Youtube videos that make us Laugh, Cry, or Both

[Darth Rabbitt]

https://youtu.be/dP9Wp6QVbsk

[Chamomile]

Damn, I'd completely forgotten about Animusic. These videos were rare and elusive treasures back in the bad old days before YouTube became the one stop shop for every video ever made, whether the creators wanted it there or not.

[Stahlseele]

Arch Warhammer on Tuska Daemon-Killa and his invasion of Valhalla:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1epy5Y2jAg
I love this so much ^^

[Omegonthesane]

See I remember liking that lore when I saw it in the Chaos Daemons codex, but I've also seen Arch Warhammer's name mentioned as an example of what's wrong with the fandom due to his frustration re: accommodating fans from marginalised demographics.

[Stahlseele]

por que?

[DSMatticus]

He's an asshole who's upset about the new Sisters of Battle because having women in 40k is a slippery slope to... uhh... something something feminism. If you think that's me misrepresenting him (it's an almost verbatim tweet), then does it become any more believable if I tell you he unironically retweets pro-Trump bullshit?

He's a shithead, and his pet hobby-horse is running around and screaming "GET YOUR POLITICS OUT OF MY GAME" everytime someone says it'd be nice if they had characters that looked a bit like them. When people think recognizing the existence of women and minorities is a political issue, that's because their politics are fucking awful. "It's okay for women to ask for things like the Sisters of Battle to play as in their sci-fi games" is really not a controversial proposition. It's not someone shoving politics in your face. It's... just people fucking existing, and asking if they can have things in the game they can relate to the way other people do.

Sometimes I don't understand how people convince themselves shit like this is something they have to fight. How can a dude look at the 40k universe and not realize that they are swimming in a sea of dicks? That the choices are blatantly lopsided in their favor, and that maybe - just maybe - it would be okay if we spread some of that around?

I have so much difficulty believing it's self-interest. It seems so ridiculous that people stop and consciously think "hm, every female unit/model they design and print is a male unit/model they didn't. I would prefer more male models to choose from. Ergo, no female models ever!" People don't openly admit to themselves, even in their own thoughts, that they think the world should revolve around them. That's just so blatantly evil, and even most evil people don't actually think they're evil!

And it's not much easier to believe it's deliberate misogyny - that the point is to stop women from having nice things because fuck women. It can't be that there are assholes sitting around thinking "what do women want and how can I stop them from having it, ever?" How do you end up so fucked up that you think half of mankind are subhumans worthy of your scorn and petty vengeance? There are people like that, I'm sure, but they can't be enough to build movements like this. They can't. There just can't be that many that broken inside.

Is it really just political tribalism? If I say the magic three letters - 'SJW' - can I just turn off people's brains? Tap into whatever hate and rot the world's propaganda machines cultivate inside them, flip a little switch in their brain that says 'ENEMY' and watch them swarm like fucking bees? Is that really all it fucking is? That the entire discussion about whether or not people like Koumei deserve cool shit like the Sisters of Battle can just be bypassed with a fucking password - a goddamn rootkit someone installed in these people's souls?

I don't get it, but fuck, it's sad.

[Stahlseele]

Wat . .
The entire sisters of battle army list is female i think?. For Fluff Reasons really, as the ecclesiarchy was forbidden from having "MEN UNDER WEAPONS".
I am not sure about models, but at least fluffwise the entire non speech mehringues military is very much equal opportunity hell for both men and women right? O.o
Half or more of the eldar and dark eldar are female. Even Crossressing.
Tau have females in the fighting too right? @.@
Slaaneshi are . . whatever you/they want to be . .
Orks are neither male nor female, they are funghi.
Tyrannids are . . somewhat genderless led by queens though. And Gene-Stealer Cults?
Necrons . . had to have had females in their race before going undead terminator pharao and since then are . . neither nor as well right?
Chaos all in all aside from the traitor space mourines is equal opportunity as well, at least in fluff if not in models?
there are white dudes, there are black dudes, there are green dudes, there are red dudes . .

The only ones purely male are the primarchs and the spess mehrines because fluff again coming from big poppa pop Manemperor of Mankind and the geneseeeeeed not working with female bodies . .

40K literally can not be any more inclusive when it comes to the depiction of the universe and who/what kills whom/what . . or am i missing something here somehow?

How can one rail against something that is already there then?
I iz confuzzled @.@

[erik]

I didn't think anyone could look at WH40k minis and think they were not almost entirely masculine. Orks are called boyz for ghost's sake. Have you ever seen 1 female space marine model? Or a named female space marine character?

You're fooling yourself Stahlseele.

[Stahlseele]

right, i forgot about the orks being called boyz somehow . .

[Chamomile]

I am baffled that misogynists are so horrified at the idea of having more tits in their favorite games. I could understand if they were insistent upon unilaterally objectifying and demeaning depictions of women. Not "understand" in a "that's relatable" sense, but at least in the sense that it would be obvious how they benefit from that state of affairs. I do not understand - even at the level of "their goal is clear and I can see why someone might believe their actions will advance it" - why they would possibly want to have tits removed from their hobbies entirely.

[deaddmwalking]

I fundamentally believe that the Space Marines were created by homosexual men and were intended largely to appeal to homosexual men. To a very limited degree, I could see how someone approaching the hobby would feel that female space marines diminish a group that they identify with. That said, I don't think the vast majority of players believe that Space Marines are intended to be gay stand-ins. From my relatively limited participation in the hobby, I feel that there are just as many men arguing that Space Marines whore it up as are celibate/sexually dysfunctional.

I think the 'fluff' that women can't be Space Marines is stupid. One of my friends who was running a Deathwatch Game created a 'lost chapter' of Space Marines where the primarch (and all the Space Marines) are female. The 'lore' is that the galaxy isn't ready for this reveal, so their existence is a secret except at the highest levels of the ecclesiarchy.

From my perspective, such a decision simply makes the game world BETTER. It doesn't directly contradict anything (so much is unknown about the time of the Emperor and so much else is already contradictory so it's just one more narrative among many), but ultimately, I think that having men and women equally in all the Chapters is the way to go. Ultimately, it doesn't CHANGE anything from a perspective of the lore. If half the people under helmets are female, so what? Bald headed or short hair or long hair, those can be women, too. And I don't see any reason why Space Marine females need comically over-sized breast armor. Just saying 'women are advanced to Space Marines at the same rate as men' just works.

[Thaluikhain]

40K literally can not be any more inclusive when it comes to the depiction of the universe and who/what kills whom/what . . or am i missing something here somehow?

You really really are.

I don't have a problem with marines all being male due to geneseed, nor all Sisters being female due to religious reasons. You are going to do that, fine.

Having sisters have boobs on their power armour, some with high heels and half-naked penitents...sigh, I'll add greenstuff.

There are currently two (2) female IG models you can get, both metal figures from the Last Chancers set (with 10 men). In the Guard codices the paint schemes for IG are overwhelmingly white as well as all male. Most IG characters in fluff or BL novels are male as well.

More or less everyone is cishet (I can think of perhaps 3 exceptions)...with the exception of worshippers of Slaanesh, one of the 4 utterly evil daemon gods. That's not great inclusion.

In theory, the IG and SMs could be racially diverse, in practice you don't see this so much. Sisters too, for that matter. That is, while there are chapters and regiments that are recruited from dark skinned people, they don't tend to be focused on.

As an aside, way back when there was a kerfuffle because the Codex: Armageddon had a picture of a Salamanders captain mini painted with dark skin. Gasp! Salamanders are PoC! There was a Salamander with a flamer with white skin (this was back when it was cool for flamer marines to go bare headed but wear a respirator) that went unnoticed.

So, briefly Salamanders were black. The fluff was soon changed so that when they became marines they turned black, coal-black and got red-glowing eyes, cause a normal black marine frightened and confused people.

[MGuy]

That thing about the Salamanders is fucked up and I had not heard about that before. Considering the reaction to a black storm trooper though I do not doubt that very likely happened.

As for Arch I don't think he's against having tits in the hobby. He's dumb, not a misogynist. He's the dumb kind of guy who accepts anti-SJW rhetoric at face value. A useful idiot who pedals the same re-branded right wing talking points without even realizing who the people he's parroting are. If it seems confusing that a guy like him would want to keep tits out of the hobby, I don't think that's his goal. He's a grognard who's resistant to changes of the status quo who also has eaten up the coded dog whistles and propaganda while being too lazy/dumb to actually take a critical eye to the bullshit he repeats.

Also his videos are not all that good. 40K Theories is better IMO.

[Stahlseele]

i tried 40k theories, but i can't stand that voice x.x
Arch has such a nice listening to voice to me ._.

[Whipstitch]

Arch is functionally misogynistic. There's a wide swath of dipshits out there for whom the problem isn't that they dream of Springtime for Hitler or shoving every woman back into the kitchen. Instead, the problem is that they simply don't quite identify the Other as belonging on the same team and so it doesn't even occur to them to feel guilty about siding with the Alt-Right's favored candidates in exchange for a small tax break to be rolled back later. It's never "We're getting a new female figure" it's "They took our jerbs minis!". Call it the depraved heart of modern identity politics.

[maglag]

One good thing that could be said about THQ's games is that they go out of their way to diversify 40k characters. Every Farseer character was a girl, we got a brown Inquisitor and a brown Librarian, female Knight pilot and female IG commander.

Wat . .
The entire sisters of battle army list is female i think?. For Fluff Reasons really, as the ecclesiarchy was forbidden from having "MEN UNDER WEAPONS".

Yeah that was changed. There's totally male priests with weapons now.

In the sisters codex.

They're the buff leaders, meaning you have men ordering women around. In the supposedly girls club. One of them is even an unique character!

I am not sure about models, but at least fluffwise the entire non speech mehringues military is very much equal opportunity hell for both men and women right? O.o

Haha, you wish!

Besides the already mentioned scarcity of actual female troopers models, even in the fluff there are multiple imperial guard regiments which are heavily if not full male. In Ice Guard, there's a "party" of Valhallan Ice Warriors that have one woman. She's explicitly there because she's sterile, and she spends half her time angsting about the fact she can't do her "duty" as a woman to stay at their home planet popping more guardsmen.

Half or more of the eldar and dark eldar are female. Even Crossressing.

But when you count their special characters, most of them still have dicks.

Tau have females in the fighting too right? @.@

Pretty much the best case, including having a woman as their main military commander.

Now guess which army is more hated by the fandom and has been getting the short stick of the rules.

The only ones purely male are the primarchs and the spess mehrines because fluff again coming from big poppa pop Manemperor of Mankind and the geneseeeeeed not working with female bodies . .

Now guess which faction is the most popular one. That's right, it's the one that explicitly goes "No girlz allowed, NEVER, they have cooties" and that also just happen to go "We're the bestest ones there is at everything!"

[Pariah Dog]

You also missed the female inquisitor in Dow 2 retribution. The one that the Ork Freebooter wants her 'at as payment.

Besides the already mentioned scarcity of actual female troopers models, even in the fluff there are multiple imperial guard regiments which are heavily if not full male. In Ice Guard, there's a "party" of Valhallan Ice Warriors that have one woman. She's explicitly there because she's sterile, and she spends half her time angsting about the fact she can't do her "duty" as a woman to stay at their home planet popping more guardsmen.

Without dipping into the lore of 40k, the lack of female IG models might be a of a cost thing. Given that you put the models together in pieces assuming they gave enough of a shit would have to give you more pieces in a pack (male arm with special weapon and and female arm with special weapon, possibly the same with las rifles) and given that they already charge you an arm and a leg for the models I can see them being too cheap make extra moulds.

Also Ork's master race. WAAAAAGH.

[maglag]

You also missed the female inquisitor in Dow 2 retribution. The one that the Ork Freebooter wants her 'at as payment.

Technically true, but female inquisitors were something actually already relatively common in 40K lore (Ivixia Dannica, Lady Helen Jerico, Ligea, Antonia Mesmeron, Lady Jena Orechiel, Lady Olianthe Rathbone, Amberly Vail at the top of my head). That's probably more named women that get to order men around in 40K than every other imperial faction put together.

Really ironic that the Imperium's organization that's supposed to be more hateful and backwards thinking is also the one most willing to give power to women.

Besides the already mentioned scarcity of actual female troopers models, even in the fluff there are multiple imperial guard regiments which are heavily if not full male. In Ice Guard, there's a "party" of Valhallan Ice Warriors that have one woman. She's explicitly there because she's sterile, and she spends half her time angsting about the fact she can't do her "duty" as a woman to stay at their home planet popping more guardsmen.

Without dipping into the lore of 40k, the lack of female IG models might be a of a cost thing. Given that you put the models together in pieces assuming they gave enough of a shit would have to give you more pieces in a pack (male arm with special weapon and and female arm with special weapon, possibly the same with las rifles) and given that they already charge you an arm and a leg for the models I can see them being too cheap make extra moulds.

They're already making extra moulds all the time. Like Celestine got a plastic model last year and now sisters of battle in general will get plastic too. One can hope we'll get plastic female Astra Militarum in the future.

Then we'll only need plastic female guardians and fire warriors.

No need to go full Banpresto and add boobs to crisis suits and wraithknights and titans though.

Also Ork's master race. WAAAAAGH.

Da proper spelling is "WWWAAAGHHH!!!" ya gitz! Multiple exclamation points for real orkyness!

[Omegonthesane]

They're already making extra moulds all the time. Like Celestine got a plastic model last year and now sisters of battle in general will get plastic too. One can hope we'll get plastic female Astra Militarum in the future.

Then we'll only need plastic female guardians and fire warriors.

No need to go full Banpresto and add boobs to crisis suits and wraithknights and titans though.

Dollars to donuts the kind of low-key not-aware-that-they-are sexists that would have gone this long without making female models will let a gendered crisis suit as far as production.

...although admittedly they didn't do that to Shadowsun and she isn't even in a mech.

[Thaluikhain]

Yeah that was changed. There's totally male priests with weapons now.

In the sisters codex.

They're the buff leaders, meaning you have men ordering women around. In the supposedly girls club. One of them is even an unique character!

That always was the case, Jacobus is a character from 2nd ed at least, and they've never updated the models, IIRC. Excepting the priest with Eviscerator that used to be part of an Inquisitors retinue from 3rd or 4th ed, IIRC.

Without dipping into the lore of 40k, the lack of female IG models might be a of a cost thing. Given that you put the models together in pieces assuming they gave enough of a shit would have to give you more pieces in a pack (male arm with special weapon and and female arm with special weapon, possibly the same with las rifles) and given that they already charge you an arm and a leg for the models I can see them being too cheap make extra moulds.

Doubt it, they didn't have a trouble with female Dark Eldar. Or, back in the day, single piece metal models, could have had one of the dozen or so per regiment be female. Actually, they did have one metal Catachan female with grenade launcher, they stopped selling those ones long before they stopped selling metal male Catachans with special weapons.

Technically true, but female inquisitors were something actually already relatively common in 40K lore (Ivixia Dannica, Lady Helen Jerico, Ligea, Antonia Mesmeron, Lady Jena Orechiel, Lady Olianthe Rathbone, Amberly Vail at the top of my head). That's probably more named women that get to order men around in 40K than every other imperial faction put together.

Really ironic that the Imperium's organization that's supposed to be more hateful and backwards thinking is also the one most willing to give power to women.

As an aside, when they got rid of the Witch-Hunters range, they moved the male Inquisitors models into the Inquisition, and stopped selling the female ones. They did bring them back as made to order, briefly, but I was too slow to order any. Argh.

and now sisters of battle in general will get plastic too. One can hope we'll get plastic female Astra Militarum in the future.

Wait wait wait wait, what? They are finally making a plastic sisters range? For real this time? There's been talk about that since forever.

Also, as for plastic Astra Militarum, that's basically any plastic human not wearing power armour. So, Escher gangs and maybe if they release Blood Bowl Amazons sometime?

(Also, why do all female models have to have sashes/loin cloths, whatever else they are wearing? What's with that?)

[maglag]

That always was the case, Jacobus is a character from 2nd ed at least, and they've never updated the models, IIRC. Excepting the priest with Eviscerator that used to be part of an Inquisitors retinue from 3rd or 4th ed, IIRC.

I don't have the book at hand right now, but I believe the old With Hunters codex didn't have Elite slot male priests, and even if they did, they were not done as something that you basically had to take or suck (more).

Doubt it, they didn't have a trouble with female Dark Eldar. Or, back in the day, single piece metal models, could have had one of the dozen or so per regiment be female. Actually, they did have one metal Catachan female with grenade launcher, they stopped selling those ones long before they stopped selling metal male Catachans with special weapons.

Even Imperial players get the female Death Cult assassins. 40K seems to have less trouble with girlz as long as they're dressed in tight latex and charging into melee. Somebody at GW clearly has a dominatrix fetish.

and now sisters of battle in general will get plastic too. One can hope we'll get plastic female Astra Militarum in the future.

Wait wait wait wait, what? They are finally making a plastic sisters range? For real this time? There's been talk about that since forever.

The absence of faith is the mark of the weak.
The absence of faith is the mark of the heretic.
The absence of faith is the mark of damnation.

[Thaluikhain]

I don't have the book at hand right now, but I believe the old With Hunters codex didn't have Elite slot male priests, and even if they did, they were not done as something that you basically had to take or suck (more).

*rummages*

Technically no, they were HQ choices, and didn't take up a slot. 0-5, must be attached to squads, let you re-roll to hit on first turn of combat.

Doesn't specify male. I've got a bunch of escher with pistol and CC weapons (there's are loads of those) left over from making converted IG, painted them red (badly) and tended to use those.

Even Imperial players get the female Death Cult assassins. 40K seems to have less trouble with girlz as long as they're dressed in tight latex and charging into melee. Somebody at GW clearly has a dominatrix fetish.

John Blanche. Well, maybe not just him, but a lot of his art around the time the Inquisition game was released (including the stuff the Death Cultists were based on, which the 40k Death Cultists were also based on) was dominatrices with scary spikes and bionics. He said in an interview how he liked the contrast between soft female curves and spiky things, or something. Which...yeah...

The absence of faith is the mark of the weak.
The absence of faith is the mark of the heretic.
The absence of faith is the mark of damnation.

Oh! I best panic buy the old metal ones, before...oh...2019

2019, Emperor Willing. Nevermind then.

[Stahlseele]

Somebody needs to fix their tags.

[Thaluikhain]

Damnit.

[erik]

Y'all would rather live in a world of bills than a world of fictional creatures that you can raise, and love...