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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Prak_Anima wrote:
I'm not sure Tome uses a lot of "morale" bonuses, as it tries to cut down on RNG destroying bonus type bloat.


Morale bonuses turn up a reasonable amount in Tome design. Both the Tome Barbarian and the Marshall use morale bonuses to attack and damage, for instance.
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ah, ok

I have more of a wikipedic knowledge of rules...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Prak_Anima wrote:
I have more of a wikipedic knowledge of rules...
Really...
How regular are the edit wars? Did a bunch of memories take their custom classes and move to a new brain when one neural processing unit started going mad with power?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I meant as far as comprehensiveness...
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Kaelik: you're kind of right. The Vanity thing was mostly because there is no Vanity domain, anyone can be a god of Death or Magic (there are like 80 of the fuckers) and the Dragon article focused on that aspect.

That said, I'll change it. I'll swap out some Vanity powers for Death powers and altering-people's-magic (the ability to apply Metamagic feats to other people's spells and all that), and will put some limitations on the spells available. How about:

1. Any Wizard/Sorcerer Cantrips and level 1 spells
2. Any Cleric Orisons and level 1 spells
3. Any Necromancy spells or [Death] effects (Sorc/Wiz and Cleric only)
4. Any spells with the [Law] subtype (Sorc/Wiz and Cleric only)
5. Any Universal spells (Sorc/Wiz and Cleric only)

And maybe "Any (Sorc/Wiz and Cleric only) spell of Instantaneous or Permanent duration" or "Any Evocations (Sorc/Wiz and Cleric only)" (given Magic domain implies Arcane, and Evocation is both harmless as a school to choose from, balance-wise and also is considered one of the classic Arcane schools)?

I figure the basic design there can be salvaged if I chop it up and change some stuff, sliding the emphasis away from Vanity and towards Death and Magic.
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At-will casting is incredibly powerful, and has to be kept under extremely tight controls or it gos apeshit. Allowing people to pick their own spell list to at-will cast from is never ever going to work, because players are going to pick a diverse set of spells and rape the world.

Can you imagine the horror of a character having at-will Charm Monster and some short duration touch buffs? A constantly growing army that all fights like something that has been jacked up on power for a teleport ambush all the time.

The basic design is just not salvageable at all. Even if they were pulling spell slots out of a spell book, that would basically be Beholder Mage casting. And we know that shit is broken.

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I would do...

-Wizard spells-per-day. The two spells-per-day is sort of okay, if they can pick up additional spells; Wizard and cleric list -could- work. Every few levels, I'd let them grab one spell from another list, preferably limited to SRD stuff. Which isn't too much help, I admit.

-Forbid a few specific effects. You're the Favored Soul of Wee Jas, not the Favored Soul of Face-Beating. No Divine Power for you.

-No at-will casting. Although maybe she can pick a few spells as spell-like abilities so she doesn't have to use her casting slots.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Okay, I made some changes:

She now gets to cast as many spells of a given level as she knows, per day. So the spells known also happens to be spells per day. Note that she does not get bonus spell slots for a high Int.

Actually wrote down the list. Originally it was "Any Cleric or Sorc/Wiz", now there are some restrictions there. Could it do with more freedom of choice?

Most of the vanity-related powers were swapped out for:
-Bonus Metamagic feat (2 instances), due to Magic being in the portfolio.
-The ability to Metamagic other people's spells (again, Magic).
-Finger of Death (holy shit, it isn't on the Death domain) with a Death Note reference.
-A protective/death power that ties in with having Death and Protection domains.

Thoughts?
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Right, here's another one (Complete Divine), for a stupid race, but with an idea that I kind of liked - the Traps thing. If the kobolds and weasels stuff are removed and other shit added, one could easily make this a general trapper class. Whatever.

The Favoured Soul of Kurtulman:

"Heheh. heh, you activated my trap card, buttmunch."

Kobolds get a shit deal, and this is as it should be. But those who are really picked out by their god, for whatever reason (probably pity or lulz), are gifted with the ability to survive life's hardships (and many hardships to actually survive), as well as the ability to make other people die first. Usually they like to be where the violence isn't, but they get some understanding of the fact that they are sooner or later going to be where the violence is, and can prepare for that.

Alignment: usually Evil, but survival is ranked higher than any real allegiance
Race: Kobold
Hit Die: d6
Base Attack Bonus: Medium
Good Saving Throws: Reflex
Skill Points: 4+Int

Class Skills: Balance, Climb, Concentration, Craft*, Disable Device, Escape Artist, Handle Animal, Hide, Knowledge (Arcana, Engineering, Religion), Listen, Move Silently, Ride, Search, Spot, Use Magic Device
*The Favoured Soul always has maximum ranks in Craft (Trapsmith)

Proficiencies: All Armour, Simple Weapons


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1Traps, Trapmeister1
2Infectious Bite1
3Thick Skin2
4Sneak Attack +1d62
5Weasel Knight!3
6Out of Sight3
7Evasion4
8Sneak Attack +2d64
9-5
10Unleash the Dragon5
11Mettle6
12Sneak Attack +3d66
13-7
14Evil Little Fucker7
15Improved Evasion8
16Sneak Attack +4d68
17-9
18Double-Trap9
19-9
20Survivor!, Sneak Attack +5d69


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

PW: Pain is a REALLY strong spell to put in a trap at first level. Like, don't do that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Shit, you're right. I forgot that it was the awesomesauce one.

Thanks for catching that, I'll change it out.
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Hm. You know what would be an awesome trap?

A violent thrust Telekinesis. It appears to send you 10 feet per level. One of those on the floor...yes, I think that would work. Even one on the wall could knock someone back down a hallway
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I thought that said "Maximum Trap Card Level"
... YuGiOH has an adverse affect on me, even a year after I break the addiction...

Also, I never can remember. What are Fanboy Magic/Races of the Fanboy/Complete Garbage?
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Races of Fanboy is "Races of Dragon"

Complete Garbage is "Complete Mage"

Fanboy magic is probably Dragon Magic or some similar title involving dragons. Might be Draconomicon.
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--The horror of Mario

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Dragon Magic. And now I'm going to have to change the quote to reflect YGO!: Abridged.
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"You can't hurt me; I'm the main character!"
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Doublepost:

All right, I wanted to write up a FSoNerull (I want to make a Quadripartite party) and was looking at a few abilities. Nerull is all about death and killing things, so slay living in any form is a must.

I was thinking about an ability that bring an opponent from 0 to -1 HP (weak, yes) and death knell, and then a touch attack which initiatives a fort save v. losing 4 or so HP. If you pulled those off in a turn, anyone with 5> HP is dead. Deathwatch is nice, and so is soul-eating.

I was also interested in throwing in some Putriptoq references--giving a mount (Nycaloth, or some lesser version of it), and wanted to remove the need for breathing somewhere down the line (initiaties into the "Nerull club" go through rituals where, at one point, they have to get buried alive for a time).

Along with that, I started yanking spells off of this: http://dicefreaks.superforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=245

All right, that was all my thoughts just spilling out.

CONCRETE IDEAS:
I want a 10-15 level class (10 levels preferrably: Quadripartite with Pelor!) with death/dying abilities and a flying mount. My biggest idea is to have a list of spells (3 first-level, 3 second-level, etc.) available at each odd level, a FSoN can choose CL number of available abilities to use at-will each day. The other abilities are available some limited number (1/day scaling to 3/day... 4/day max). My questions are:

a) Would that kind of system be balanced if I wanted to use spells like deathwatch, death knell, wretched/unholy blight, and slay living?

b) ... um... got any death-y spells?

My list:

  • Unholy blight
  • Deathwatch
  • Antilife shell
  • harm
  • imprison soul
  • destruction
  • energy drain
  • shivering touch
  • ghoul touch
  • death knell
  • implosion


notice that it significantly lacks low-level spells... I also don't want to use inflict in any way. If I want to do HP damage, it'll be a limited class ability.[/list]
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Please never link to dicefreaks again.

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Dicefreaks is not so much the mouth as the refluxing cardiac sphincter of madness. Every so often I think for a moment on what would possibly motivate someone to care whether a D&D god could use Horrid Wilting once per day as a spell like ability. And I always come up empty, because that is so obviously a waste of time to keep track of that I can't even find the headspace required to give a shit about that kind of crap.

But as for a favored of Nerull, wouldn't that just be a Dread Necromancer? I honestly can't think of a single thing a disciple of the necromancer god would do other than get up in the morning and be a necromancer.

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FrankTrollman wrote:
Dicefreaks is not so much the mouth as the refluxing cardiac sphincter of madness. Every so often I think for a moment on what would possibly motivate someone to care whether a D&D god could use Horrid Wilting once per day as a spell like ability. And I always come up empty, because that is so obviously a waste of time to keep track of that I can't even find the headspace required to give a shit about that kind of crap.

But as for a favored of Nerull, wouldn't that just be a Dread Necromancer? I honestly can't think of a single thing a disciple of the necromancer god would do other than get up in the morning and be a necromancer.

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Well, presumably, kill fools horribly with some sort of massively impractical weapon. Like an agricultural scythe.
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--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!


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I apologize. That looked like it was taken off of WotC (quality of creation is pretty similar...) so I nabbed it.

In other news, almost everything I read about Nerull emphasizes death, and not undeath. Nerull hates all life and finds it an abomination. In The Crypt (where he lives in Carceri), his citizens are not biased towards death or undeath (there's some of both of the fuckers), and both have to live in constant fear of getting eaten by demons. In Libris Mortis, Nerull's clerics are usually undead, and his armies tend to be full of zombies too. So I suppose there is some Necromancy involved... but I don't think the Dread Necro focuses on "Kill KILL KILL" enough to merit a FSoN=DN.
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For Valor wrote:
I apologize. That looked like it was taken off of WotC (quality of creation is pretty similar...) so I nabbed it.

In other news, almost everything I read about Nerull emphasizes death, and not undeath. Nerull hates all life and finds it an abomination. In The Crypt (where he lives in Carceri), his citizens are not biased towards death or undeath (there's some of both of the fuckers), and both have to live in constant fear of getting eaten by demons. In Libris Mortis, Nerull's clerics are usually undead, and his armies tend to be full of zombies too. So I suppose there is some Necromancy involved... but I don't think the Dread Necro focuses on "Kill KILL KILL" enough to merit a FSoN=DN.


You are wrong, the entire Dread Necro list is the ability to kill things with Necromancy like a Wizard, while Raising the Dead like a Cleric. Except the part where they can Summon Demons to kill people.

Dread Necro == Nerull.
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But... but... oh, fine. Then I've got a request/question:

Is there any way we could change the FSoPelor to a 20-level class? What would have to be included? I want to make a campaign with Pelor/Obad-hai/Nerull/Kord as 4 main characters, but I'd like to have each class stretch an equal amount of levels... and since Obad-hai is Druid (20 levels) and Nerull is a Dread Necro (20 levels), I'm going to try and make a 20-level FSoKord class... but that would mean the 10-level Pelorite class would lag behind.
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Pelor = Cleric. I'm surprised you didn't make that assumption, considering how Jozan is all hot for his patron (like god, like supplicant).
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Pelorite 10/Contemplative 10. Stop being stupid.
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