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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Not really sure if this should go here; or in one of the other threads.

This article reminded me of a discussion I had w/ a Taiwanese roomate at University. They had been describing the development of a Taiwanese multi-purpose attack plane, and how it would be better than specialist planes. I told him it was a bogus idea b/c the more things you make a highly specialized airplane capable of; the more expensive it will have to be; and the less actual hardware will be available for concurrent use in other roles.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-u-s-military-finally-wants-to-buy-a-plane-for-righ-1792951592
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“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/06/ben-carson-calls-slaves-immigrants/98816752/
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Step 1: Signs new version of travel ban

Step 2: "Ben, go on that stage and say something fucking stupid so people stop paying attention"
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In case anyone thinks this to be a weird fluke, more weird shit from the mouth of Ben Carson:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39191445

Highlights:
The Big Bang is a fairy tale (probably the least surprising thing)
The Pyramids are grain silos
He totally did try to murder a childhood friend, despite what CNN claims
And the Holocaust happened because people allowed gun control.
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Voss wrote:
Step 1: Signs new version of travel ban

Step 2: "Ben, go on that stage and say something fucking stupid so people stop paying attention"


I'm pretty sure Step 2 is just "Put Ben in front of reporters."

He doesn't need special coaching to say batshit crazy/stupid things.
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Yeah, I didn't actually pay much attention to him during the campaign, as he was clearly a non-entity. The bbc article makes it pretty clear that he was always a batshit crazy fuck.
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Ancient History wrote:
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/06/ben-carson-calls-slaves-immigrants/98816752/

This isn't the first time someone in his administration said something similarly offensive about black people, implying they had more choice than they did. I can't tell if they don't realize how bad they sound, or if they're trying to reframe slavery, or what...
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RobbyPants wrote:
Ancient History wrote:
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/06/ben-carson-calls-slaves-immigrants/98816752/

This isn't the first time someone in his administration said something similarly offensive about black people, implying they had more choice than they did. I can't tell if they don't realize how bad they sound, or if they're trying to reframe slavery, or what...


In this case, its more "Stop whining, slaves had it worse than you do." combined with "the slaves gained freedom, therefore you can do anything you put your mind to if you just work at it and don't give up."
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

hyzmarca wrote:
RobbyPants wrote:
Ancient History wrote:
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/06/ben-carson-calls-slaves-immigrants/98816752/

This isn't the first time someone in his administration said something similarly offensive about black people, implying they had more choice than they did. I can't tell if they don't realize how bad they sound, or if they're trying to reframe slavery, or what...


In this case, its more "Stop whining, slaves had it worse than you do." combined with "the slaves gained freedom, therefore you can do anything you put your mind to if you just work at it and don't give up."


That isn't the context of his statements at all, you fuck. He's specifically talking up the greatness of America where people are allowed to pursue their dreams, if not for themselves then their descendents.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/06/ben-carson-slavery-immigration/
Full speech, context before and after the remarks at 18:00

Yes, he actually is arguing that slaves were dragged here with their own intent of having grandchildren or great grandchildren who could be surgeons or wealthy businessmen
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Well, the Republican's Obamacare repeal bill - the American Health Care Act, or AHCA - has been out in the wild for a few days. I don't think anyone was prepared for how awful it would actually be.

So, the obvious; the medicaid expansion is frozen, the subsidies are being replaced with too small tax credits, and the individual mandate is being replaced with permission for insurance companies to charge you higher rates if you ever allow your coverage to lapse. The ban on denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions remains. This is pretty much what everyone expected, and it's an instant death spiral. None of the people who need medicaid to cover them and are screwed by the AHCA are going to be able to afford insurance on their own. The vast majority of the people receiving subsidies are not going to be able get by with the tax credits Republicans are offering to replace their current subsidies, and are going to drop their insurance.

But here's the thing - when these people inevitably get sick, as people are wont to do, insurers can't deny them coverage. Republicans kept the ban on denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions because it was too popular. Obviously, anyone who seeks insurance only when their healthcare costs exceed the cost of insurance is going to be a net drain on insurance companies, which will force those companies to raise prices, which will cause more people to drop coverage until they need it, who will in turn be a net drain on insurance companies when they do, which will force those companies to raise prices... The United States healthcare system is going to collapse, and that's not really hyperbole. You cannot run healthcare like a freemium MMO. It cannot be supported by whales. If the people who walk through the hospital's doors can't pay for the life-saving services the hospital is legally obligated to provide them, the hospital closes the fuck down and medical professionals scatter elsewhere - possibly to other countries.

And it gets worse from there. So, medicaid is kind of a big deal. It covers about 20% of the country, and for those one in five Americans it is pretty much their only chance in hell of getting health insurance. Medicaid is currently an open-ended entitlement, which just means that there is no spending cap. If more people qualify for medicaid, medicaid gets more money. If less people qualify for medicaid, medicaid gets less money. The Republican plan changes this to a per capita allotment, which is to say medicaid gets a fixed amount of money per enrollee. That means rationing. Back when the Great Recession hit, we actually had states start doing this, and there are horrifying stories about parents being told that their child would need a tissue transplant to survive and that it wasn't going to be provided because it would cost too much money.

And still it gets worse, because the per capita allotment isn't actually tied to healthcare costs, so if you go far enough down the line (which won't be far, considering the rest of the bill) medicaid will remain a program that is technically on the books but unable to actually provide the medical care for which it exists. I mean, we're looking at shit like cutting terminal cancer from the list of covered illnesses or treatment by lottery. The Republican's ACA replacement is literally death panels. Ironic.


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Perhaps their plan is to make a plan that is too shit to work so they can talk about how Dens will inevitably try and put a stop to it. That way they can go home and tell everyone the Dens are blocking real progress toward a better solution. Also I heard there were out of place provisions like tax cuts for insurance CEOs and some odd thing about tans.
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If it's the one I'm thinking of, they also dedicated about a tenth of the bill (6 of its 66 pages) specifically making sure lottery winners can't get medicaid.
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What makes you a "lottery winner?" If you get a scratch card for your birthday and win $5, are you off Medicaid forever?
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Also, just while we are going over the many many faults. Rich people, up to even 100,000k get a tax credit, because you know....

Also where the ACA says that insurance companies can only charge the old only 3 times as much as some 20 year old. And this changes it to 5 times as much.
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Chamomile wrote:
What makes you a "lottery winner?" If you get a scratch card for your birthday and win $5, are you off Medicaid forever?


Lets say you win 200 million dollars in the powerball. You take the cash option. After taxes, you're left with 100 million dolalrs give or take. You put it in a non-interest-bearing checking account, so you don't make any money off of it. Or just stuff it under your matress. Whatever. Then you quit your job. Now next month you have a net income a $0, because you're unemployed and your money isn't earning interest. Therefore, you qualify for medicaid if you're in an expansion state.

This isn't a loophole that anyone is actually abusing, of course, and there is no need to put in any effort to close it, but it really tells you where Republican priorities are.

And the rule is that you lose medicaid eligibility for one month if you win $80,000, plus one additional month for every $10,000 over that, up to a maximum of 10 years for winners of 1.27 million or more.

Which is utterly crushing, since its fairly easy to exhaust 1.27 million in under a decade.
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hyzmarca wrote:

Lets say you win 200 million dollars in the powerball. You take the cash option. After taxes, you're left with 100 million dolalrs give or take. You put it in a non-interest-bearing checking account, so you don't make any money off of it. Or just stuff it under your matress. Whatever. Then you quit your job. Now next month you have a net income a $0, because you're unemployed and your money isn't earning interest. Therefore, you qualify for medicaid if you're in an expansion state.


As I understand it, that isn't how *anything* works.

The lottery income counts as income that year.

Programs like Medicaid DO ask about your current assets, not just income. Millions of dollars in the bank is enough to make you not qualify at least in Indiana.
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The federal expansion of medicaid mandates the use of simple income testing in lieu of the previously more sophisticated (read: often kind of bullshit) systems that various states were using before. There are situations where state law still applies and asset tests come into play, but it shouldn't for basic poverty-based medicaid eligibility in states that adopted the medicaid expansion. An example where asset tests often still come into play would be shit like medicaid eligibility through a disability program, in which you would be required to spend down any assets you have to a certain level before medicaid will cover your disability. Because clearly if you have a medical condition which prevents you from working to pay for extravagant luxuries like electricity and running water, the first thing we need to do is make 100% sure you aren't paying for those things out of any savings you might have.

At this point, I'm pessimistic enough to just kind of assume the thought process is that homeless people are less likely to have the stability and means to maintain a medicaid enrollment and seek care, and decimating the finances of as many sick people as possible is just a smart way to cut costs. Or at least move them around to other people.
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hyzmarca wrote:
In this case, its more "Stop whining, slaves had it worse than you do." combined with "the slaves gained freedom, therefore you can do anything you put your mind to if you just work at it and don't give up."


I'm pretty sure the slaves gained freedom after a rather bloody civil war. So basically, he's advocating what a lot of people have been thinking needs to happen.
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In this case, its more "Stop whining, slaves had it worse than you do." combined with "the slaves gained freedom, therefore you can do anything you put your mind to if you just work at it and don't give up."


I'm pretty sure the slaves gained freedom after a rather bloody civil war. So basically, he's advocating what a lot of people have been thinking needs to happen.


Eh, it was more or less right as the war started. The US Civil War was more or less a response to the promise/threat/fact of emancipation of slaves. Buncha rich white guys realized they'd lose their way of making money, panicked.
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DSMatticus wrote:
The federal expansion of medicaid mandates the use of simple income testing in lieu of the previously more sophisticated (read: often kind of bullshit) systems that various states were using before. There are situations where state law still applies and asset tests come into play, but it shouldn't for basic poverty-based medicaid eligibility in states that adopted the medicaid expansion.


Hrm, I wonder if Indiana is one of 31 different flavors since we cobbled our own deal for how the Medicaid expansion worked out, cuz I would've sworn when we enrolled in the marketplace the first time we had to declare assets to see if we qualified for Medicaid.

But the last couple years it has been a lot simpler to just click/renew things and assets aren't among the things I have to update, so maybe I'm remembering it wrong or I'm just not required to enter those anymore since we've been using regular insurance. I did apply for unemployment back when I got screwed out of my job 5 years ago, definitely had to declare assets back then, so I suppose memories may have comingled and merged.
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hyzmarca wrote:
In this case, its more "Stop whining, slaves had it worse than you do." combined with "the slaves gained freedom, therefore you can do anything you put your mind to if you just work at it and don't give up."


I'm pretty sure the slaves gained freedom after a rather bloody civil war. So basically, he's advocating what a lot of people have been thinking needs to happen.


Eh, it was more or less right as the war started. The US Civil War was more or less a response to the promise/threat/fact of emancipation of slaves. Buncha rich white guys realized they'd lose their way of making money, panicked.


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erik wrote:
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The federal expansion of medicaid mandates the use of simple income testing in lieu of the previously more sophisticated (read: often kind of bullshit) systems that various states were using before. There are situations where state law still applies and asset tests come into play, but it shouldn't for basic poverty-based medicaid eligibility in states that adopted the medicaid expansion.


Hrm, I wonder if Indiana is one of 31 different flavors since we cobbled our own deal for how the Medicaid expansion worked out, cuz I would've sworn when we enrolled in the marketplace the first time we had to declare assets to see if we qualified for Medicaid.

But the last couple years it has been a lot simpler to just click/renew things and assets aren't among the things I have to update, so maybe I'm remembering it wrong or I'm just not required to enter those anymore since we've been using regular insurance. I did apply for unemployment back when I got screwed out of my job 5 years ago, definitely had to declare assets back then, so I suppose memories may have comingled and merged.


Indiana's Govenor was Mike Pence, and we refused to allow it while he was negotiating "BETTER MEDICAID" which amounts to accepting medicaid expansion money, but getting the Feds to agree to changes like "still charging the people on medicaid money for their medicaid" and presumably also means testing.

That was the deal in 2015. So if it was before 2015, medicaid wasn't expanded, and if it was after 2015, Indiana operates on a special partial waiver that lets them do their own crazy dumb stuff.
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Trump's week long bombing of Yemen as punishment for them not letting his not at all conceived Yemen Raid not work out has dropped more bombs than any YEAR of Obama's presidency.

Guess PL won't be posting for a long time as he waits for the next evil democrat to be president so he can criticize democrats for US foreign policy again.
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If the bombs weren't dropped by drones, they don't count. Even if they were dropped by drones, it's really Obama's fault for creating the precedent of their use.
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Let's play a fun game; can anyone find an article about Trumpcare that doesn't mention the savings right in the title? How far into the left-wing did you have to go? For fuck's sake, the U.S. spends $3.8 trillion a year. $337 billion over ten years is less than a 1% reduction in federal spending, and it's really fucking weird to see that being given equal billing next to "percentage of Americans without insurance would double from 10% to 20%" as though they were of even remotely similar significance or interest. But hey, maybe if you read the article about three-quarters through they'll put the budgetary impact in perspective. Probably not, but maybe. I'm getting real mixed messages here, media. On the one hand, your coverage of the AHCA has been consistently negative. On the other hand, I can hear you jerking off please stop you gross fucks.

To be fair, I know exactly what's happening. Journalists are ideologically opposed to conveying information in relation to its significance, and instead it's all about "perspectives," and so the increased suffering of 24 million people (and then some) somehow becomes equivalent to minor fluctuations in the federal budget because Democrats care about one of those things and Republicans care about the other of those things.

I am also surprised to hear that the CBO is predicting stable healthcare markets. They seem to think that because the AHCA widens the permissible cost spread between young and old and strikes down minimum coverage requirements, a bunch of young, healthy people will be enticed to buy cheap insurance that does basically nothing for them, and that will stabilize the market. Hey, anyone here remember exactly how the CBO fucked up their Obamacare prediction? While they basically nailed the total reduction in the insured, they overestimated the number of people who would purchase insurance through the exchanges and underestimated the number of people who would enroll in medicaid. The two errors basically cancelled out (even with a bunch of states refusing to expand medicaid), but in retrospect it's almost poetically hilarious. Surprise! A bunch of rich white policy analysts think Americans are wealthier and more responsible than they actually are! And I wholly expect to find that that's a mistake they've repeated. Are we really fucking predicting that a bunch of young, healthy people will buy what amounts to catastrophic coverage insurance that does absolutely fucking nothing for them unless they get sick simply in order to avoid a 30% surcharge for only enrolling after they're sick? That's like simultaneously predicting that no one will buy incandescent lightbulbs because they're more expensive in the long run AND that no one will play the lottery because statistically a ticket's value is negative.

I find the prediction that a bunch of 20-somethings and 30-somethings will pay for something they can barely afford that they absolutely can't afford to use unless they're dying fucking absurd.


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