recall criticisms of his pet system, or he's just feigning cluelessness to troll people. Either way, the solution is not to respond to him.

Tearing down his delusions once is a worthwhile exercise. More than that is a waste of everybody's time.

PhoneLobster · Post by **PhoneLobster** » Mon May 04, 2015 12:39 pm

Look, Silva is a troll.

You people feed him. A lot. So he comes back for more.

Remember when I outed him for copypasting his troll thread openings on every forum on the internet?

That was some pretty hard evidence he was either a troll or some sort of deeply insanely counterproductive "promotional troll" or some shit.

Well. He no longer transparently does that.

Now he ONLY posts under this name with the exact text of his trolling posts HERE on the Den.

Why?

Because the troll can get a reliable feed here. Time and again, relentlessly and in volume.

Every other place on the internet has since then either banned him or failed to feed him enough to satisfy his trollish lust for attention.

Except you guys.

With stuff like this thread. Or I don't know the 8+ pages you fed him on the last one?

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Mon May 04, 2015 2:11 pm

Omegonthesane wrote:I was rather under the impression that directly discussing or quoting someone overrode the "X keep out" tag...

Yeah, I though FBMF specifically said not to do that.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Mon May 04, 2015 2:40 pm

Chamomile wrote:What, really? You're throwing a tantrum over this? Silva's already a universally despised poster here but you are actually so petulantly incapable of following your own advice that when he starts a thread criticizing your ideas and specifically tells you to stay out you instead create a completely different thread just to rage at him. Not because there is an even tiny chance that anyone will ever take him seriously. The only people who do not have him on ignore are the ones who enjoy arguing with someone they need not fear will ever make a solid counterpoint or have the support of bystanders. There is no possible reason to start this thread except a pathological incapability to avoid reading and responding to arguments you do not like, even when those arguments very clearly have absolutely zero traction with anybody who did not originate them. Like seriously get a therapist or something.

No, Frank's cry to "stop feeding the fucking troll" is spot on. The only acceptable response to silva at this point is derisive mockery until you earn a spot in his thread titles and/or crickets chirping until he goes the fuck way. Not because he's an idiot, but because at this point it's just fucking spam.

Excluding the latest thread, silva has started eight threads in the past seventeen days, six of which are two pages or less (four of which are one page!). Silva has made two bear world threads this month. You will note that it's the fucking fourth. He made the first bear world thread in order to fork an argument from the Bears in the Deep thread to "protect" it from being derailed. Since doing so, the new thread has gotten two pages worth of posts and Bears in the Deep has gotten maybe half a page. He made the second bear world thread in order to fork an argument from the first bear world thread I just fucking mentioned to... protect a bear-world thread from being derailed by arguments about bear-world? Since doing so, the new bear-world thread has gotten two pages worth of posts and the first bear-world thread has gotten two - just two.

Silva is straight-up spamming the board with bait at an average of one bait thread per two days, and then when people take the bait spamming new threads through which to drag them on his fishing line. 95% of silva threads are either 1) some inane question that is very obviously meant to trigger a general rules-lite discussion that could turn into a bear-world thread, 2) shilling for some rules-lite game that could very easily turn into a bear-world thread, or 3) a bear-world thread. You fucks need to stop feeding him so he'll stop making the same fucking thread every two days in the hopes that this time it'll get the attention he wants.

Zaranthan · Post by **Zaranthan** » Mon May 04, 2015 2:44 pm

It seems the only correct answer is to not only Ignore silva, but also to Ignore the people who insist on talking to silva. IMHO is gonna get lonely for a while.

Schleiermacher · Post by **Schleiermacher** » Mon May 04, 2015 3:12 pm

...Really, Frank? I thought you were better than this.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon May 04, 2015 3:19 pm

Schleiermacher wrote:...Really, Frank? I thought you were better than this.

Better than what?

We have an acknowledged lying troll who lies and trolls on this board. He contributes absolutely nothing, refuses to acknowledge even the most basic points he's been corrected on repeatedly, and he's been exhaustively shown to be lying about even extremely trivial crap. He isn't actually better than those people who spam the board about budget UK furniture or lost cost designer watches.

The only difference between silva and PAYLES4GOLD47645 is that inexplicably silva's posts aren't deleted by the admin and people respond to him like he was a genuine person and not an adbot. That has to stop. It's cluttering up the board.

Stop talking to silva. He won't learn. He won't grow. He's not even after learning or growth. One hundred percent of his purpose on this board is to troll for comments and shill shitty games. That's it. That is as far down as the rabbit hole goes. He is literally a worse person than shadzar. Stop feeding the troll.

-Username17

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Mon May 04, 2015 3:46 pm

Oh, for fuck's sake. Silva is a troll. He made a bear-world thread to talk about the bear-world thread that he had made two days earlier. How much shit does he have to clutter the board with before people agree he needs to not be fed until he wanders off?

Even if we aren't going to ban him (because he's not breaking any rules) or starve him of the attention he wants (because there might be a bear-pun someone hasn't made yet, how can we stop now), at the bare minimum the flurry of redundant and pointless threads (which are apparently all going to have [people reminding everyone I'm a troll stay out] appended onto them from now on) needs reigned the fuck in. Silva took a single bear-world argument and spread it out over three threads (and it's not the first time he's done so) because he is an obnoxious troll with shitty forum etiquette. If you don't care about the troll part, fine, but the obnoxiously shitty forum etiquette is getting more than slightly ridiculous.

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:11 pm

I was going to make this exact thread. It needs to be made. On the front page Silva now has 1 thread of his to 5 threads of anyone elses. No one shows up here to have a front page with more Silva than Frank, AH, K, or Koumei nevermind more of them than all of them put together.

Silva is just a shadzar. I said we should ban shadzar when it was obvious he didn't give any fucks about communicating with anyone or our rules. There's no point in waiting for Silva to get bored some weekend and inevitably get banned for trolling too hard. Silva has been kicked out of everywhere else and we let him clutter shit up here and troll us and there's no purpose to it. Shadzar added nothing and we should have banned him years before we did, Silva adds nothing and we should ban him because there's no point in waiting two years before his trolling gets truly unbearable and ban him then.

Also fun fact: Silva has posted in every single "Silva stay out" thread ever. In one of mine he was told to stay out three times and kept posting. If he posts in this he will maintain a perfect score. He trolls our rules, he trolls this thread, he trolls us and we lose literally nothing by losing him. He's not contentious but occasionally interesting he's just new shadzar; a useless waste of time who's now making more threads than anyone. Fuck him, I'm tired of him.

K · Post by K » Mon May 04, 2015 8:01 pm

I don't think he's a troll. I think he's the actual creator of bearWorld and he is on a purposeful mission to sell his shitty game through viral marketing.

This means he's a spammer, and he needs to be banned just like the people offering cheap handbags and discount black magic and boner pills.

Count Arioch the 28th · Mon May 04, 2015 8:52 pm

Silva might be a shit but this thread is petty.

Schleiermacher · Post by **Schleiermacher** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:06 pm

My point exactly. The argument in the OP about "directive" rules is on point even if it didn't really need a new thread, but starting a "No Silvas allowed"-thread where you talk about what a shitfucker Silva is can't really be taken as anything but juvenile antagonism.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:46 pm

I wouldn't have known about Bears in the Deep if not for Silva. I kind of enjoyed reading it and writing my review. Evidently the discussion may have jogged Frank's memory on ideas to do with heartbreaker design. Also, for this latest round of bear world arguments, I went back and re-read it more closely and discovered that bear world really is far worse than I thought. I was planning to write some of that up. I applaud PhoneLobster's investigation work -- that is hilarious and good to know. I know that Silva is a liar and a troll.

I guess my question is, how do we know that this lying troll isn't a net benefit?

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Silva is not Vincent Baker. I've spoke with the designer of AW online. He is much like Frank in that he has a strong personality and extremely distinctive speech patterns. I find it hard to believe that he could pull off a sock this well, and also hard to believe that he would be motivated to do this when he could be basking in the praise of his fans.

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:51 pm

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Silva might be a shit but this thread is petty.

Fuck your concern trolling. I'm not kicked out of Silva's threads and I was going to make this identical thread. It's not petty it's correct. It's also not the first thread specifically made about Silva being a pagespace wasting troll, so that's noteworthy. I think Whipstitch was the last one to make a thread about Silva being a valueless piece of shit which also filled with a bunch of people saying "Yeah that's all true but don't SAY it". Fuck yourselves. Silva is a multiple threadshitting copypastaing shill for a game system no one wants to hear a single other word about and which multiple people have started threads to ask why his blatant trolling is tolerated.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:54 pm

Okay, when I posted, I hadn't seen the new "directive rules" thread. That one should never have existed because there was no reason to split it from the gm drive/ pc driven thread. For what it's worth, I found the gm/pc driven thread helpful in clarifying my thinking, and I would have been happy to post once or twice on procedures/directives in that thread before concluding Silva wasn't going to get it.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:58 pm

Reading Silva's posts is a waste of time. But Prak's recent post on the difference between Directive Rules and Procedural Rules was worthwhile. So, it's hard to say Silva is entirely worthless. His direct contributions are negative, but some of the responses to him have had a net positive contribution.

Still, I think the comparisons to Shadzar are unfair. Shadzar was way better than Silva.

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Mon May 04, 2015 10:01 pm

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Silva is not Vincent Baker. I've spoke with the designer of AW online. He is much like Frank in that he has a strong personality and extremely distinctive speech patterns. I find it hard to believe that he could pull off a sock this well, and also hard to believe that he would be motivated to do this when he could be basking in the praise of his fans.

Didn't Phone, post a link to a thread where Vincent got mad at Silva or something like that?

Still, I think the comparisons to Shadzar are unfair. Shadzar was way better than Silva.

I don't know about that. I haven't heard Silva say racist or other shit heel things about people.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon May 04, 2015 10:07 pm

I have long suspected that silva uses TGD the same way UK furniture bots do.

It is also painfully obvious that he is like a fucking PR, in that he trolls the actual rules as much as possible. I mean for god sakes, you concern trolls are bringing up the "shit talk someone or quote them" exception to thread lock outs when Silva literally started a thread to respond to Frank in a way that Frank couldn't respond back. That was literally his point. Before he was corrected, he basically wrote [anyone who disagrees with me about anything stay out] in a thread title.

This guy is going to force us to come up with 14 more rules just to prevent him from abusing the current ones.

Or hey, we can use the DIRECTIVE RULE that when someone tries to lock people out of a thread just so they can talk shit about their ideas, and not their person, without a response, they are still full of shit, and anyone can post in the thread.

Or we can just use the procedural rule: Ban fucking adbots.

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Mon May 04, 2015 10:10 pm

deaddmwalking wrote:it's hard to say Silva is entirely worthless. His direct contributions are negative, but some of the responses to him have had a net positive contribution.

This forum is filled with extremely intelligent people. ANY conversation where they are allowed to speak will generate some interesting points over enough time. It's not causal. You're in total post hoc ergo proptor hoc territory. Keeping silva would be like doing rain dances. You do rain dances and later the rain comes. We like the rain so we might as well keep doing the rain dances, right? Can't hurt? No it can, it's a pointless waste of time that distracts from other endeavors. The same smart people would be saying smart things in other threads, just with a higher signal to noise ratio.

Aryxbez · Post by **Aryxbez** » Mon May 04, 2015 10:11 pm

Well, least when I made an embarrassing rushed effort to analyze Silva's flawed viewpoints and being. My thread got moved and somewhated condemned as well, so least I can feel consolation in the lack of a double standard here for that (since I can't find it, I assume it got deleted, so yay!).

So then, to the many people saying this, why is this thread considered "petty", "lame", "a tantrum", and so on? Is it the implication that this becomes a regular operating procedure once people are disagreeing with each other enough or some such?

As been shown on the Silva front, he seems to ignore lot of discussion that would get his points moving forward, and him possibly learning things. I feel like he hides behind the "language barrier" too much, either get a translator, or preface in your sig the difficulty of your understanding english written text. He also tries to conclude that our mindset is "wrong" for the discussion, and therefore his is right for it, and thusly why our discussions with him don't go anywhere. Thinks he believes in "new and hip" paradigms, despite them being the stuff of the 80's. Finally, he seriously needs to stop shilling for products he likes, its very blatant when he does, and I imagine he'd be best served to have a thread of his own for that sort of thing.

I suppose I still discuss with him on occasion, in the hope that a more "layman" discussion with him will help see eye to eye. Course then, after a second response, he stops responding to the discussion, turning what could've gone somewhere into nothing.