Tome game, Again, exactly like every other time.

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:21 pm

I third Maelstrom. Reminds me of this: http://fightingfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/D ... eep_(book)

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:24 pm

Okay, don't know what the hell happened to that post.

http://fightingfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/D ... eep_(book)

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:26 am

JigokuBosatsu wrote:Okay, don't know what the hell happened to that post.

http://fightingfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/D ... eep_(book)

Looks interesting, but I have no intention of an NPC the group kicked off a boat coming back with an army of skeletons to maroon them in turn. At least, not in the context of a fairly self-contained dungeon crawl.

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Sorry I haven't posted sooner, I got engrossed in a Phoenix Wright game. I'll post a fuller module summary later but for now, I'd like to see which of the following 3 is preferable.

1. The PCs are going to the Temple of the Maelstrom more or less independently. They have a fully-crewed ship for transportation, but will be on their own once they get there.
2. The PCs are sponsored by a nation. They have 2-3 ships and several dozen soldiers under their command, and they have a decent support base outside of the dungeon.
3. The PCs are working with a moderately suspicious wizard who has invested a significant amount of resources into their expedition in exchange for a large share of whatever the profits are. 1 really nice ship and a bunch of disposable zombies or something that could set off traps or slow down enemies.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:29 am

Depends on what the soldiers include, I suppose.

But I'm playing a githyanki, so I'll just roll with whatever.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:19 pm

I'm play a pathological Bastard who will murder any soldiers or zombies that are under our command, to make us a dungeon crawl, because I hate it when DMs get all obsessed about how many level 1 warriors the PCs can command, like they are actually worth spending even six seconds calculating their effect on any battle ever.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:26 pm

Kaelik wrote:I'm play a pathological Bastard who will murder any soldiers or zombies that are under our command, to make us a dungeon crawl, because I hate it when DMs get all obsessed about how many level 1 warriors the PCs can command, like they are actually worth spending even six seconds calculating their effect on any battle ever.

They'd be worth more than sending into traps if they weren't -just- soldiers.

But, yeah Av, take heed here. Might as well do without the help

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:22 pm

Avoraciopoctules wrote: Looks interesting, but I have no intention

DERD NU HENO! You'll take your skeletons and you'll like 'em! Besides, my alhoun can't be bothered with petty undead. He's more concerned about his fish-out-of-water buddy comedy with the gith!

Seriously, though, I was just suggesting that FF book for atmospheric purposes. As far as your options, I would say #1 as well. Keep it simple.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:41 pm

Very good then, I think I know how I could play this.

Long ago, the Sea of Tempests was a pretty unpleasant place. As the name suggests, it was full of near constant storms, some of which were controlled by voracious air and water spirits. Only the most daring sailors from the nearby nations of Marignon and Jomon tried to navigate through the area.

This changed when Jomon managed to strike an alliance with the most powerful of the sea spirits. A great underwater temple/palace was built as a symbol of the peace between the 2 groups, and storms began to avoid Jomonese ships. To make up for this, some came onto Marignon lands and caused unprecedented damage. Marignon responded by sending a legion of its finest marines to take over the temple and summon a bunch of oceanic demons, making the Sea sucky for everyone again and creating the worst "storm" yet, a demon-infested whirlpool called Charybdis. About a hundred years ago, some dudes managed to temporarily stop all the havoc by sealing everything in the temple, but they died.

This is only tangentially important to you. That temple is full of all kinds of treasure and stuff to stab in the face. There are a bunch of idiot adventurers who went there and died, leaving their stuff behind, so its like getting paid twice! And there's something political going on with the potential for ritual super-magic, but you can just ignore that, probably. This is the best time to go, since the rising storms are just powerful enough right now to minimize competition.

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PCs should be level 7, with the following array for base ability scores:
14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 16

1 Lesser, 5 Minor magic items. "Some" gold.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:34 pm

5 14s and a single 16? Am I reading that right? 5 identical stats?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:12 pm

So... 1) I declare my 16 to be an 18. And I won't have all 14s. Because that's silly.

2) I declare the statement about items to be 6 minor items, because lesser items don't exist, nor basic items. Only minor, medium, and major.

3) Unless someone wants to throw a shit fit, I would like to play my Invoker class. It's the one everyone bitched about being too powerful.

If that's not okay with everyone, I can of course find another class.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:25 am

ubernoob wrote:5 14s and a single 16? Am I reading that right? 5 identical stats?

Fo' Rizzle. Not taking racial / item mods into account.

No old age modifiers, no inherent bonuses at game start

Kaelik wrote:So... 1) I declare my 16 to be an 18. And I won't have all 14s. Because that's silly.

This point is nonnegotiable... unless you want me to bump my Gygaxian Asshattery stat up 6 points. I don't think you want me running this game solely for the lulz.

Kaelik wrote:I declare the statement about items to be 6 minor items, because lesser items don't exist, nor basic items. Only minor, medium, and major.

Learn2read.

http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Book_of_Ge ... Magic_Item

5 Magic swords, 1 Magic Flame sword

Kaelik wrote:3) Unless someone wants to throw a shit fit, I would like to play my Invoker class. It's the one everyone bitched about being too powerful.

If that's not okay with everyone, I can of course find another class.

Learn2hyperlink

http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=50976& ... highlight=

No comment on the class, you can play it unless there are 2 objections from other players.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:49 am

Avoraciopoctules wrote:This point is nonnegotiable... unless you want me to bump my Gygaxian Asshattery stat up 6 points. I don't think you want me running this game solely for the lulz.

I would like to emphasize that you are literally the third most retarded person posting on this forum. And shadzar and Plebian still post here.

Learn to Point Buy.

Hell, why not give everyone only 14s, if that extra +1 stat is going to ruin the game, surely the +1 of having a goddam super broken 16 will also ruin your game.

That way, instead of having one decision about our stats, we can have zero decisions at all, and that will be much closer to the type of game you prefer.

Avoraciopoctules wrote:Learn2read.

http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Book_of_Ge ... Magic_Item

5 Magic swords, 1 Magic Flame sword

Learn to read and hyperlink. Item rules that actually make sense and aren't retarded, and/or incomplete.

Any item that only provides numeric bonuses is fucking retarded.

Doubly so because those rules allow for the following magic items, that are both minor:

1) A sword that only adds +3 to attack and damage.
2) An item that casts Heroism on the entire party an infinite number of times. Replace Heroism with Haste, Recitation, ect, basically any low level spell with a numeric effect.

Any time you have a magic item which only provides a numeric bonus, you are wasting everyones time with your bullshit.

And because you are full of bullshit, you think a level 7 party should have only bullshit items, because a level 9 party has infinite "Lesser items" or hell, if Invoker is allowed, I started fabricating at level 5, and now live on a mountain of cash, which I used to buy Lesser items for the entire party.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:32 am

JigokuBosatsu wrote:
Avoraciopoctules wrote: Looks interesting, but I have no intention
DERD NU HENO! You'll take your skeletons and you'll like 'em! Besides, my alhoun can't be bothered with petty undead. He's more concerned about his fish-out-of-water buddy comedy with the gith!

Seriously, though, I was just suggesting that FF book for atmospheric purposes. As far as your options, I would say #1 as well. Keep it simple

Sure, I'll see if I can look the book up. I could definitely use more ideas for sub-oceanic stuff. And alhoun... those are Mind Flayer liches, right? Sounds cool. How would you go about building such a character?

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:59 pm

Wait, that stat array? It's a nice stat array, but it would make us pretty cookie-cutter. And would look very silly when all the character sheets are posted

At least let us shuffle some points around--you have MY word at least that I won't go over an eighteen before racial/items and there will only be one such eighteen. I'm playing a melee-type, for heaven's sake--and one with a sphere, so my MAD is a little higher than normal. If you want the characters to be above-average, I won't go below a 10 on the point-reshuffle.

I'm really iffy on the items. If nothing else, being able to arrive with Bling of Waterbreathing would be helpful, but those would be a Lesser item property and sort of problematic when my character comes with a magic silver bastard sword with Ghost Touch already on it, as a class feature (yes, I am counting that against a slot, by the way). I would say let us at -least- have three lesser items. And we can bling out when we find Adventurer bodies.

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:35 pm

As far as the alhoun goes, I was just trying to think of a suitable Cousin Larry to Maxus' Balki. And therefore joking. But if I can think of a way to make it work, I will, because that would be exceptionally perverse.

I have put my 2 copper on the stat array as well- it does seem awfully generic.

EDIT: According to Monsters of Faerun, illithid liches like soup. I'm not sure if I can state how awesome that is.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:17 pm

Maxus wrote:Wait, that stat array? It's a nice stat array, but it would make us pretty cookie-cutter. And would look very silly when all the character sheets are posted

JigokuBosatsu wrote:I have put my 2 copper on the stat array as well- it does seem awfully generic.

If both of you would like more statistical diversity, then I'm willing to go with something else.

However, the reason I was insisting on such universally high ability scores was that there would be a number of monsters and traps that dealt different types of ability score damage. I could make some changes to that, I suppose.

Maxus wrote:At least let us shuffle some points around--you have MY word at least that I won't go over an eighteen before racial/items and there will only be one such eighteen. I'm playing a melee-type, for heaven's sake--and one with a sphere, so my MAD is a little higher than normal. If you want the characters to be above-average, I won't go below a 10 on the point-reshuffle.

Alright. I strongly suggest you stick to 12 minimum in each stat, but I think that you've convinced me of the merits of improved customizability otherwise.

40 point buy, with the suggestion that you have some way to deal with lots of ability damage.

Maxus wrote:I'm really iffy on the items. If nothing else, being able to arrive with Bling of Waterbreathing would be helpful, but those would be a Lesser item property and sort of problematic when my character comes with a magic silver bastard sword with Ghost Touch already on it, as a class feature (yes, I am counting that against a slot, by the way). I would say let us at -least- have three lesser items. And we can bling out when we find Adventurer bodies.

Sure, that seems reasonable. In fact, taking Kaelik's point about the boringness of straight numerical enhancers into consideration, I might be willing to bump all the PC starting items up to Lesser and just improve the treasure you find.

JigokuBosatsu wrote:As far as the alhoun goes, I was just trying to think of a suitable Cousin Larry to Maxus' Balki. And therefore joking. But if I can think of a way to make it work, I will, because that would be exceptionally perverse.

EDIT: According to Monsters of Faerun, illithid liches like soup. I'm not sure if I can state how awesome that is.

7 levels of some arcane class. One feat for mind blast, brain eating, and some other psionics. Another for undeath, resilience, and some kind of paralyzing touch.

Both feats would scale, and you'd have the level 1, 2, and 6 abilities.

In one old AD&D computer game, you have to fight a bunch of illithids. One key to making the battle easier is poisoning their soup. The 2nd Dark Sun game, I think.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:45 am

Point of order, you said something about "no inherent bonuses" did you mean that to include the ones that everyone gets for free with their fourth HD.

HP?

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:31 am

Kaelik wrote:Point of order, you said something about "no inherent bonuses" did you mean that to include the ones that everyone gets for free with their fourth HD.

No, I mean the Inherent bonuses people get from using Wishes for stats. Also some magic books. You get your +1 at level 4, and you also get the Enhancement bonus from any stat booster items you are using.

Kaelik wrote:HP?

People should either maximize their HD or take the average. I'm leaning towards maximizing, but either is fine.

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:47 am

I'm going to try to stat up a non-cheezy alhoun archlich tonight. And Maxus and I are already working on going through with the buddy comedy angle. We may need a straight man, Kaelik.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:59 am

JigokuBosatsu wrote:I'm going to try to stat up a non-cheezy alhoun archlich tonight. And Maxus and I are already working on going through with the buddy comedy angle. We may need a straight man, Kaelik.

We could use a fourth man, too.

As near as I can tell, it's me, you, and Kaelik.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:06 am

Uber did express interest, and posted as recently as since the stat array was presented. He may or may not be around.

Probably not a very good straight man, since my natural instinct to being the but of a joke is murder.

And as uber could tell you, all my characters have the same personality: Me + having magical powers + it being sort of socially acceptable to murder people.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:19 am

What I'm going for is a planar traveler who's having to deal with the Prime. So he doesn't exactly 'get' seasons or how or why they work, for example. He also bitches about having to get used to objective gravity every time he leaves the Astral, and how his psionics take so long to use and how he gets hungry too quickly here.

So, yeah. His ire is directed more about the environment and how he's having to learn basic stuff all over again. I won't ride that horse too often, but if I see a chance to have some fun with it without being too obnoxious, I'll go for it.

I'll ask around to see if I can find a fourth man.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:22 am

Another point of order?

How do we handle dice rolls? Honor system? A website?

JigokuBosatsu · Post by **JigokuBosatsu** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:40 am

GITP has dicerolling in the forum.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:43 am

JigokuBosatsu wrote:GITP has dicerolling in the forum.

So this is on GITP? That was the next question.