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Count Arioch the 28th wrote:I find it interesting that women have more differentiated terms for shades of green than men do. I wonder if that's something biological?
Actually, it has to do with the tobacco industry. Natural Envy: A History of the Color Green in Fashion
Which is not to say that green hasn’t had a spin in the fashion limelight. In 1934, public relations tycoon Edward Bernays infamously dropped a fair amount of green promoting the color. He hosted a Green Ball and courted magazine editors, interior designers and department stores with press kits extolling the virtues of green—all in the hope that American women would feel compelled to color coordinate with the forest packaging of Lucky Strike cigarettes. Sales figures indicate Bernays’ efforts were a success, but his employer—American Tobacco president George Washington Hill—only saw red and fired Bernays.
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tzor wrote:I don't get the whole male/female color thing. I always thought the color thing depended on the size of your Crayola box when you were a kid. :tongue:

The bigger your box, the more names you had for your colors.
Women deal with makeup more.

Most guys who can easily call out unique names for various shades also have something to do with colors.

Knew one guy who could call 'em because he worked in a custom car painting place and knew his colors.
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Men frequently pretend to have a limited vocabulary of color so they won't be asked by their SO to play pretty princess dressup with their bathroom/wedding/whatever.
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Designating a color swatch with a single word like "salmon" is a commercial practice used to simply purchase. Real color lovers use CMYK (plus a white base if using paint), hexadecimal or Pantone numbers to determine color.
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angelfromanotherpin wrote:Men frequently pretend to have a limited vocabulary of color so they won't be asked by their SO to play pretty princess dressup with their bathroom/wedding/whatever.
I actually have a limited vocabulary of color.

If you point out a teal Camaro to me, I will go "Ooh, nice blue-green there."

Not "Teal!"

Because 'blue-green' if the first thing that shows up in my head.

I know the words, they just aren't the first one which come to mind.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

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Color blindness is significantly more prevalent in men than women.
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CatharzGodfoot wrote:Color blindness is significantly more prevalent in men than women.
It's 8% of the population.

This does not mean every man is worse at seeing color than a woman.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

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It's not color blindness. it's color differentiationwhogivesafuck.

Something is Pink, or it is Orange, or Purple.

It is not salmon, rose, terracota, or the 12 different versions of offwhite.
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I have a pretty good color vocabulary, but it's different than the terms in use at Home Despot:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Speci ... lity_Chart

And the reason that I stick with those is that a search of paint retailer and manufacturer sites turns up no online color-matching tool half as useful as that page -- which is downright inexcusable in the age of 6 digit HTML hex codes.

So, yeah I'm doing my living room in Rotting Flesh with accents in Bad Moon Yellow. Your Seafoam and Lemon Souffle can go off and fuck themselves.
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Maxus wrote:
CatharzGodfoot wrote:Color blindness is significantly more prevalent in men than women.
It's 8% of the population.

This does not mean every man is worse at seeing color than a woman.
http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/ ... ffer_1.php

Aside from the fact that only women can get that 4th color sensor (due to double X chromosomes), I know I've read quite a few studies that showed women having more sensitivity between colors than men. One explanation I remember had to do with hunter gatherer evolutionary theory where being able to tell slight differences in color helped avoid poisoned berries (men instead got a slightly more developed brain center for spacial logic in order to find their way home after hunting).

So, PRETTY sure there's a good deal of evidence showing women get an edge on average for color distinction even without taking into account Tetrachromacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy

Carry on.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

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Josh_Kablack wrote:I have a pretty good color vocabulary, but it's different than the terms in use at Home Despot:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Speci ... lity_Chart

And the reason that I stick with those is that a search of paint retailer and manufacturer sites turns up no online color-matching tool half as useful as that page -- which is downright inexcusable in the age of 6 digit HTML hex codes.

So, yeah I'm doing my living room in Rotting Flesh with accents in Bad Moon Yellow. Your Seafoam and Lemon Souffle can go off and fuck themselves.
I am so tempted to memorize those so that I can compliment people on their interior decorating choices using the terms "tentacle pink" and "snot green"
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
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Maxus wrote:
angelfromanotherpin wrote:Men frequently pretend to have a limited vocabulary of color so they won't be asked by their SO to play pretty princess dressup with their bathroom/wedding/whatever.
I actually have a limited vocabulary of color.

If you point out a teal Camaro to me, I will go "Ooh, nice blue-green there."

Not "Teal!"

Because 'blue-green' if the first thing that shows up in my head.

I know the words, they just aren't the first one which come to mind.
I think you're onto something.

When I was teaching my son colors, we used jelly beans. He would ask for some, but we wouldn't him any until he answered the question of "What color?"

While we were traveling, we couldn't always buy the same brand, so we'd pick up whatever jelly beans [without excessively disgusting ingredient lists] were available, and some of them weren't in basic colors, they were in pastels and neons (and all sorts of colors you wouldn't normally want to eat).

If he didn't know the word for the color, he either would never choose that type of jelly bean, or he'd lump it in with something he interpreted as close. Peach -> Pink. Teal -> Green (at first, green and blue were the same color to him, lumped under Blue). Salmon -> Orange.

Once you give him the words to use to describe the concept of X wavelength, though, he'll use it. And of course, the frequency that color is encountered will reinforce how well the term is remembered. Blue, red, green, black... Those colors are more common in boy's clothing than pink, peach, lavender, teal, magenta... So the words he encounters most will be the ones he remembers best.

I've seen this happen a lot with different people in a wide variety of subjects, from colors to local botany. And as long as something is good enough to get by, there's no real reason to invest more effort into more specific terms.
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The same thing happens with the language in which you're most fluent. A lot of languages have more or fewer words for specific shades of colors than others. Ancient Greek, for example, didn't have a word for blue. I think some version of Chinese has several words for various shades of brown, rather than just light brown, dark brown, tan, etc...

The really neat thing is that labeling colors with different words as opposed to modifying an existing color makes them a lot easier to differentiate. So, say you show someone a series of five blocks that are all different but very close shades of orange, and that that person's language has different words for all those shades. If you then show all five blocks at the same time, the person who uses different words will be significantly better at identifying which block was which as compared to, say, an Englishspeaker, who thought of them as lightorange, slightly lighter orange, etc...

Another really neat thing is that all languages develop their colorterms in the same order. First they have words for black and white. Then comes red. Green and yellow are the next two; their order is fairly interchangeable. Then comes blue, and then comes brown.
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Even if that's not Odin, but Thor in that image, yes ^^
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
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That . . that's brilliant o.O
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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courtesy of Cracked.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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