Why are my avatars 'scary'?

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

1162867900[/unixtime]]Why do my avatars always get negative comment, anyhow?


I work really hard on making them fast, snappy, and color balanced.

-Crissa

Well, this one is a lil... strange to me, not knowingit was SL or even what SL is, but your previous ones bothered me because you were trying to badger a minor into allowing you to use a somewhat sexually graphic naked centaur, and kept poking the issue with a stick. Had he not been a minor, it probably wouldnt have been a big deal, but i rather object to showing a minor pics of boobs saying "can i use this one?" "its ART come on, let me use this one"

One mans art is another mans porn, and vice versa. Naked avatars are not always appropriate, be it art or not.

But i'd have to side with some of the others and say that its largely a combination of your reactions, and your crusades.

[Maj]

One mans art is another mans porn, and vice versa. Naked avatars are not always appropriate, be it art or not.

Technically, on these boards, naked avaters are not appropriate, period. It doesn't matter whether they're art or porn.

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

1163287859[/unixtime]]

One mans art is another mans porn, and vice versa. Naked avatars are not always appropriate, be it art or not.

Technically, on these boards, naked avaters are not appropriate, period. It doesn't matter whether they're art or porn.

very true, as it is against policy, so making a crusade about it is pointless anyway, minor involved or not

[Desdan_Mervolam]

1162992586[/unixtime]]Why would you admit that so readily?

Do you have any problem admitting you're a D&D geek?

Also, what is your 'fursona'?

Cat. I've never really liked some furries insistance that the word "Fur" must be incorporated into every word that it could kinda fit in and still give you an idea of what's being said. I have my own insecurities without dealing with other people's.

-Des

[Crissa]

See, look, you're using the word 'sexually' where there is no sex. Literally.

I find it insulting that someone else's problems with nudity - especially non sexually explicit, not even showing any genitals - has to hedge in upon my community.

Why does someone else's town's 'values' (or lack thereof, in my view) have to insult my body? Or have against a cartoon character that doesn't even have nipples?

-Crissa

[Draco_Argentum]

1163315897[/unixtime]]I've never really liked some furries insistance that the word "Fur" must be incorporated into every word that it could kinda fit in and still give you an idea of what's being said.

Its not as obnoxious as the idea that human must be intentionly missspelt.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

Crissa, you just have to accept the fact that breasts are considered sexual in America. You can't change that.

Sure, you might make good points, but ultimately it doesn't matter, you are powerless to change it.

Sure, you can pester people about it, but really that's the limit. If BBBoy says no nipples, then you have to either deal or not post on the boards.

That's not something Maj can change, that's not something fbmf can change, that's handed down from above, set in stone, and completely static.

Whether it makes sense or not is completely irrelevant, that's the way things are, and we are powerless to change them.

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

1163322411[/unixtime]]See, look, you're using the word 'sexually' where there is no sex. Literally.

I find it insulting that someone else's problems with nudity - especially non sexually explicit, not even showing any genitals - has to hedge in upon my community.

Why does someone else's town's 'values' (or lack thereof, in my view) have to insult my body? Or have against a cartoon character that doesn't even have nipples?

-Crissa

Oh, so boobs that are creepily lacking nipples are somehow better than boobs that have them.... lol.

Nobody cares what your personal opinion is of your own avatars, quite clearly you like them. And the term i used was sexually graphic, not explicit.

You have to just get used to the fact that:

1. Some people find weird naked horsepeople to be a lil creepy as an avatar.

2. Some people find your fetish for weird naked horsepeople to be a lil creepy in general

3. Nudity, sexual or not, is not appropriate for avatars, especially in relation to BBoys rules.

You cannot change these things no matter how many years you whine about it. People have a different opinion than you... so?

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

Do you have any problem admitting you're a D&D geek?

Unless I'm mistaken on who said they were embarassed to admit they played DnD, he does. Not sure why....

[MrWaeseL]

Yeah, I do. So the idea of admitting you have any kind of attraction to animals is really weird to me.

[fbmf]

I'm going to regret asking this, but...

Maybe I'm just naive and/or behind the times, but...I thought being a furry meant you liked dressing up as an animal and liked to think of yourself as an animal, but not necessarily that you desired to commit acts of bestiality and/or found animals sexually appealing.

This is not to say that there are not furries out there who do "bestialize" (is that a word?) and/or find animals sexually appealing, but not all (or even most) furries are like that.

Am I wrong?

Game On,
fbmf

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

I think there are different levels of Furry (i dunno what they are all called, if they even have classifications)

I think the generic furry is someone who identifies with animals and anthropomorphic animals, but not necessarily in a sexual way.

Then theres the ones that identity with them, and find other furries and anthro's to be sexually appealing.

Farther down the scale really arent furries from my understanding

*note that i could be way off in my post, because I'm not truly in the "know", these are things i've picked up over the last year or two

[Crissa]

1163364449[/unixtime]]Maybe I'm just naive and/or behind the times, but...I thought being a furry meant you liked dressing up as an animal and liked to think of yourself as an animal, but not necessarily that you desired to commit acts of bestiality and/or found animals sexually appealing.

This is not to say that there are not furries out there who do "bestialize" (is that a word?) and/or find animals sexually appealing, but not all (or even most) furries are like that.

Well, you're attributing many facets as being core tenets.

The only core tenet to the Furry fandom is liking anthropomorphism.

There are 'fursuiters' who costume; there are lifestylers who act like animals; there are mysticals who see spirit animals; there are cartoonists; there are animators; there are writers; there are even singers and songwriters... And people who think they're reincarnated dragons. It's all, in a way, art, and fandom.

And yes, there are those who fall in love, literally, sexually, with animals - but we don't talk about them because, well, it's illegal and anyhow, literally everyone knows someone who has or has had a life companion with an animal, sexual or not. From the crazy cat-lady to the horse lover to Big Ben and Dances with Wolves, it's a part of human culture. Half our slang is devoted to comparing people with animals or parts of animals in positive or negative ways - it's inescapable.

Anthropomorphism has been a part of human culture since the Neanderthal walked the Earth - maybe even longer, but that's as far back as we have physical evidence. It can be used - like colored hair in Japanese pop culture - to identify stereotypes, characters, and feelings which are otherwise more difficult to emote in graphical or literal manners.

And some people just think animals are cute.

-Crissa

PS - I live in America, too, and what makes your sexualized fetish for breasts more important than my local mores? It is literally illegal here for someone to force a woman to cover her breasts - much like it's illegal for someone to force women into a buhrka to walk the country's streets.

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

Where is it legal for a woman to walk bare-breasted in America?

And I don't remember saying I had a fetish for breasts... I'm not a lesbian. But it *is* the law, and it *is* the rules for the forum. Are you seriously trying to argue this?

[Neeek]

1163383755[/unixtime]]Where is it legal for a woman to walk bare-breasted in America?

Um...Everywhere, as far as I know. As long as you aren't exposing yourself to individuals as opposed to everyone, I'm pretty sure the 1st and 14th amendments will do just fine protecting you.

And specifically to what Crissa was talking about, I've personally seen dozens of women walking around completely naked in downtown Santa Cruz, which I believe is where she lives.

[Amethyst_Butterfly]

Hmm, i think my reply didnt go thru. Thats interesting though, ive never heard of a place in america that allowed partial nudity in public places... indecent exposure and all that.

[User3]

And actually that is the point of the whole issue. Nudity is fine out in the public - as long as the aren't any local laws (or rules) against it. That is what Maj is mentioning: the understanding is that BBBoy doesn't allow allow nudity for their avatars. Now does that photos (porn) or does it include illustrations? Does it include showing nipples? Maj mentions that it includes illustrations and such, but at the end of the day, it's up to the moderators to decide.

And, as others have mentioned, just because one thinks that something is acceptable doesn't mean that others will be as accepting. One could go around with a custom title, 'Hitler was right!" and claim 1st amendment to do so, but that doesn't mean that others have to be accepting of the message.

[MrWaeseL]

Crissa, when you find yourself talking about 'The core tenet to the Furry[sic] fandom', perhaps it's time to reevaluate your life.

The first one, I mean.

[MrWaeseL]

Excuse the text on the picture, I didn't make it.



I'll admit that's a pretty convincing costume.

And the picture is cute until you realise there's a guy (or girl) in the costume.

edit: changed hosts

[Zherog]

I see a little banner that says, "no linking from this host"

[Crissa]

1163601253[/unixtime]]And the picture is cute until you realise there's a guy (or girl) in the costume.

...There's a guy in the Minnie Mouse costume. So what? One's having fun doing it, the other is being paid to do it.

I vote for fun, myself.

-Crissa

[MrWaeseL]

Well I think Mickey Mouse costumes are kinda creepy as well.

[Josh_Kablack]

I gotta vote that the Disney costumes are way creepier than that pic.

I mean, that kids wearing a hat, boots and a thick coat and the adult in the background has mittens. Disney World is in Florida and open all summer long.

[fbmf]

Mr. Waesel, when my mom was a teenager she had a job dressing up as Winnie the Pooh. Its just a job. Although my mother lives in a different state and we don't speak regularly, I can say with a fair degree of credulity that Mom is not, in fact, a furry.

Game On,
fbmf

[Count Arioch the 28th]

I heard that if you're in one of the mickey mouse costumes in Disney World, and you puke in your giant head, you get fired for taking it off.