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Making GP out of blood

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The Blood Sorcerer(I think that's the name) from Tome and Blood can substitute blood for costly Material components. Fabricate has an M component that is the material to be changed with a value equal to the raw materials cost of the items he wants to create.

Now, it may not make much sense, but if the BS can substitute for any M component, there you go.

Coins made from blood. Instantaneous Duration. Better than PaO and MC added together!
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It's a lot weirder than that.

Fabricate doesn't have a material component of equal value to the materials you would need to make the item - it has a material component which is the target of the spell. The target of the spell simply has to be the same substance as the goods. You transform trees into buildings, not planks of wood into buildings. The trees don't have to have any particular value at all, they can be eucalyptus.

It's uncosted, and because of that it is not a "costly material component". This means two things:

1> You can make the claim that your two pound spell component pouch contains all of the materials required to build a half tonne sailboat.

and more importantly:

2> Having Eschew Material Components means that you don't need raw materials at all.

You don't have to make coins out of blood, you can make them out of air if you have EMC.

This is part of a problem with the material components rules. The material components are supposed to be things you need to cast the spell, but are often completely extraneous jokes thrown onto spells for no good reason. Those are removable from spells via Eschew, Limited Wish, or Shadow Replication, but some of the "components" are actually the spell target. And that means that you can really cast these spells successfully without a valid target.

What is supposed to happen when you duplicate Leomund's Secret Chest without actually having a chest? What happens when you cast Changestaff with no staff? You can successfuly do these things, because the material components rules got so bogged down with retarded crap that they ended up not cover the things which they are actually for - covering the fact that sometimes your spell doesn't make any god damned sense if it isn't cast with an object on hand.

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SRD wrote:Fabricate
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 5
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: See text
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: Up to 10 cu. ft./level; see text
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
You convert material of one sort into a product that is of the same material. Creatures or magic items cannot be created or transmuted by the fabricate spell. The quality of items made by this spell is commensurate with the quality of material used as the basis for the new fabrication. If you work with a mineral, the target is reduced to 1 cubic foot per level instead of 10 cubic feet.
You must make an appropriate Craft check to fabricate articles requiring a high degree of craftsmanship.
Casting requires 1 round per 10 cubic feet (or 1 cubic foot) of material to be affected by the spell.
Material Component: The original material, which costs the same amount as the raw materials required to craft the item to be created.



EMC only works with components costing less than 1 GP.
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That was me above.
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PHB wrote:Material Component: The original material.


Not that this is at all important, since Fabricate allows any amount of iteration of crafting. So you can smelt the ore into the metal to make the spoon instead of making the spoon by itself.

And so since it is possible for some arbitrary number of rounds of crafting (each multiplying the value by 3) to start with some value less than a gold piece and end up at any particular other value of gold pieces, it fits in EMC, and allows you to go nuts with the vaporware.

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Re: Making GP out of blood

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When the material component is the target of the spell, I don't think anything is going to get you away from requiring it. After all a spell with an improper target fizzles, and something like eschew material components just lets you cast the spell without the components it doesnt' necessarily let you cast it successfully. Its much like casting a magic missile at an object. The spell just doesn't work.
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