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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I wasn't certain how to interpret the EotM sensor package changes, as you were saying they could get cyber eyes for the capacity to hold the visual sensors and the headware sensors and such need to be in cyberlimbs; and assumptions were made and hence the reason for me asking the question to figure it out.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

so, basically, you are . . what . .
replacing a metal shell with another metal shell in a different shape?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I. Don't. Know. This is why I'm asking here. This is what I have to go off of:
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Glitch wants her attack drone to see as well as she does, which means that it should be capable of seeing at a metahuman level in both normal and infrared spectra. The doberman itself only costs 3000¥. The thermographic vision and smartlink that she wants will take up only 3 capacity and thus will fit in a Rating 1 eye system. The total package would cost 2500¥ in a metahuman skull, but in this case it's built for a drone that has a lot less squishy bits. Sensor packages for a medium drone cost half human cyberware price, so the sensor package is just 1250¥. Together with the drone, Glitch is out 4250¥ and has a drone that can send her visual inputs just as good as her own.
Sensors are being jammed into a drone based on the capacity of a cybereye, making it logical to assume cyberear-based sensors are under a similar situation. How do you resolve the headware sensors that don't go in cybernetic eyes and ears, such as olfactory boosters and MAD scanners? Are they shoved into a cyberlimb package, with cost modified by size? Is the capacity for them ignored? Are sensors beyond eyes and ears forbidden by decree of Congress? Do they fall under the old rules, where a medium drone has a capacity of 5 or 8 for sensors?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

ah, i see where the problem lies now . .
sadly, i have neither an answer nor a solution to that.
*points at frank*
your best bet would be the guy who basically wrote the rules on cyberlimbs.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Oh I... should have looked at that list more closely. Sorry.

Yeah, so, basically cyber-eye and cyber-ear mods are applying mods to an existing sensor that you purchased (the base cybereye or cyberear). Whereas, those other sensors are just sensors that you're strapping on.

Probably you should apply the cybernetic size modifier to the sensor's cost and add it to the cost of the drone, but don't worry so much about capacity limits, since the size categories are a little fuzzy in the first place, and part of what you're paying money for is for mountings and balance and all that. As long as the sensor can reasonably be attached to the drone, it should be okay-ish.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You don't have to get cybereyes for your drones. The eyeball capacity discussion was just to demonstrate the lack of effective size limits for a man sized drone. You just buy the augmentations you want, and halve the cost when dealing with a large or medium sized drone.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

on the other hand, it would be a good way to freak people out . .
make the cyber-eyes look like real ones ripped from their sockets ^^
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

For the purposes of High Density Signal, do you just have to be able to see the target, or do there have to be no solid objects between you and the target?

Can High Density Signal be transmitted through a cable?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

HDS can be sent through a cable, allowing you to draw LOS along the cable, similar to how a mage can draw LOS along a telescopic tube to look around corners and stuff.

As to how strict the LOS requirements are... I'd say "you can draw it through glass, and through partial cover, but not through full cover"
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

HDS can be sent through solid, opaque objects. There are specific rules for how far it goes through the earth (including mountains), and there are ways to block Signal via Wi-Fi blocking paint and Faraday cages. Beyond that, it seems to just go through anything you care to mention (presumably metal walls count as part of a Faraday cage, but that doesn't matter unless the windows and doors are closed and also have Faraday shielding).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Another question: since drones have commlinks integrated into them, can they be used as directional retransmitters?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

don't see why not.
worst case, you fit them with a second comlink and use it that way.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Quantumboost wrote:
HDS can be sent through solid, opaque objects. There are specific rules for how far it goes through the earth (including mountains), and there are ways to block Signal via Wi-Fi blocking paint and Faraday cages. Beyond that, it seems to just go through anything you care to mention (presumably metal walls count as part of a Faraday cage, but that doesn't matter unless the windows and doors are closed and also have Faraday shielding).


"goes through objects" and "draws line of sight through objects" aren't the same thing though. Otherwise there'd be no point in some programs having a range of S and some having a range of S (LOS).

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Another question: since drones have commlinks integrated into them, can they be used as directional retransmitters?

You pay for it separately, but yeah you can bolt it onto the outside and use your drone as a mobile directional re-transmitter.

Also Note: a Drone's Network stats aren't actually Generic like a commlink's are. When added to a network, the drone can't improve the network like a commlink can.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sorry about the questions, but one of my players is new to these rules and planning on playing a hacker. Which programs can you remain stealthed while using, and which ones count as going in guns blazing? That is to say, if I use Taxman on a commlink, presumably I can make a matrix stealth check to have them not realize I'm nabbing their data. Conversely, if I'm blackhammering them, that's going tob e impossible. Where does one draw the line?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

We played it that any program that has obvious effects to someone that isn't matrix stealthed, or an attack program, will ruin your matrix stealth.

So you can't Crash or Black Hammer, but you also can't Ostraka. You CAN Jedi Trick or Taxman, or Backdoor.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yeah, I'm basically going through and doing a bunch of ad-hoc rulings based on rough guesses, but metaphorical divine illumination would be nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Lokathor wrote:
"goes through objects" and "draws line of sight through objects" aren't the same thing though. Otherwise there'd be no point in some programs having a range of S and some having a range of S (LOS).


Of course these are different. High Density Signal != LOS. I was asserting that High Density Signal can go through solid objects. Which is true, you can use an S program through a wall, even a metal wall (so long as it doesn't have crazy metamaterial paint and there are large enough holes in the building itself).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

So I'm looking at The Ends of the Matrix again and searched for the cheat sheat table I made.
And am pretty shure, I made an mistake at Jumped In Driving, which sould be Int + Pilot Skill + Handling.
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Rigging Pools
ActionJumped In*Drone without RiggerRemote Controlled
InitiativeRigger Matrix IniSensors + ResponseRigger Matrix Ini (Hot or Cold)
Targeting-Pilot + Clearsight-
AttackLogic + GunneryPilot + AutotargetingPilot + Targeting Autosoft
Melee DefenseInt. + Melee SkillPilot + Defense SoftwareInt. + Melee Skill
Raged DefenseInt.PilotInt.
Full DefenseInt. + DodgePilot + Defense SoftwarePilot + Dodge
Damage Resist.no changeno changeno change
InfiltrationInt. + InfiltrationPilot + Infiltration SoftwareInt. + Inf.
DrivingIntuition + Pilot Skill + HandlingPilot + Maneuver Autosoft + HandlingReaction + Pilot Skill + Handling
PerceptionInt. + PerceptionSensors + Response(Windowed Perception:) Int. + Perception -2
Sensor MonitoringInt. Electronic Warface + SensorsSensors + Clearsight AutosoftInt + Electronic Warface + Sensors

*Bonus dice possible from special equipment and Hot-Sim Mode.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

FrankTrollman wrote:

Threading
A technomancer can hack on the fly, but if she wishes to use Resonance Forms, she uses an Intuition + Compiling test rather than Software as her test to do so. This is called threading. Decompiling and Registering forms cannot be threaded.

Should be Resonance + Compiling, right?

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Same question here.
And how high is the rating ot the improvised software?


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Alright, I like Frank's rules on Recoil he made in a older batch of houserules. It seems to work and reward strong users, however it doesn't seem to allow Drones to wield automatic weapons without falling over. This is speaking of the biggest kind (Body 4), is there some ability to increase body that I'm missing in Arsenal, or the houserules?

Otherwise, looks like a decent fix is to make it armor instead, or add Body twice.
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If you can control your body's ability to move with EM waves in the Matrix, and your entire sensory capability, can Pain Regulators just be an app on your commlink?
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virgil wrote:
If you can control your body's ability to move with EM waves in the Matrix, and your entire sensory capability, can Pain Regulators just be an app on your commlink?


Structurally, I don't know why you couldn't make a Pain Editor piece of software. Considering how minor wound penalties are in SR4 compared to what they were like in SR1-3, it probably wouldn't be a huge deal.

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For the contract laborers in the near-barrens, what is the culture with regards to the Matrix like there? Do even the street corner child prostitutes of Chicago have datajacks or trode bracelets? Are meat-space casinos inherently dirty places, akin to underground fighting rings, because all of the real money happens in Matrix-only venues?
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Am I to understand that Pilot is not capped by the OS's System, or am I highly mistaken?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't see any reason to think that Pilot isn't capped by System just like the rest of the programs are.
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