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Rawbeard wrote:and this from the guys that shat their pants at the mention of brain hacking.
It's even worse than that, it follows from what is there that you can digitally describe, understand and control the use of magic using neural nanoware - so you could plug in a spellsoft and cast magic you've never used before.

If the nanomachine infection had its intelligence removed, it would do all of the above. Doesn't even matter if that will never happen in the game, because the possibility is right there.

I have no idea if this would allow a "PF" (bleh) to astrally project, though they should be able to trigger it in the host.

That said, the other magic-based ways to cure the infection were ridiculously crude. "Thousands of micro-effect Pulse spells" used to try and burn it out of a brain is the best they can think of. The infection there was "somehow" able to change to better resist the spell as it was cast.

Oh, and the Infected can't be hosts, possibly because they have no souls. The experiments for this were laughable though.
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http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/1 ... --Bandages

Quote from Dumpshock:
In no particular order:

- New optional rules for using biotech in combat, making combat more deadly (That light pistol shot you took to the leg can still bleed out..)
- New qualities (if I don't buy off "Pregnancy" after 9 months, what happens?... I shudder to think)
- New drugs & toxins (haven't read these, but a dozen or so; seem like they could be cool)
- A nice little 1 page short-story up front (nice to have in a supplemental like this)
- Advanced Medkit rules (now they come with all sorts of discrete supplies, with added directions on how your character can use them)
- Description of Docwagon HRT teams and roles, similar to the Coyote book. Would have liked a little more here on dealing with extraterritoriality, but that's wishing for the stars in a $5 book.
- New spells, *adept powers*, gear, and DRONES! A supplemental book with drones!


One gripe: some of the tables are mislabeled. C'mon guys, please, please read these damn things before selling them.

pg 15: Diagnosis tests table labelled "Pregnancy Quality"
pg 20: Drug table labelled "Ondansetron", Toxins table labelled "Rocuronium"
pg 21: Pathogens table labelled "Cypher"
So, yes, appearantly there are now rules for the pregnant and elderly . .
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I don't know how to react anymore. Except to the "wifi off" NPCs. I love those.
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so, appearantly they are now selling an "errataed" SR5 core book as the 1 year anniversary edition . .

and seem to be getting into dlc style releases with pdfs not including some stuff to make you buy the next pdf already in line as well . .
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Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Anybody taken a look at Street Grimoire yet?
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I'm so ashamed of having bought the SR5 pdf on release. Now I'm really curious (in a car-crash-rubber-necking kind of way) what changes they're making.

Hopefully someone takes one for the team and reviews this re-release, cause I sure as fuck am not giving any more money to those clowns.
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Ferret wrote:Anybody taken a look at Street Grimoire yet?
Dumpshock seems to think that it's shit.
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Yeah, Street Grimoire is the one where stuff is missing that's been put in the next pdf for the true DLC experience as far as i can tell . .

Also, Larsine on dumpshock compared both pdf versions with a file comparision software and posted this to dumpshock as well:

spoilered because asked.
SR5 PDF v1 vs. v2

I've gone through the new PDF, and this is what I've found changed:

P1
Replaced:
WorldWide WorldWatch
With:
WorldWide Wordwatch

P4, Table of Contents, column 3
Replaced:
The Danger of Sider Jobs
With:
The Danger of Side Jobs

P7 Playtesting added:
Jason Bertsche, Kyle Johntz Connor, Daniel Dunchack, Christian Hayes, Ken’ Horner, Thomas J. Howell, Richard Ingram, Ilya Medvedev

P8-13 moved to P10-15 (affects TOC which is not corrected)

P14-15 moved to P8-9 (affects TOC which is not corrected)

P44, The Gamemaster & You, sentence 2
Replaced:
At the gaming table, the gamemaster sets up and advances the story, governs the actions of the non-player characters, and determine the results of tests and other rules-related matters.
With:
At the gaming table, the gamemaster sets up and advances the story, governs the actions of the non-player characters, and determines the results of tests and other rules-related matters.

P48, Extended Tests, paragraph 2, last sentence
Replaced:
The Task Difficulty Threshold table provides some suggestions on thresholds for Extended tests, while the Extended Test Difficulties can help gamemasters choose the proper interval.
With:
The Extended Test Thresholds table provides some suggestions on thresholds for Extended tests, while the Extended Test Intervals table can help gamemasters choose the proper interval.

P62, Tips for Character Creation, last sentence:
Replaced:
It is helpful to have an idea of what you want to play and what you what your character to do before getting together for a home game of Shadowrun.
With:
It is helpful to have an idea of what you want to play and what you want your character to do before getting together for a home game of Shadowrun.

P65, Metatype & Special Attributes:
Replaced:
Trolls receive Thermographic Vision, +1 Reach, and Dermal Armor, but they also receive the disadvantage of having to pay an additional fifty percent for gear because everything—including cyberware and bioware—must be

specially modified to meet their massive physical requirements.
With:
Trolls receive Thermographic Vision, +1 Reach, and Dermal Armor, but they also have the disadvantage of having their Lifestyle costs doubled to reflect the costs of adapting everything they use—especially their gear, including

cyberware or bioware—to meet their massive physical requirements.

P66, Metatype Attribute Table, Dwarf
Added:
Thermographic Vision

P69, Magic User Types, Mystic Adepts, sentence 5
Replaced:
Mystic adepts must purchase their Power Points with Karma (2 Karma each at character creation for a full Power Point, with a maximum number of points equal to their Magic attribute rating).
With:
Mystic adepts must purchase their Power Points with Karma (5 Karma each at character creation for a full Power Point, with a maximum number of points equal to their Magic attribute rating).

P70, Kyra, paragraph 2, sentence 2
Replaced:
Kyra decides to spend 10 Karma from her Karma fund to purchase 5 Power Points.
With:
Kyra decides to spend 10 Karma from her Karma fund to purchase 2 Power Points.

P70, Kyra, Special Attributes (so far)
Added:
Magic — 0 6

P70, Kyra, Adept Powers
Replaced:
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Skill) .25
Improved Ability (Skill) .5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) .75
With:
Enhanced Accuracy (Skill) .25
Improved ability (skill) .5
Improved Potential (social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 Level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25

P68-71, Choose Magic or Resonance, paragraph 4, sentence 2
Replaced:
Mystic adepts must purchase Power Points using Karma at the cost 2 Karma per full Power Point.
With:
Mystic adepts must purchase Power Points using Karma at the cost 5 Karma per full Power Point.

P72, Exceptional Attribute, sentence 1
Replaced:
The Exceptional Atribute quality is how you get to be the charismatic troll, or the agile dwarf.
With:
The Exceptional Attribute quality is how you get to be the charismatic troll, or the agile dwarf.

P82, Insomnia (cont'), paragraph 2, sentence 3
Replaced:
He also regains his Edge after 8 hours of restful sleep.
With:
He also regains 1 point of Edge after 8 hours of restful sleep.

P82, Loss of Confidence, sentence 2
Replaced:
Though a skilled decker, he failed to hack into a Stuffer Shack grid, or despite high Agility, he glitched an easy Climbing Test and fell into a dumpster—whatever the reason, he now doubts himself and his abilities.
With:
Though a skilled decker, he failed to hack into a Stuffer Shack host, or despite high Agility, he glitched an easy Climbing Test and fell into a dumpster—whatever the reason, he now doubts himself and his abilities.

P86, Kyra, sentence 3
Replaced:
In step 2, she decided to spend 10 Karma purchasing 5 Power Points for adept powers.
With:
In step 2, she decided to spend 10 Karma purchasing 2 Power Points for adept powers.

P86, Kyra, Table
Replaced:
Adept Power Points (5) –10
With:
Adept Power Points (2) –10

P90, Skill Groups & Individual Skills, Agility
Removed:
Herding & Lockpicking

P91, Example, Knowledge Skills:
Replaced:
Matrix Security Measures (IC) (Interests) 2
With:
Matrix Security Measures (Interests) 2

P92, Example cont., Rob, paragraph 2, sentence 2
Replaced:
For his Knowledge skills, Rob takes Bismarck City Knowledge, UCAS Military Regulations, UCAS Knowledge, Fixers, and Runner Hangouts.
With:
For his Knowledge skills, Rob takes Bismarck City Knowledge, Street Clinics, UCAS Military Regulations, Fixers, and Runner Hangouts.

P92, Kyra, Table
Replaced:
Adept powers Cost
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) 0.25
Improved Ability (Pistols) 0.5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) 0.75
With:
Adept powers Cost
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25

P94, Step Six, Paragraph 3
Replaced:
When a character factors in racial modifiers for gear costs (trolls have a 50 percent gear and Lifestyle cost increase, dwarfs have a 10 percent increase in gear costs), the player may choose to increase the cost for each item

picked up at that time to help them track how much they’ve spent and how much nuyen they have left. Alternately, they may choose to purchase all the gear at the base cost, arrive at a subtotal, and then add in the

appropriate cost modifier (10 or 50 percent) to get the final total.
With:
If the player finds that he or she has more than the 5,000 nuyen that can be saved (or even if he or she hasn’t), there are a few essential pieces of gear to consider when building a shadowrunner. You’ll want a commlink (p.

438) to stay in touch and to keep your gear relatively safe from hackers. A fake SIN (p. 442), along with some fake licenses, will help smooth dealing with law enforcement or even simple purchases like buying a bus ticket or

covering a bar tab. For more ideas, see the Gear Checklist sidebar.

P98, Additional Purchases & Restrictions
Replaced:
Registering Spirits
With:
Registering Sprites

P105, Character Advancement (con't), paragraph 4, sentence 3
Replaced:
Note that you can’t improve Physical skills or Mental attributes during the same downtime period when you receive implants or augmentations that improve those same attributes.
With:
Note that you can’t improve Physical or Mental attributes during the same downtime period when you receive implants or augmentations that improve those same attributes.

P105, Character Advancement (con't), paragraph 5, sentence 5
Replaced:
Skill groups are improved at a rate of [new Rating] x 1 month.
With:
Skill groups are improved at a rate of [new Rating] x 2 weeks.

P110, Kyra, Adept Powers or Other Abilities
Replaced:
Combat Sense (2 levels) 1
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved Ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) 1
Mystic Armor (3 levels) 1.5
Voice Control (3 levels) .75
Water Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
Beast Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
With:
Enhanced Accuracy (Automatics) .25
Improved Ability (Pistols) .5
Improved Potential (Social) .5
Mystic Armor (1 level) .5
Voice Control (1 level) .25
Water Spirit (3 services) 6 Force
Beast Spirit (3 services) 6 Force

P112, Street Samurai, Contacts
Added:
Fixer (Connection 4, Loyalty 2)

P115, Street Shaman, Limits
Replaced:
Social 7
With:
Social 8

P116, Combat Mage, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 6
With:
Physical 5

P116, Combat Mage, Qualities
Replaced:
Distinctive Style
With:
Distinctive Style (Troll Poser)

P116, Combat Mage, Spells
Replaced:
Mass Confusion
With:
Physical Mask

P118, Weapons Specialist, Limits
Replaced:
Social 4
With:
Social 5

P119, Face, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 3, Mental 5
With:
Physical 4, Mental 6

P120, Tank, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 10
With:
Physical 9 (11)

P121, Decker, Limits
Replaced:
Mental 6 (7)
With:
Mental 7

P124, Drone Rigger, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 6, Mental 5
With:
Physical 5 (6), Mental 6

P126, Sprawl Ganger, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 8, Mental 4, Social 5
With:
Physical 9, Mental 5, Social 6

P127, Bounty Hunter, Limits
Replaced:
Physical 7, Mental 4, Social 4
With:
Physical 9, Mental 4, Social 5

P128, Using Skills, Sentence 1:
Replaced:
Having skills means you can things get done.
With:
Having skills means you can get things done.

P134, Climbing Table:
Replaced:
Assisted climbing down (rappelling) 2 meters
With:
Assisted climbing down (rappelling) 20 meters + 1 meter per hit

P140, Example, paragraph 1, sentence 6:
Replaced:
Besides, the ganger is so hostile (–4 dice) that she might not even take the time to listen.
With:
Besides, the ganger is so hostile (–3 dice) that she might not even take the time to listen.

P141, Social Skill Tests
Replaced:
Intimidation + Charisma [Social] Intimidation + Willpower [Social]
With:
Intimidation + Charisma [Social] Charisma + Willpower

P142, Magical Skills, sentence 2-3
Replaced:
In order to acquire magic-specific skills, characters must have a quality that provides a Magic rating. In order to use these skills, that Magic rating must be 1 or higher.
With:
In order to acquire magic-specific skills, characters must be an Aspected Magician, Magician, or Mystic Adept. In order to use these skills, their Magic rating must be 1 or higher.

P153, Skills Groups, Biotech
Added:
Biotechnology

P158, 1. Roll Initiative, sentence 2:
Replaced:
The order in which things happen during the Action Phase is determined by Initiative Scores, going from highest first to lowest last.
With:
The order in which things happen during the Combat Turn is determined by Initiative Scores, going from highest first to lowest last.

P162, Example, paragraph 2, sentence 2:
Replaced:
On his next Initiative Phase Wombat can only move 2 meters before he is considered Running.
With:
On his next Action Phase Wombat can only move 2 meters before he is considered Running.

P168, Block, last sentence
Removed:
Bonus die, such as die from a relevant weapon foci, can be added to this test.

P168, Parry, last sentence
Added:
Bonus die, such as die from a relevant weapon foci, can be added to this test.

P169, Example, paragraph 1, sentence 2-3
Replaced:
He throws on some Actioneer Business Clothes (Armor cool.gif and then pulls on his Urban Explorer jumpsuit (Armor 10). For resistance tests he uses only the Armor 10 from the jumpsuit.
With:
He throws on some Actioneer Business Clothes (Armor cool.gif and then pulls on his Urban Explorer jumpsuit (Armor 9). For resistance tests he uses only the Armor 9 from the jumpsuit.

P170, Example, paragraph 3, sentence 2
Replaced:
Pauly has 6 empty boxes in his Physical Condition Monitor so he fills in all those and takes the remaining 2 as overflow.
With:
Pauly has 6 empty boxes in his Physical Condition Monitor so he fills in all those and takes the remaining 3 as overflow.

P171, Fire Armor Penetration
Replaced:
Fire-based spells spell Force
With:
Fire-based spells –spell Force

P172, Example, Paragraph 3, first sentence
Added:
The next Combat Turn begins, and the fire’s DV increases to 4P.

P172, Example, paragraph 3, sentence 2 (now sentence 3)
Replaced:
The gamemaster calls it a Complex Action with a Drop Prone free action and asks for an Agility roll modified by his wounds.
With:
The gamemaster calls it a Complex Action with a Drop Prone free action and asks for an Agility + Intuition roll modified by his wounds.

P172, Example, paragraph 5
Replaced:
At the end of this Combat Turn Wombat faces 2P damage again and needs to think fast if about how he’s going to get this fire out.
With:
At the end of this Combat Turn Wombat faces 3P damage again and needs to think fast about how he’s going to get this fire out.

P174, Example, Ranged Attack, paragraph 6, sentence 3
Replaced:
Since the modified Armor rating is greater than the modified Damage Value the attacks damage code changes from Physical to Stun (8P to 8S).
With:
Since the modified Armor rating is greater than the modified Damage Value the attack’s damage code changes from Physical to Stun (10P to 10S).

P175, Progressive Recoil, paragraph 1, sentence 2
Replaced:
Recoil penalties are cumulative over every Action Phase and Combat Turn unless the character takes, or is forced into, an action other than shooting for an entire Action Phase.
With:
Recoil penalties are cumulative over every Action Phase and Combat Turn unless the character takes, or is forced into, a Simple or Complex Action other than shooting.

P179, Example, paragraph 2, sentence 1
Replaced:
Wombat takes a Complex Action and makes an Assault Rifles 4 + Agility 6 Test with the Accuracy of Wombat’s weapon as the limit, which in this case is 5.
With:
Wombat takes a Complex Action and makes and Automatics 4 + Agility 6 Test with the Accuracy of Wombat’s weapon as the limit, which in this case is 5.

P183, Gunnery, sentence 2
Replaced:
Vehicle-mounted weapons are fired using Weapon Skill + Agility [Accuracy] for manual operation, like door guns on mounts, or Gunnery + Logic [Accuracy] for remote operated systems.
With:
Vehicle-mounted weapons are fired using Gunnery + Agility [Accuracy] for manual operation, like door guns on mounts, or Gunnery + Logic [Accuracy] for remote operated systems.

P184, Sensor Defense Table
Replaced:
Drone Pilot + [Model] Stealth [Handling]
With:
Drone Pilot + [Model] Evasion [Handling]

P196, Multiple Attacks, paragraph 2
Replaced:
Edge spent on this test adds into the pool before it is divided.
With:
Dice gained by spending Edge applies before the pool is split, while dice from both pools can be re-rolled with a single use of Edge.

P198, Damaging A Barrier, paragraph 4, sentence 5
Replaced:
He hits the door with 10 boxes (11 total, thanks to the hit from the bullets), and the gamemaster declares the center of the door is gone, leaving just the top and bottom attached to the hinges.
With:
He hits the door with 10 boxes (14 total, thanks to the hit from the bullets), and the gamemaster declares the center of the door is gone, leaving just the top and bottom attached to the hinges.

P202, Movement Rates, sentence 2
Replaced:
The driver of the vehicle can adjust her movement rate with the required action to control the vehicle or during her Action Phase but chooses the movement rate at the beginning of each Combat Turn instead of moving by

Initiative Pass.
With:
The driver of the vehicle can adjust her movement rate with the required action to control the vehicle during her Action Phase but chooses the movement rate at the beginning of each Combat Turn instead of moving by

Initiative Pass.

P205, Damage And Passengers, paragraph 1, sentence 2
Replaced:
The exceptions to this rule are ramming, full-automatic bursts and area-effect weapon attacks like grenades and rockets—these attacks affect both passengers and vehicles.
With:
The exceptions to this rule are ramming, suppressive fire, and area-effect weapon attacks like grenades and rockets—these attacks affect both passengers and vehicles.

P207, Example 2, paragraph 2, sentences 4-5
Replaced:
He keeps making the same roll each hour with his 6 dice and gets 1, 1, 2, and 3 hits over the next four hours. All of his Stun damage is healed up about twenty minutes into his fifth hour of sleep.
With:
He keeps making the same roll each hour, subtracting a die each time, and gets 2, 1, 1, and 2 hits over the next four hours. All of his Stun damage is healed up about half an hour into his fifth hour of sleep.

P207, Example 2, paragraph 3, sentence 4
Replaced:
Over the next five days, his hits are as follows: 1, 0, 0, 2 (glitch, double the healing time), and 0 (critical glitch) hits.
With:
Over the next four days, his hits are as follows: 1, 0 (glitch), 2, and 0 (critical glitch) hits.

P208, Medkits and Autodocs, paragraph 2, sentence 4
Replaced:
If the character is untrained, she can still make an untrained First Aid test using her Intuition attribute minus 1 die and the device’s rating in place of her First Aid skill.
With:
If the character is untrained, she can still make an untrained First Aid test using her Logic attribute minus 1 die and the device’s rating in place of her First Aid skill.

P239, Data Spike, sentence 2
Replaced:
Your attack has a Damage Value equal to the rating of your Attack program, with one additional boxes of damage per net hit, and two additional box of damage for each mark you have on the target.
With:
Your attack has a Damage Value equal to your Attack rating, with one additional box of damage per net hit, and two additional boxes of damage for each mark you have on the target.

P244, Matrix Actions By Limits, Sleaze
Remove: Crack File Complex

P247, Intrusion Countermeasures, paragraph 2, sentence 4
Replaced:
The IC in a host and the host itself share marks, so if one IC program is slapped with a mark, they all get one, as does the host itself.
With:
The IC in a host and the host itself share marks, so if one IC program marks, they all do, and so does the host itself.

P250, Resonance (cont'), paragraph 2, sentence 5
Replaced:
Whenever you lose Essence (after character generation), you lose an equal amount of Resonance, rounded up.
With:
For every point (or fraction thereof) of Essence lost, both your current Resonance Attribute and your maximum Resonance Rating are reduced by one.

P252, Infusion of [Matrix Attribute], sentence 6
Replaced:
If an attribute boosted by this spell is swapped in a Reconfigure action, this complex form ends.
With:
If an attribute boosted by this complex form is swapped in a Reconfigure action, this complex form ends.

P258, Registering a Sprite (cont'), paragraph 2, sentence 5
Replaced:
Your registered sprite will stay with you as long as it still owes you at least one task.
With:
You can register a number of sprites equal to or less than your Logic attribute.

P279, Power Points (cont'), sentence 4
Replaced:
You get a free Power Point whenever you increase your Magic attribute, and you can gain a Power Point through Initiation (p. 324) instead of gaining a metamagic.
With:
If you’re an adept, you get a free Power Point whenever you increase your Magic attribute (though this doesn’t apply to mystic adepts), and you can gain a Power Point through Initiation (p. 324) instead of gaining a metamagic.

P289, Resist Pain, Drain
Replaced:
(Damage Value) – 6
With:
F – 4

P298, Homunculus, Movement
Replaced:
15/30
With:
x2/x4/+1

P301, Binding (cont'), paragraph 1, sentence 3
Replaced:
The test is an Opposed Summoning + Magic [Force] v. spirit’s Force x 2, and it inflicts Drain equal to twice the hits (not net hits) on the spirit’s defense test, minimum 2.
With:
The test is an Opposed Binding + Magic [Force] v. spirit’s Force x 2, and it inflicts Drain equal to twice the hits (not net hits) on the spirit’s defense test, minimum 2.

P301, Spirit Basics, paragraph 2, sentence 6
Replaced:
When materialized, the spirit uses astral perception (its only perception) to perceive the physical world.
With:
When materialized, the spirit is able to perceive the physical world much as other material beings do.

P305, The Finished Preparation, sentence 5
Replaced:
When Potency reaches 0 it loses its magical nature and the spell is lost.
With:
When Potency reaches 0, or the lynchpin is broken, it loses its magical nature and the spell is lost.

P312, Astral Signature, paragraph 2, sentence 1
Replaced:
A character can attempt to read an astral signature with an Assensing + Magic [Astral] 3 Test.
With:
A character can attempt to read an astral signature with an Assensing + Intuition [Astral] test.

P316, Astral Intersection, paragraph 2, sentence 2
Replaced:
If this happens, each astral form makes an Opposed Test: living beings a Magic + Charisma [Astral], and non-living barriers and objects a Force x 2 [Force] test.
With:
If this happens, each astral form makes an Opposed Test: living beings a Magic + Charisma, and non-living barriers and objects a Force x 2 test.

P318, Foci, paragraph 3, sentence 6
Replaced:
You can deactivate a focus at any time.
With:
You can deactivate a focus at any time with a Free Action.

P328-331 moved to P374-377 (affects TOC, which is not corrected)

P332-377 moved to P328-373 (affects TOC, which is not corrected, and lots of references which I have listed at the end of this list of corrections)

P384, Professional Rating 5: Elite Corporate Security, Lieutenant, Skills
Replaced:
Athletics skill group 6, Close Combat skill group 7, Cracking skill group 7, Data Search 5, Demolitions 5, Electronics skill group 6, Etiquette (Corporate) 4 (+2), Firearms skill group 8, Leadership 6, Perception 6, Sneaking 6
With:
Athletics skill group 6, Close Combat skill group 7, Cracking skill group 7, Demolitions 5, Electronics skill group 6, Etiquette (Corporate) 4 (+2), Firearms skill group 8, Leadership 6, Perception 6, Sneaking 6

P388, Using Contacts (cont'), paragraph 12 (Swag), sentence 3
Replaced:
Contacts looking for traders follow the same procedures for Availability and Fencing Tests (p. 418) that PCs do, using their own Charisma and Negotiation skill instead of yours, along with their Connection rating as extra dice (they’re better at it than you are).
With:
Contacts looking for traders follow the same procedures for Availability and Fencing Tests (p. 418) that PCs do, using their own Charisma and Negotiation skill instead of yours, along with their Connection rating as a modifier to their Social limit.

P391, Fixer (cont'), Skills
Replaced:
Computer 6
With:
Computer 7

P391, Mafia Consiglieri, Skills
Replaced:
Computer 4, Data Search 5, Etiquette (Mob) 7 (+2), Instruction 6, Leadership 7, Negotiation 6, Perception 6, Pistols 3
With:
Computer 5, Etiquette (Mob) 7 (+2), Instruction 6, Leadership 7, Negotiation 6, Perception 6, Pistols 3

P392. Mr. Johnson (cont'), skills
Replaced:
Computer 6, Con 4, Data Search 6, Etiquette (Corporate) 7 (+2), Intimidation 4, Negotiation 8, Perception 5, Pistols 5
With:
Computer 6, Con 4, Etiquette (Corporate) 7 (+2), Intimidation 4, Negotiation 8, Perception 5, Pistols 5

P399, Natural Weapon, Action
Replaced:
Complex
With:
Auto

P404, Devil Rat, Skills
Replaced:
Climbing 5, Dodge 5, Perception 4, Running 2, Sneaking 6, Unarmed Combat 5
With:
Climbing 5, Perception 4, Running 2, Sneaking 6, Unarmed Combat 5

P408, Toxin and Drug Protection Table
Replaced:
Chemical protection Contact, Inhalation +Rating
With:
Chemical protection Contact +Rating

P420, Concealability Modifiers
Replaced:
+4 Sword, stun baton, sawed-off shotgun, bullpup assault rifle
With:
+4 Sword, sawed-off shotgun, bullpup assault rifle

P425, Light Pistols, paragraph 4 (Beretta 201T), sentence 4
Replaced:
Burst-firing the Beretta 201T requires a Complex Action.
With:
Semi-automatic bursts using the Beretta 201T require a Simple Action.

P429, Sniper Rifles (cont'), paragraph 3 (Cavalier Arms Crockett EBR), illustration
Replaced:
Cavalier Arms Alamo EBR
With:
Cavalier Arms Crockett EBR

P432, Periscope, paragraph 2 (Wireless)
Replaced:
Wireless: The dice pool penalty for shooting around corners is reduced to –2.
With:
Wireless: The dice pool penalty for shooting around corners is reduced to –1.

P433, Tripod, paragraph 1, sentence 4
Replaced:
Folding up or deploying a tripod is a Complex Action, as is removing it.
With:
Folding up or deploying the bipod is a Free Action.
[Obviously an error, since it still takes a Simple Action to fold up or deploy the bipod on page 431]

P441, Software, added a new 3rd paragraph
Autosofts: For information on these programs for drones, see p. 269.

P442, Software (Table), add new third point:
Autosoft Rating x 2 Rating x 500¥

P444, Optical & Imaging Devices
Replaced:
Monocle (Capacity 1–4) 12R 3,000¥
With:
Monocle (Capacity 1–4) — Rating x 120¥

Because of the changed sections, the following changes should be made as well:
P44 p. 332 -> p. 328
P56 p. 373 -> p. 369
P79 p. 372 -> p. 368
P84 p. 367 -> p. 363
P94 p. 373 -> p. 369
P95 p. 373 -> p. 369
P103 (x2) p.332 -> p. 328
P128 p. 376 -> p. 372
P140 (x2) p. 372 -> p. 368
P145 p. 363 -> p. 359
P332 p. 348 -> p. 344
P343 p. 349 -> p. 345
P345 p. 335 -> p. 331, p. 336 -> p. 332
P348 p. 348 -> p. 344, p. 349 -> p. 345
P350 p. 375 -> p. 371
P354 (x2) p. 362 -> p. 358
P364 p. 367 -> p. 363
P371 p. 376 -> p. 372
P388 p. 372 -> p. 368
P419 p. 367 -> p. 363
P442 p. 366 -> p. 362
P443 (x2) p. 367 -> p. 363
P446 p. 362 -> p. 358, p. 363 -> p. 359
P447 (x2) p. 363 -> p. 359, p. 362 -> p. 358
P448 (x3) p. 363 -> p. 359
P453 p. 362 -> p. 358
P475 (x2) p. 372 -> p. 368
P477 p. 376 -> p. 372
P478 p. 335 -> p. 331
P470 (x2) p. 356 -> p. 352
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Spoiler, plox.
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I am shocked, that looks like someone compiled all the things their editor should have weeded out. I am kidding, of course, they don't have editors.
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That is basically fanmade errata pushed through by ONE of the Freelancers alone.
MOST of this had already been found BEFORE the Book had been released . .
Because of the stupidity that was the preview things and not waiting for feedback before sending it to the printers . .
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Cain wrote:Proofreading is done via Google Docs. We all add our comments, which the editors in turn comment on, so there's no doubt that they've seen it. And since it's online, it pretty much stays there forever. Our file access is limited, but I can still see the locked file for the SR5 proofs (and, in our defense, many of the corrections we made never made it to the final copy). I don't know why it happened, and under a NDA I can't give examples. But I can confirm that it did.
So, apparently SR5 has actual editors, but they are being ignored.
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Nothing new there. Hardy has been ignoring proofreading comments way back in SR4. Part of the problem is that much of the proofreading occurs during or after layout, and nobody wants to reflow the text. Also, Jason is a terrible developer who doesn't give a fuck because he can't tell shit writing from good.
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I will believe they have editors when pigs start flying. They probably pay someone to pretend to be editors.
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Nah, the proper way to do it is to sell an edit credit to someone who might want it for the CV (such as a college kid), "pay" the kid for the job (that may or may not get done) with the company's money and pocket both.
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From the Horses Mouth:
Yesterday we had a post updating Missions; today it’s time to talk a little about the main line.

I’m going to start with a disclaimer: Much of this is going to be vague, perhaps frustratingly so. But that’s because there are some things going on that are simply not for public consumption, as they relate to the personal lives of people involved, and I don’t feel appropriate to share some elements in a business post.

The past half-year has been chaotic for Shadowrun. Chaos and lots of work is not new, but the nature of the chaos was different. Some of it involved different systems that have been set up over time, including the proofing system, not working as they had; others involved trying new types of products, and the inevitable mistakes that come with trying something new. Catalyst is a small company, and there is almost no redundancy built into it. When something breaks down, it’s difficult to fix it on the fly, and repairs don’t always come quickly as time is short.

One of the results of this chaos was that product proofing was not what it always should be. That’s not at all the fault of any proofers—it was a problem of my process and Catalyst’s process. As new processes were being built, I made some mistakes in judging what would work. I learned from the mistakes, and they have led to changes that will make the new processes stronger.

The good news is that most of the chaos has now passed. Systems that were not working right are back to regular functioning, or have been rebuilt so that they will work better going forward. Some of this was discussed in yesterday’s post, so one thing you can expect is more regular Missions. What else should you expect?
•More regular releases of books;
•More accurate, more reliable rules documents;
•Release of errata for Run & Gun and Street Grimoire by the end of summer or sooner.

We hope to use the changes and processes we have in place to provide books and more that will improve your Shadowrun experience and make you excited about the options you can introduce to your game!
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Missions are still a thing? Can someone please run over Bull, maybe that will end this...
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No, if you read the crashing rules you will notice that won't work . . *rimshot*
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TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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God dammit...
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Rawbeard wrote:On another note, I recently found the "SR Online Steam Early Access" video. Apparently they screwed up so hard, they had to start over at some point, some people from their "staff" "disappeared" and all the usual problems that plague a professional venture.

Here is the vid http://youtu.be/ynWEDQEq-WE

Eplain to me how PvP is true SR fashion? Motherfucking retards, what you doing? Stahp!

Also for personal reasons I hate everyone named Jan with a passion. So go fuck yourself and die in a gutter, Jan!
Just found something special:
Back when the Kickstarter for SR Online was running, they showed off some music that was going to be in the game. Some of the songs (mainly industrial rock, which fits SR) were made by a guy named Walter "Gearcrack" Machado.

Well, it seems even good old Walter lost his confidence in SR Online, because he now recycled the soundtrack in a cyberpunk game he made himself! It's a very bad game, but I guess Walter is still more comfortable in seeing his music in that game, than in the failed Shadowrun one.

I dare you, the game is total shit and not even worth the 1€, but if anyone is in for finding out where content from SR Online has gone, then check out the game "Gearcrack Arena" on Steam. That's how low the project has sunk.
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This is so beautiful, I can't decide if I want to laugh at it or slit my wrists.
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I wasn't aware there was a new card game until I saw a demo at Gen Con.

I know nothing other than the game had six designers, four of whom are no-names and one is tied to D&D 4E. That's a red flag.
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Looks like a new Rigger Book might be in the making.
Wakshaani is actually asking what people would like to see in such a book on dumpshock . .
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=40726
seems as if there are actually still nice people working for catalyst for some reason . .
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Shrapnel wrote:
TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.

Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Concise Locket wrote:I wasn't aware there was a new card game until I saw a demo at Gen Con.

I know nothing other than the game had six designers, four of whom are no-names and one is tied to D&D 4E. That's a red flag.
I played the demo of this at PAX East two years ago. The game's OK and the mashup of cooperative and deck building sounds like it might be a fun set of mechanics to play with. Unfortunately, the demo came out pretty dull and it doesn't look like they've done much other than polish the art since then.
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I've wondered going forward, has to be better way to do accounting of "Essence" or Augmentation slots. While 6.0 is small, getting into decimals seems lot more complicated than it needs to be, especially for most people. Would it be better if it was done in more whole values like 60? I know it couldn't really be currently implemented without redoing entire catalogs of Augmentations, their values, including quality grades to be redone to accommodate for new discounted value that'd be easier to implement without a calculator ideally.

Also, never played Cyberpunk 2020, I've heard it's tech is less advanced (cell-phones in your head are big deal), but supports Walking Gundam men. How doable is that in Cyberpunk 2020, is it a end-game path only, and does its "essence/Aug-slot equivalent" system it probably has better than Shadowruns in any way?
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