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So you maybe remember everyone thinking australians seem nice. Then the internet happened and you all ended up talking to us.

Then people specifically from the uk us and canada were still like you guys seem nice. Right up until an australian ever mentioned aboriginals in any context. And people were shocked just wow the racism.

Well you may not know this but our otherwise cowardly lion level character of a current prime minister has made it a project to find a way to recreate this moment as a major high profile electoral incident for the whole world to experience.

As a continuation of a conservative party project (of course) we are holding a referendum.

A yes vote will grant aboriginals and torres straight islanders minor token constituitional recognition and what is essentially a representative committy that can give the government completely non binding advice in their interest rather like a lot of existing bodies that do for various industries and specialist fields already.

If we vote no they get nothing. Not in token or process and probably not ever again in my lifetime. They might even be technically barred from any form of future referrendum for any form of constitutional acknowledgement.

And lets not forget this is a nation that has a problem with viglantes murdering children because they were a bit too dark and just sorta thought maybe they stole a dirt bike or knew who did. A nation that holds a inquest into why no one is investigating deaths and dissapearances among black women and children and the police of an entire major state , in full public view just dont turn up. So getting nothing is a hell of a lot of nothing.

The conservative party has abandoned their own project and is trying to race bait up a new voter base on the back of it. When they arent fracturing to pieces over it due to complex personal and factional issues.

And the polling is fucking bleak. No could well win by 60%
In older whiter more rueal demographics losing by 60% looks like a kindly welcoming egalitarian populace.

Its all due what maybe a week from now. There is a good chance the racist vote has overplayed its hand. But it genuinely looks bad and you can expect polite international and australian society to be really fucking shocked.when what is now being predicted comes to pass in the numbers and places predicted.

I mean i live in the single most racist electorate in australia so im prepping on the optimistic off chance to be shocked by an outlier yes vote instead. But still watch thus space will next weekend be the day australia is acknowledged as the new apartheid south africa
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I didntmention theno campaign slogan and its a god damn doozy

"If you dont know vote no"

The whole campaign being that voting is too hard to understand so just vote racist because its comfortable.

It is a profoundly antidemocratic campaign. Racism preferences aside actively campaigning on " do no try and be part of a functioning informed democracy" is technically illegal in this country. And functionally an assualt on the most basic principles intended to make a democracy even function.

Also you know that appeasment line like they had for brexit. "Not all x voters are racist but all racists are x voters." Well heres my spin. "All racists are voting no. Draw your own conclusion about what your choice means you fucking dithering racist appeasing yob."

I am perhaps correctly not on any sort of yes campaign community reach out.

But then how could i be ive been mistaken for aboriginal and japanese and greek and arab by the white(er) locals here before and there would be workplace safety issues. Again.
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Yeah, I tried to point out "If Clive Palmer, Pauline Hanson, and Mister Potato HeadPeter Dutton all say to vote No, then that is the best reason to vote Yes ever. It doesn't even matter what else is going on, they are the litmus test of terrible."

And while that is entirely true, it's also sad that enough people don't actually know that, and listen to them. And it's also a problem that you need to rely on "Listen to those and do the opposite" rather than expecting everyone to understand the racist history (and present!) of their own country and pay any attention to the issues.
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Even seemingly decent australians dont like to face how racist a majority of other australians are.

The referendum hasnt really made them face it because unlesss you are campaigning no one that addled and fence sitting is actually required to talk to a no voter about their oppinions on aboriginals.

Maybe the result will require a bit of a culural reckonning. The polls suggest it.

I mean major demographics at over 75% against giving even token level acknowledgement. I mean likely to lose in most major cities and states.

But this a nation that faced out of control rioters in the streets running down brown people while screaming "kill the lebos kill the wogs" and just thought it was community minded beach protectors

You know that one time. And the prime minister. At that time refused to call that racist. Or bad.
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huh, i thought australia had been much better about how they treat their indigenous aboriginy population.
appearantly i was misinformed.
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Stahlseele wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:55 pm
huh, i thought australia had been much better about how they treat their indigenous aboriginy population.
appearantly i was misinformed.
As a rule, Australians like to pretend there isn't a problem. Every few years, society will suddenly realise that things aren't fine, there might be a brief kerfuffle and then back to ignoring things. The kerfuffle might lead to something being done in the name of doing something that makes things worse.

As an aside, Australian Aborigines are the most incarcerated people on the planet, bar none. And, dunno if it still is, but for some time every single juvenile in detention in the Northern Territory, 100% of them, were Aboriginal Australians.
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Interesting . .
To be honest, at least here in germany, no idea how it is in the rest of the old world, we do not really know all that much about ausfailia to begin with.
Aside from:
everything wants to kill you there.
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Stahlseele wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:01 pm
Interesting . .
To be honest, at least here in germany, no idea how it is in the rest of the old world, we do not really know all that much about ausfailia to begin with.
Aside from:
everything wants to kill you there.
That probably helps our reputation, yeah. Without wanting to sound like I'm saying "they do it too", there was some surprise at news of how Canadians treat their indigenous people, from people who've only know of Canada the reputation that they are nice.

Anyhoo, voted early (for Yes) today.
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Right, there was something about the Canadians doing some sketchy stuff with their indigenous people as well . .
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Right now i dont know how im going to vote in the referendum. I know which way im going to vote. I just dont know literally HOW im going to do the voting. Im stuck in issolation in hospital.
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So the no campaign has a lot of scare tactics and lies. Ties into all sorts of crack pot far right conspiracy and even the sovereign citizens movement.

Best one i have now heard from a prominent no leader. The accusation is that "they" want an entire parrallel government of equal size with their own military. Why? Because SECRET COMMUNIST UN TAKEOVER. Which needs ground troops that THIS referendum will somehow conjour.

Remember this is a referendum for a token non binding advisory body.
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And the No vote has won.
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I'm not surprised, just disappointed.

There are a number of reasons you could point to: Australians generally being racist dickheads (it's more likely than you think!), No having a "better campaign" than Yes (including the whole "You have to vote, so look, if you're not sure or this is the thing where you would stay at home if not for the fine, just vote no" thing and the straight-up lying (the LNP and their friends will always lie when they're allowed to, and often lie when they're not allowed to)), general voter confusion (you could sort of put that down to the No campaign, tbh), and of course the news media still thinking they all work for the LNP and giving Dutton airtime and helping push the no vote when that's not actually their job.

And there's plenty of talk about what this means for politicians. Not for aboriginals, of course, because the media pundits don't give a fuck about them. Also because a Yes vote wouldn't have made much difference for them anyway, much like when Kevin did the big national apology to the stolen generation and nothing happened. But had their voice been enshrined in the constitution... that still wouldn't necessarily change anything - it might lead to future changes, or might not. It is likely that the current results mean racists (such as the entire police force) feel more empowered to be shitty, but I can't guarantee that and you can sort of argue that's an unintended side effect "that technically should be prevented by the laws that already exist" (true) "and thus outside the scope of this discussion" (not true).

But no, they want to talk about how that is a blow for our PM and by being the one who put it forward, surely this damages his position. And... I haven't heard of anyone else in Labor gunning for his position and wanting to use this as their platform? They want to talk about how surely that's good for Dutton's prospects, but you see, LNP actually have to wait to the next election and win that before he can be PM, it doesn't matter what particular idea he successfully opposed and tore down. But the media need something to talk about, and actual aboriginals and Torres Straight islanders do not interest them.
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My local city voted Yes. Which is slightly surprising. And so if I had voted 20 minutes down the road I could say I contributed to a Yes vote which if replicated across the nation would have been almost exactly the margin required for an over all yes win.

But I actually live in the "rural" area surrounding that city and while I DID make it to a poll and vote despite significant obstacles my vote did nothing to swing my region away from a nearly 75% No.

Which is not surprising since my Region is also the region in Australia with the strongest One Nation voting block on the continent.

I'm waiting for
A) articles from Australian sources acknowledging our nation is now proven majority Racist.
B) articles from international sources saying hey, Australia kinda looking proven majority Racist there buddy.

But lets be clear, the strongest aspect of anti-aboriginal racism in Australia is different to our OTHER Racism because it has an incredible strong contingent of people who just refuse to give a shit about aboriginals as people at all. So... good luck with A, and frankly B kinda required this to otherwise internationally be a bit of a slow news week...

As for political implications. There will probably be next to none.

The CORRECT response from labor would be to say "Well referendum failed so no constitutionally acknowledged advisory body, but that was actually a conservative party project of token importance and nothing is stopping us from say... immediately legislating countless pending recommendations from several royal commissions into matters pertaining to indigenous welfare and rights that have been ignored for decades now." There IS a huge amount of specific practical legislation and this actually COULD be used as an opportunity to take a stand on it while its in the public eye.

But they won't because Anthony Albanese IS the cowardly lion and the party backers behind him are worse. They will LIKELY instead pivot to crazy anti-Palestinian bullshit to seize the moment and prove their white Australia credentials to what they will now decide is the new swing voter to target. I guarantee you all the shit pundits will be asking every labor figure from here to the next federal election "what are you doing this week to appeal to the average aussie battler brexit no-voting working class salt of the earth lovable mine working racist?"

So mostly its just an embarrassment and disappointment for approximately 30% of Australians who actually cared.

And for some Aboriginal communities and leaders. The possible biggest impact being essentially an entire generation of the most prominent aboriginal community leaders now basically have decided they and their entire strategy of reconciliation have been proven failures and now its time for a new generation of leaders to try "something else". Whatever the something that comes AFTER trying to ask nicely for minor acts of reconciliation is.

Which to me feels just a bit like exactly what the worst no-voters were fear peddling over. But of course those dumb fucks would end up voting for an outcome closer to their fears than they intended.

Personally. If I were some militant young aboriginal rights movement I would be looking to target various rural white vigilante communities active on facebook that have been endangering (and sometimes killing) a lot of kids in recent years.

As for what I can do. I can continue to call Australians a bunch of Racists in every forum I can. But that is hardly new. As for what else? Well I seriously barely made it to the polling station so...
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Ok some low profile articles asking the "is we racist" questions id like to see are around barely.

But my favourite so far was a first dog on the moon political cartoon on the topic in the guardian (au).

Not for anything it says or not itself. Its first dog on the moon "mostly innocious" is the name of the game.

No the deep telling part is the comments section.

Completely disabled from the get go. Something the guardian rarely does especially with first dog comics that are mostly for inane readership communitty bonding.

But the guardian disables comments for any story when they know it will be a total shit show and/or be one that breaches various race and other protected category hate speach laws.

Its an australian site comments section on an innocous comic relevant to aboriginals. So of course it needs to be comments disabled because fucking australians cant be trusted to comment on anything aboriginal adjacent without being so bad they breach race hate legislation and compromise a commercial news site legally.

It says it all really.
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So interesting dynamic from the conservative party here over the voice and its rejection.

The voice proposal was the result of a conservative party community consultation project during an era when they thought they could sort of coral the aboriginal vote in far north queensland.

They also thought they could guide that consiltation to the worthless token outcome they wanted. But they failed. The community firmly asked for a not especially valuable token outcome that the conservatives didnt want.

Which was the voice. So they back peddled and stalled all progress for a prime minister or two.

Then when labor brought it to actual referendum they remembered they had a deeply racist core voting block. So they opposed it.

But Dutton promised ANOTHER referendum on a similar but even more token acknowledgement. The one rejected by that community consultation process years ago.

Then no won and Dutton only waited to the first business day to reject the idea of his own second recerendum proposal because australians had already decided.

THEN he demanded an urgent audit into all government spending on aboriginals. You know what with australians for SOME reason suddenly thinking aboriginals are rolling in free money.

Then it turned out before that even got off the ground that the former conservative PMs hillsong church had been defruading aboriginal welfare programs and suddenly that direction was less interesting to Dutton.

So now Dutton wants an urgent enquiry into aborinal child abuse. With all the racist conotations of that you can read into that wording.

He is racisting hard. He is trying to make damn sure he and we look racist to anyone watching.

Oh and Dutton is a QLD liberal. And at the state level they just withdrew long standing bypartisan support for a so far very long and painfully slow treaty proccess they were involved in. Basically scuttling it because they now think fuch the far north aboriginal vote. QLD voted super racist in the referendum so ckearly they should make racism the big new state election issue there.

And i mean its QLD. Theyre right.

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NPL wrote:Then it turned out before that even got off the ground that the former conservative PMs hillsong church had been defruading aboriginal welfare programs and suddenly that direction was less interesting to Dutton.
So they are so disjointed in their approach that they are not even keeping tabs on all the scams they are running.
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Basically the previous conservative government was so incredibly full of scams that now every time they try to do anything they trip over one of their own recent historical scams.

Whats even better is one of the top three scam guys from that era is actually the same guy now running the conservative party in opposition.

But the only thing specifically relevant to the referendum that is personally related to him is that he campaigned at one point on some sort of schizophrenic position to do with aboriginal welfare being wildly underfunded and unknown step referendum bad.

Despite actually being the minister personally responsible for massive cuts to aboriginal welfare programs.

But most of his personal scams aren't to do with that and are usually to do with child care, customs and smuggling, cocaine, dodge rams, migration and migration related concentration camp service provision.
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