No More Wishes!

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:21 am

To Prak: Opposed Charisma check. Monster fails, has to do whatever it is told, short of suicide.

JonSetanta · Post by **JonSetanta** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:41 am

Prak: If I encountered some guy fiddling around with multiple bags of holding I would soooo cast Disjunction on the whole mess just to watch the ensuing carnage of materials spill out into the surrounding area.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:47 pm

sigma999 wrote:Prak: If I encountered some guy fiddling around with multiple bags of holding I would soooo cast Disjunction on the whole mess just to watch the ensuing carnage of materials spill out into the surrounding area.

and that alone completely invalidates the idea?

SunTzuWarmaster · Post by **SunTzuWarmaster** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:39 pm

We have always played that Bags of Holding could not contain other Bags of Holding...

My point was that:
"We cart all the gold back. It takes time. Once that's done..."
is easily replaced by:
"We Teleport back to town and wish a new giant gold pile into existence there." (This take no time)

Gold has no value because ou walk around with a giant pile of it at your disposal.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:01 pm

Aktariel wrote:Frank and K's cap was 15K, if I'm not mistaken.

Also, Google "The Wish and The Word," and you can see how truly broken Wish is even without the greater powers.

That, and you get to see Frank and K optimize. It's %@$*&^ scary.

Googled it, but it did not come up on the first few pages.

It was in the WotC char-op "Siblings!" thread.

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:45 am

Prak_Anima wrote:as to the actual topic... why not just have the wish granting creature in question ask the most obvious question of all: "Why should I help you?" You can then have the players roleplay trying to convince the efreet or solar or whatever to either help them or "suffer the consequences". essentially.

Well, that stops working after a certain point. Efreet aren't particularly strong creatures, and would certainly throw out a wish or two if it meant not dying. "Why should I help you?" "Because I'll kill you if you don't."

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:07 am

Efreet that are rich (of which there are many) can probably buy a Magic Item with Dimensional Anchor, so they won't ever become the victim of Planar Binding.

SphereOfFeetMan · Post by **SphereOfFeetMan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:25 am

Jerry wrote:Efreet that are rich (of which there are many) can probably buy a Magic Item with Dimensional Anchor, so they won't ever become the victim of Planar Binding.

Yeah. That leads me to imagine a possible societal system of the Efreet, specifically, how they deal with punishing their own kind. Instead of imprisoning a criminal Efreet, they take away his Dimensional Anchor magic item for a year.

Now this miserable Efreet is on bitch-duty, constantly being summoned to grant mortals wishes. Since a summoning spell doesn't distinguish whether an Efreet currently has wish granting capability, he could be summoned dozens of times per day, and summarily ordered to do the bidding of frail humanoids.

That is why the Efreet you summon are always pissed off and evil.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:34 am

That makes a lot of sense, but the Efreet just needs to be lucky enough to get summoned by someone who will give him one of the 3 Staffs of 50 Wishes in return for his service.

That, and I don't plan on any time soon (if I do allow Wish) for characters at 9th level to get Wish.

Talisman · Post by **Talisman** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:55 am

So that's it! It's not that all efreet are evil; it's that mortals only ever manage to summon efreeti criminals!

Makes you wonder about pit fiends...

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:15 am

Talisman wrote:So that's it! It's not that all efreet are evil; it's that mortals only ever manage to summon efreeti criminals!

Makes you wonder about pit fiends...

Hurray, we came up with a good idea!

NoDot · Post by **NoDot** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:06 pm

Er... According to the Tome of Fiends, Efreeti, like all others from the lower planes, cannot be summoned while on the Prime, and apparently, they're usually content to just sit in a lamp of some sort-or somewhere else that's safe-and wait for you to ask for their assistance.

"OK, I'll let you stay here in my palace, but in exchange you must provide me-and only me-with access to your daily Wishes. Deal?"

JonSetanta · Post by **JonSetanta** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:14 pm

Talisman wrote:So that's it! It's not that all efreet are evil; it's that mortals only ever manage to summon efreeti criminals!

Makes you wonder about pit fiends...

"Your punishment for hoarding souls from your regional lord will be...

... 934 years as a Wish Bitch on the Prime planets, with no bail."

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:41 pm

NoDot wrote:Er... According to the Tome of Fiends, Efreeti, like all others from the lower planes, cannot be summoned while on the Prime, and apparently, they're usually content to just sit in a lamp of some sort-or somewhere else that's safe-and wait for you to ask for their assistance.

Makes the Prime a prime destination spot among Outsiders, then.

But what about the City of Brass? There has to be a reason so many efreet hang out there!

zeruslord · Post by **zeruslord** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:21 am

Jerry wrote:
Makes the Prime a prime destination spot among Outsiders, then.

But what about the City of Brass? There has to be a reason so many efreet hang out there!

The City of Brass is a major planar metropolis. That's actually enough reason for anybody to hang out there if they can. Same basic logic as Sigil in Planescape.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:45 am

Jerry wrote:
NoDot wrote:Er... According to the Tome of Fiends, Efreeti, like all others from the lower planes, cannot be summoned while on the Prime, and apparently, they're usually content to just sit in a lamp of some sort-or somewhere else that's safe-and wait for you to ask for their assistance.
Makes the Prime a prime destination spot among Outsiders, then.

But what about the City of Brass? There has to be a reason so many efreet hang out there!

Its their home?