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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

galvorbak99g wrote:
So, Im thinking of porting EotM to Cyberpunk 2020, becasue a) it makes sense for the setting im making to go along with the ruleset and b )brainhacking is really, really cool.
How easy/hard should this be? Any Suggestions for a starting point?


EotM was of course made to slide into 4th edition Shadowrun without having to contradict any part of any of the books except the Matrix chapter. That means it's going to be a bit of a stretch to get it to work in a d10+Bonuses versus Target Number system.

That being said, one of the biggest problems with Netrunners in CP2020 is how they pretty much don't even interact with the rest of the team. Setting it up so that Netrunners actually physically run around next to the Solos because they use Augmented Reality and short range lockpicking and brain hacking to accomplish things rather than sitting at home and doing VR bullshit a few days ago seems good.
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Maybe I've missed it, maybe it's not there:
What exactly qualifies something to be an entry point to a server?
Random commlinks lying around?
Retransmitters in the corner?
Special access points?

Basically: If I and my team enter a corp office, and the hacker wants to enter the server to steal data/get more access/delete logs, what should he be looking for?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Networks with open Connections to a Server can locate other Networks with open Connections to the same Server and then use the "Close Distance" action to open a direct Connection between them.

People are assumed to have commlinks, so "normal computers" don't actually sit around in offices at every desk. Only specialized computers if the workplace demands such a thing (eg: perhaps specialized science labs). A person's desk probably just has a place for them to be and (if the local server is non-wireless for security) an optical/wireless re-transmitter so that they can link into the local server. There also might not even be such a re-transmitter: some places might provide just an optical port for employees to connect in to.

So you find a desk of an employee to start the hack, but what you "find" is just a tiny antenna or a jack in point, not like a whole desktop with a screen and all that.

I mean there might be a screen, it depends on how comfortable folks are with AR, and perhaps how much they think their customers will be with AR.
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Okay, so a retransmitter on their desk and maybe a optical port
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Is there a way to deal Stun damage through matrix combat?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i might be misremembering something here, but isn't almost all matrix damage stun damage, with the exception of one or two attack things?
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Well AFAIK there are three ways to do Damage for a hacker
1) Black Hammer. You roll LOG/RES +Cybercombat, limited by Rating, against the enemy FIRE. The enemy then has to resist Rating+(net hits) in Physical Damage with WIL+Biofeedback. This damage is always Physical.

2) Crash. Same as in 1) but the damage is Icon Damage (so it only affects Data targets and TMs) and is resisted with SYS+Armor. This does nothing to normal people but does Stun Damage to TMs.

3) Rend Icon. The TM rolls RES+Decompiling resisted with FIRE+Cybercombat. The enemy has to resist CHA+(net hits) Icon Damage with System. Again, no damage to normal people, Stun to TMs.

What I'm asking: Have I missed another type of attack or can you only damage normal people with Physical Damage? If the second: Would a modified Black Hammer that does Stun be worth it?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I seem to recall that using Black Hammer on someone in cold sim deals stun damage rather than physical (thanks to having the biofeedback safeties turned on), but I can't find a reference in EotM. I might be blurring it with SR4 stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

That's definitely SR4
In EotM the difference between Cold and Hot is whether you can add the biofeedback filtration to your soak pool, not what type the damage is.
So if in Cold AR/VR you'd soak with WIL+Biofeedback, which is WIL+FIRE+Redundant Biofeedback filter, so normally WIL+FIRE+SYS
Then in Hot AR/VR you'd soak with just WIL. But instead your RESP is counted as 2 higher.

And yes, those slashes mean what you think it means. Cold/Hot and AR/VR are separate.
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Since nobody is saying anything about different attacks, what about a stun program?
Advantage is that you can disable someone for a long time without killing them (currently you are limited to either kill them or temporarily disable them)
Disadvantage is that this is an additional program, with its own cost, so it's like forcing a Sammy to buy an entire new gun if he doesn't want to do physical damage.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The program that my players wanted was a way to feedback a drone, so we did that once.
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What is the difference between normal and UV-Hosts? Is it just that UV-Hosts force you to connect and enter VR? Or are they powerful enough that the world in them seems realistic?

Also: What is the average Matrix Perception Pool for Spiders?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

IC will be 4-6, Hackers will probably be 6-9.

I think UV-hosts are supposed to be technomancer metaplanes, basically. Like weird alternative locations for some adventures, but not usually visited.
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UV Hosts are from before technomancers were even a thing that existst. And they don't even necessarily need an AI to run them either, but gods damn huge ammounts of computing power.

Realistically, there is never a real need or good reason to have an UV Host. It is basically a show of virtual power. Resolution far above and beyod what the normal matrix standards are capable of, Realism untill the smallest little detail in the custom landscaping etc. It's 4K/HDR compared to DVD Basically.

Technomancers get the submersion stuff happening to them, not sure about them getting a metaplanes equivalent though.
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Oh I was thinking "Resonance Realms", which are right next to UV Hosts in the book.
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Resonance Realms, right! actually forgot about those . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

When using Retransmitters:
Do you need LOS to produce or sustain a connection to one, or is it only important that you are in H range?

Also: When you are connected to a Retransmitter, can people see the connection between you and it (without seeing either)? If yes, what's the threshold?
Can you mask a Retransmitter? Make it not visible in Matrix Perception?


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  • A Connection does not require LOS. If you want to have it in your Network it must be in Handshake range of your network. If it's a Directional Retransmitter and you want to use is to draw LOS from, you need to have LOS to it.
  • When a retransmitter is in your network they detect it or not depending on if they detect your network and have enough net hits to recognize the individual devices of the network (use the Assensing Test chart as a guide).
  • If a retransmitter is not part of your Network you can still sustain a Cloak program on it. Otherwise it sits there in the open pretty much. You might allow a rule where a person can put it into stealth mode and it stays in that mode even after it disconnects.
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    Lokathor wrote:
  • A Connection does not require LOS. If you want to have it in your Network it must be in Handshake range of your network. If it's a Directional Retransmitter and you want to use is to draw LOS from, you need to have LOS to it.
  • Does that mean that if I want to chain Directional Retransmitters that all of them have to be Directional and have LOS to each other? That I can't connect to a Directional Retransmitter through a normal Retransmitter?
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    Correct.

    Note that a fiber optic connection is non-wireless but can carry "Directional" signal for its segment of the path between two Networks.
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    Can you hack a cyberlimb? If yes, what would you have to hack, the commlink or the limb itself? What FIRE would a cyberlimb have? Once you've hacked it, what can you do with it?
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    No direct hacking of cyberlimbs. That just is asking for too much trouble.

    If you wanted to have an alternate version of Seize that has the same effect (total incantation), but the fluff is that you're making their cyberware go haywire and that's what's causing them to lose their turns as they fight back one arm against the other or something that's fine, but I wouldn't otherwise allow it at all.
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    If EotM does not specifically adress this, there is no fucking consistency to what exactly happens to hacked cyberware. On one page the books say that you only need a reboot to get it back into normal working order . .
    On another it is described as catastrophic hardware failure with sparks flying everywhere . .

    Hack a leg. Chacater falls down.
    Hack an arm. Basically no combat.
    Hack the eyes. Character blind.
    Hack his cyberlungs or improved heart or neural interface or wired into his CNS reflex stuff and . . well . . basically the character should be dead.
    But that is stupid. And so we are left with:"disregard the in itself inconsistend and stupid canon and make some shit up that works."
    There is. No. Fucking. Reason. EVER to have cyberware hackable remotely at all.
    Direct contact with a cable? Yes, sure, in that situation you have other problems already . .
    So no, burn out all the wireless feature. Hardwire them all into a fucking wireless burned out datajack. If you EVER need to go online, you daisychain 2 Max Sys and Firewall comlinks behind each other at least to get your temporary WiFi antenna, do whatever needs doing, then you unplug the cable and scrub everything clean.
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    Stahlseele wrote:
    If EotM does not specifically adress this, there is no fucking consistency to what exactly happens to hacked cyberware. On one page the books say that you only need a reboot to get it back into normal working order . .
    On another it is described as catastrophic hardware failure with sparks flying everywhere . .

    Hack a leg. Chacater falls down.
    Hack an arm. Basically no combat.
    Hack the eyes. Character blind.
    Hack his cyberlungs or improved heart or neural interface or wired into his CNS reflex stuff and . . well . . basically the character should be dead.
    But that is stupid. And so we are left with:"disregard the in itself inconsistend and stupid canon and make some shit up that works."
    There is. No. Fucking. Reason. EVER to have cyberware hackable remotely at all.
    Direct contact with a cable? Yes, sure, in that situation you have other problems already . .
    So no, burn out all the wireless feature. Hardwire them all into a fucking wireless burned out datajack. If you EVER need to go online, you daisychain 2 Max Sys and Firewall comlinks behind each other at least to get your temporary WiFi antenna, do whatever needs doing, then you unplug the cable and scrub everything clean.

    Stahlseele, you do know that everything you've said is SR4 rules and not EotM? Because in EotM you can't burn out wireless. You can't use multiple commlinks at once.
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    Which is why i lead that entire thing with:
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    If EotM does not specifically adress this, there is no fucking consistency to what exactly happens to hacked cyberware. On one page the books say that you only need a reboot to get it back into normal working order . .
    On another it is described as catastrophic hardware failure with sparks flying everywhere . .

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