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angelfromanotherpin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Do remember, Clinton (not the first of their name) had already lost the race to president 8 years ago. The Left voters already had made it pretty clear they weren't that excited about having another Clinton on the white house.

...Clinton won the 2016 Democratic primary. By a lot. More than 12 points. The left made it pretty clear in 2016 that they were adequately excited by her candidacy. Then in the general she got the second most votes for president of any candidate ever (only Obama ever did better). And that's after a police coup and foreign cyberwar and rampant vote suppression in favor of her opponent.

Peddle your bullshit narrative elsewhere.
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There's no 'gotcha'. That's the situation we're in. Reforming the media isn't going to fucking happen in the next year. Public opinion of the media is already in the gutter and has been since before she spoke you fucking idiot. No one fucking cares that 'she' said it too. I don't know what insular circles you argue in but common people (most of the voters) DO NOT GIVE A SHIT.

Anyways... As for Clinton being 'the' problem. I don't believe that. I believe she's a product of the environment she's in. I believe she goes by the playbook and makes politically acceptable choices and moves. It does not matter though because what matters in politics is perception. She is perceived as representative of the problem. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter because that's what too many people believed it.

We live at a time where people can choose their own narrative. From what I can tell the trick right now is to build a narrative that people like. I think the best thing the Left can do is to sell something really good to the public. Not just obstruction. In fact the page we should take out of the republican's book is to introduce of wildly left/progressive laws that won't get past them and sell it constantly. Get it in every media cycle. Better pay, better healthcare, money out of politics. Force the pundits to have to talk about it because that's the only thing they're doing. Make them go over each and every pro and con. Fancy graphs. Whatever. Get it out there and constantly try to sell it. I think that's what we need. We also need politician saying suggestively that they wanna change or some shit. We need the left to believe that they are becoming more progressive. Put those egos to work.
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Our political elites have known for a long, long time that you can get people to accept nearly anything if you present them with a choice between what you want them to put up with and something even worse. As long as they only consider the options you offer, you can control their choice.

But they've been getting overconfident. And they forgot that the principle works the other way around, too. They managed to get one of the most hated men in America elected, by pitting him against someone even more hated and disliked.

Remember, the Democratic Party itself mandated Clinton to be the candidate, regardless of what its members wanted.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Occluded Sun wrote:
Remember, the Democratic Party itself mandated Clinton to be the candidate, regardless of what its members wanted.
It's members wanted Clinton, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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Hey, you're back. Before we get to your latest nonsensical and unsourced pronouncement, we're still waiting on your response to these questions re: the previous one.
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Do you think that Google was within their rights to terminate the employment of the person who wrote the memo regardless of whether it was made public?

Do you think they have the right to terminate any employee distributing internal documents to the public?

Are you willing to admit that their options in the one are in no way abrogated or reduced by the other?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

virgil wrote:
Occluded Sun wrote:
Remember, the Democratic Party itself mandated Clinton to be the candidate, regardless of what its members wanted.
It's members wanted Clinton, so I don't know what you're talking about.
because she wasn't elected unananously, or some shit.

angelfromanotherpin wrote:
Hey, you're back. Before we get to your latest nonsensical and unsourced pronouncement, we're still waiting on your response to these questions re: the previous one.

Good call. He waited long enough I'd forgotten about his Tzor-like behavior. I guess that's the point.
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Leress wrote:
MGuy wrote:
So anyone know why the Left has decided to start going to war with itself all of a sudden?


What do you mean "all of the sudden", it's been going on for at least a couple of years.
Ever read 1984? It's been going on for generations.

Which isn't surprising, since a coalition of many otherwise unrelated interests can never be perfectly stable. It's one of the inherent disadvantages of that particular political model, of which any complex system will have many. Of course, the 'purity' obsessions of the Right tend to cause those groups to split off and attack offshoots over minor things, leading to a superficially similar result with a very different cause.

Anyway: it's an inherent part of the human social condition. Try looking up the Blue and Green factions in ancient Byzantium.
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angelfromanotherpin wrote:
Hey, you're back. Before we get to your latest nonsensical and unsourced pronouncement, we're still waiting on your response to these questions re: the previous one.
deaddmwalking wrote:
Do you think that Google was within their rights to terminate the employment of the person who wrote the memo regardless of whether it was made public?

Do you think they have the right to terminate any employee distributing internal documents to the public?

Are you willing to admit that their options in the one are in no way abrogated or reduced by the other?


We should keep repeating this until he answers.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Occluded Sun wrote:
Ever read 1984? It's been going on for generations.

Which isn't surprising, since a coalition of many otherwise unrelated interests can never be perfectly stable. It's one of the inherent disadvantages of that particular political model, of which any complex system will have many. Of course, the 'purity' obsessions of the Right tend to cause those groups to split off and attack offshoots over minor things, leading to a superficially similar result with a very different cause.

Anyway: it's an inherent part of the human social condition. Try looking up the Blue and Green factions in ancient Byzantium.
Fascinating,
I have a response, but first...
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Are you willing to admit that their options in the one are in no way abrogated or reduced by the other?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Hey, don't forget, Mguy is waiting on some answers, too.

I agree with virgil, I have a response, but it'd have to wait until we get some answers. But I'll throw this question out to foreshadow what I'd like to ask:

Human Garbage wrote:

...a coalition of many otherwise unrelated interests can never be perfectly stable. It's one of the inherent disadvantages of that particular political model, of which any complex system will have many.


Can you explain why you think 'stability' is, a priori, a desirable goal and a lack of stability is a 'disadvantage'?

Edit: It's funny. Just this morning I was wondering if OccludedSun had decided never to come back lest we taunt him a second time. He's lucky he's so stupid - he doesn't realize he has completely failed to make a single coherent point. But I guess he can just laugh about how we don't 'get it' whatever that's supposed to mean.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

virgil wrote:
Occluded Sun wrote:
Ever read 1984? It's been going on for generations.

Which isn't surprising, since a coalition of many otherwise unrelated interests can never be perfectly stable. It's one of the inherent disadvantages of that particular political model, of which any complex system will have many. Of course, the 'purity' obsessions of the Right tend to cause those groups to split off and attack offshoots over minor things, leading to a superficially similar result with a very different cause.

Anyway: it's an inherent part of the human social condition. Try looking up the Blue and Green factions in ancient Byzantium.
Fascinating,
I have a response, but first...
deaddmwalking wrote:
Do you think that Google was within their rights to terminate the employment of the person who wrote the memo regardless of whether it was made public?

Do you think they have the right to terminate any employee distributing internal documents to the public?

Are you willing to admit that their options in the one are in no way abrogated or reduced by the other?
I read that book back in high school around the same time I read animal farm. There, I've answered your question OS. How about you answer some questions of your own?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

McCain just said that he can't support the Graham-Cassidy bill on account of it attempting to sidestep debate and a Democratic filibuster. This likely leaves the bill short of 50 votes.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Ooh, I want to join in! Can-I-can-I-can-I PLEEEAAASSSE

deaddmwalking wrote:
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Are you willing to admit that their options in the one are in no way abrogated or reduced by the other?


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RobbyPants wrote:
McCain just said that he can't support the Graham-Cassidy bill on account of it attempting to sidestep debate and a Democratic filibuster. This likely leaves the bill short of 50 votes.


Oh, McCain, you've done it again.

Wait hang on, is McCain's a brand of frozen food in America or am I making a reference for the benefit of maybe three people?
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It's not a brand name I remembered without Googling, but it it does have a US branch

...I originally posted that in In The Trenches somehow.
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White people are basically just horrible...The entire Reagan Revolution is just white people voting to destroy their own social safety nets because they'd rather fucking starve than let black people eat.



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Okay, well quite some time ago, their commercials on TV would end with "Ah, McCain, you've done it again!"

That's the entirety of the joke. In hindsight, probably not worth it.
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Koumei wrote:
Okay, well quite some time ago, their commercials on TV would end with "Ah, McCain, you've done it again!"

That's the entirety of the joke. In hindsight, probably not worth it.


FWIW, I got the joke, and appreciated it.
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Red Sox stole signs from Yankees, others using Apple Watch

What does this mean?
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Red Sox stole signs from Yankees, others using Apple Watch

What does this mean?

Baseball is a boring and stupid game, so there's no reason for non-Americans to be able to understand any of that.

But basically, there's a part of baseball where you try to hit a ball with a stick while it's moving at 160 kilometers per hour. So the stick swinger isn't actually looking at the ball move, he's watching the person throwing the ball and trying to guess where the ball is going to be and when. Secondly, there's a thing where you are allowed to run around and try to score points while the ball thrower is distracted by doing something else, with the drawback that if he turns around and throws the ball to one of his team mates you go out and score nothing.

So coaches and other players throw secret hand signals and shit to try to get information to various team members about where to throw balls and when to run around and try to score points and shit. This being the 21st century, people can and do use handheld electronics to try to intercept and interfere with these signals.

If you can intercept the signal for the guy to run around and try to score points and get it to the ball thrower guy at the right moment, he can turn around and blowout the other team. If you can intercept the signal for the ball thrower guy to throw the ball high or low and get it to the stick swinging guy, your chances of hitting the ball at the right moment go up a lot.

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And this is also a totally legal and normal part of the game, except nobody really pays any attention to it, and you are not supposed to use electronic devices to communicate these signals. Sort of. I don't fucking know. I know there are some people who are not allowed to send electronic messages to some other people, and some people are allowed to send electronic messages to some other people, and this is a case of the team doing the one they shouldn't be doing, so shame on them, except nobody cares, because cheating in Baseball is as American as apple pie and medical bankruptcy.
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...because cheating in Baseball is as American as apple pie and medical bankruptcy.


And also in football (both American and "we-call-it-soccer"). And basketball. And bicycle-racing. And horse-racing. And probably pigeon-racing, if that's a thing.
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Starmaker wrote:
Red Sox stole signs from Yankees, others using Apple Watch

What does this mean?


Shit like this, and that racism banner over the Green Monster, make me so proud to live in Boston.
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Dimmy wrote:
DSMatticus wrote:
...because cheating in Baseball is as American as apple pie and medical bankruptcy.


And also in football (both American and "we-call-it-soccer"). And basketball. And bicycle-racing. And horse-racing. And probably pigeon-racing, if that's a thing.



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Trump has a special talent for unifying people against him. What was a divisive form of protest has exploded in popularity just from him weighing in on it baseball, football, players, people singing the anthem, etc all participating in civil protest. It's a bit inspiring
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