The appropriate amount of sexual content in D&D.
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The same has happened to a lot of characters in the Soul Edge/Calibur series. The sexualization of the female cast has upped significantly with every new game, and in 4 it's just ridiculous.Ganbare Gincun wrote:What the fuck is up with Ivy's tits? Her rack has exploded in size since she was first introduced. Good god.
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Franky, even when he's just being his normal cyborg self, still runs around in an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt and a speedo. Even in the snow.Caedrus wrote: And being a pervert is a running gag for Franky.
So it's okay for your character to be a nudist or run around in combat lingerie but not in chainmail bikinis?Caedrus wrote: Chainmail bikinis fall into this category. It's always out of place and it dehumanizes any character that's wearing one.
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In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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Counterpoint: Makri in the Thraxas books.Chainmail bikinis fall into this category. It's always out of place and it dehumanizes any character that's wearing one.
She wears the chianmail bikini solely to increase the tips she earns as a barmaid in to help fund her courses at the Guild College and the secret intrigues that the Association of Gentlewomen works to wear away at the patriarchial order in Turai.
Yeah, it's a bit of self-referential winking at the fantasy trope of the chainmail bikini, but it's not really out-of-place and it actually helps to humanize an otherwise superhuman character.
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Well sure, but that's not the way it's used in, for example, Red Sonja. In Makri's case it's actually included in the story for a reason. It doesn't really change my point at all: The problem isn't with the attire itself, but rather the context (or lack thereof) for it. If it makes you any happier, I'll say "chainmail bikinis almost always fall into this category."Josh_Kablack wrote:Counterpoint: Makri in the Thraxas books.Chainmail bikinis fall into this category. It's always out of place and it dehumanizes any character that's wearing one.
She wears the chianmail bikini solely to increase the tips she earns as a barmaid in to help fund her courses at the Guild College and the secret intrigues that the Association of Gentlewomen works to wear away at the patriarchial order in Turai.
Yeah, it's a bit of self-referential winking at the fantasy trope of the chainmail bikini, but it's not really out-of-place and it actually helps to humanize an otherwise superhuman character.
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Oh boy, I used the word "always" instead of "almost always." As if people don't do that for all sorts of things. People don't typically mean "literally everyone knows that Fighters suck" when they say "Everyone knows Fighters suck" for example.Leress wrote:That means that your statement is poorly written.
Unexplained nonsensical sexualized attire that lacks any kind of appropriate context is out of place and dehumanizes the character. Chainmail bikinis usually fall into this category (but might not in the case of, say, a person wearing a costume for the express purpose of arousing customers to get more tips in the context of the story). Better?Leress wrote:It's not only the problem of using the word "always" instead of "almost always" it is also you said that it always dehumanizes the person doing it.
(Edited since Leress deleted his reply after I responded to it...)
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They're wearing it because it's titillating to the invisible viewer. Not because it's comfortable or protective or honorable or whatever, but strictly because it's titillating.Caedrus wrote:The problem isn't with the attire itself, but rather the context (or lack thereof) for it.
That a good enough reason? That straightforward enough?
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Ah, I see.Leress wrote:I did that since I read your post from the previous page.Caedrus wrote:
(Edited since Leress deleted his reply after I responded to it...)
But it seems like someone else didn't...
Lago, learn to read. That falls pretty straightforwardly into the category I described.Lago PARANOIA wrote:They're wearing it because it's titillating to the invisible viewer. Not because it's comfortable or protective or honorable or whatever, but strictly because it's titillating.Caedrus wrote:The problem isn't with the attire itself, but rather the context (or lack thereof) for it.
That a good enough reason? That straightforward enough?
Last I checked, "the invisible viewer" wasn't part of the setting context in D&D.[/b]My problem isn't with whether people wear revealing clothing (or even if they wear anything at all), it has to do with characters who are dressed really obviously absurdly for the sole purpose of titillation, outside of any in-story context, often even at the expense of story if need be (For example, the Fanservice Girl character never, ever having her stripperific costume she wears all the time commented on in an RPG, even if such things are commented on for other people when plot appropriate). Likewise, this wouldn't be an issue to me if it were in something that is *about* sexualization, like porn. But D&D isn't that.
Yeah, I really enjoyed Soul Edge.Count Arioch the 28th wrote:It's really a shame, that used to be my favorite fighting game.
Mmm... Sometimes. I discovered recently, though, that I have a personal bias against [most] images of chicks with short hair. That one is OK, though.Caedrus wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I strongly prefer this kind of image to chainmail bikinis.
In a world where wearing a ring somehow protects you better, I have no problem believing that the chainmail bikini actually does something. This isn't to say that I think every character should be wearing one, just that it's more justifiable than you give it credit for.Caedrus wrote:rather than pretending that chainmail bikinis are actual protective wear.
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What kind of prude backwards attitude is this? 'dehumanizes' o.OCaedrus wrote:Chainmail bikinis fall into this category. It's always out of place and it dehumanizes any character that's wearing one.
Welcome to the 19th century.
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Not to mention we're talking about a game where if someone got the most protective benefit out of wearing a duck on his head, he'd, at least, seriously consider the option.K wrote:I've always thought the easiest solution for the chain-mail bikini was the simple argument that:
A. Magic armor doesn't need a lot of material since it protects you with force fields, and...
B. Dirty old man Wizards make the bulk of magic armor.
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I personally think that boobs generally "humanize" people. To the point where when people put boobs onto lizard people I'm like "Stop anthropomorphizing those guys so damn much!" I really have no problem with people dressing for "rule of cool" rather than practicality in fantasy.
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They can have my chainmail bikini when they pry it off my cold, dead penis.Koumei wrote:And if chainmail bikinis have to go, then my vote goes to Greek style, with naked boobs.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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Thanks for the visualLago PARANOIA wrote:They can have my chainmail bikini when they pry it off my cold, dead penis.Koumei wrote:And if chainmail bikinis have to go, then my vote goes to Greek style, with naked boobs.
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Men, this is why you shouldn't try to masturbate with somebody's chainmail bikini. It will have to be pried off your cold, dead penis.Lago PARANOIA wrote:They can have my chainmail bikini when they pry it off my cold, dead penis.Koumei wrote:And if chainmail bikinis have to go, then my vote goes to Greek style, with naked boobs.
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I vote for full Greek style, with naked boobs and naked men a la 300. The reaping mauler should totally be some super fit guy wearing nothing.Koumei wrote:Boobs are awesome.
And if chainmail bikinis have to go, then my vote goes to Greek style, with naked boobs.
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Full Greek style. Nothing but aPrak_Anima wrote: I vote for full Greek style, with naked boobs and naked men a la 300. The reaping mauler should totally be some super fit guy wearing nothing.
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