Dom3: Revenge of the Den

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Sun May 08, 2011 10:50 am

Also, need a 6 hour extension.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon May 09, 2011 2:07 am

Uh, gonna have to repeat that request for a 6 hour extension. Been busy and haven't been able to do the turn yet.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:33 am

Korwin? >_>

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon May 09, 2011 9:12 am

Bump.

TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Mon May 09, 2011 9:46 am

Guess we'll be doing another rollback unless Korwin pulls a badass action movie move and extends the time at the last second.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon May 09, 2011 10:23 am

*sigh* Looks like it. FYI, we had 4 stales.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Mon May 09, 2011 8:56 pm

Sorry, forum is blocked in the work, then I went into the cinema...

You really want an roleback?
If I get an majority vote I'll do it.

Akula · Post by **Akula** » Mon May 09, 2011 11:04 pm

I would be fine with one if people want it.

TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Tue May 10, 2011 12:19 am

I peeked at the turn so I'll abstain unless you folks need a tiebreaker.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:39 am

I'd much prefer a rollback. No peeking on my part.

Rabelais · Post by **Rabelais** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:40 am

rollback good. I thought I had 22 minutes more than I did. No peek.

Gnosticism Is A Hoot · Tue May 10, 2011 8:33 am

Rollback's fine with me.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:35 pm

3 yes
1 nothing against it
1 abstain for now
1 abstain (me)

One more yes and I'll do the rollback.

Or maybe I should ask: who is against it?

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Tue May 10, 2011 5:56 pm

Do it.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:31 pm

Rollback done.

Don't forget to delete the *.2h file if you took an peek.

RevengeOfTheDen: Roll back to previous turn
This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

A further reason is a difficulty with game file confusion. Imagine turn 10 has just come out, and someone starts to play the turn. Then the game is rolled back to turn 9, and processed again to make a new turn 10. Unless players delete the 2h file they produced from the original turn 10, Dominions will not know to ignore it and may get seriously confused. This can cause a lot of madness, e.g. soldiers becoming commanders and gaining magic paths, and so on. So if you do do a rollback, make sure to remind players to delete their 2h files.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

jimbojones1971 · Post by **jimbojones1971** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 am

Thanks Korwin

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:42 am

Thanks. Turn submitted.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Wed May 11, 2011 3:01 pm

Uh, we're gonna need a major peace conference.

Utgard just went poof.

We're gonna have to figure out who gets Utgard or this can turn into a five-way war real quick.

Sorry to see you go jimbo. Dom kill this late kinda sucks.

Rabelais · Post by **Rabelais** » Wed May 11, 2011 3:47 pm

I hate to use the R word again, but do we want to rollback and give him a chance to blood sac, this is VERY destabilizing. And we all like Jimbo.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Wed May 11, 2011 3:49 pm

I'm ok with rollback again if jimbo is willing.

Akula · Post by **Akula** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Agartha has a wall of temples. Seriously, every province in the south sea has a temple. Without blood sac it was pushing back my own dominion.

EDIT: I don't like the idea of a rollback to correct mistakes personally.

TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Wed May 11, 2011 7:39 pm

I only built so many temples there to halt your own creeping dominion into my territory. It's unfortunate that Utgard seems to be the casualty of our holy cold war.

I'd be alright with a rollback to keep jimbo in the game, because I never intended that to be a result of my temple build buildup. In the event that this does not happen then I move his former territories be granted to Caelum.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu May 12, 2011 4:23 am

Dom kill is a valid tactic, so I would be against a rollback...

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:28 am

Well, I'd second a Caelum take over of Utgard if Utgard is gonna stay dead.

Rabelais · Post by **Rabelais** » Thu May 12, 2011 2:44 pm

I strenuouslu object to any granting of territory to caelum, given that I am their presumptive next target, perhaps we should let jimbo decide?