Still more Threads that make us Laugh, Cry, or Both

[Voss]

So the slab of meat that didn't do damage? Yeah. D&D all the way. Weapon damage didn't scale for shit. The best you could do was hope that the DM would take pity on you and just give you the combination of items and artifacts (gauntlets, girdle and hammer) that would really let you pretend to be Thor.

3rd edition actually improved fighters quite a bit. But didn't go far enough. 4e is actually a step back for fighters (and cripples everybody else with a severe kneecapping).

Bullshit. In D&D, damage didn't scale much, but neither did HP. A 2e great wyrm red dragon had 27 HD, or about 120 HP. A 3e GWRD has 40 HP, for 660 hp.

A 2e balor had 13 HD, about 60 HP (vs. 290). The tarrasque had only 300 HP.

HP didn't scale much, but they scaled more than damage did. And I'm more than willing to say that dropping the HP cap was one of 3rd edition major and serious flaws. It broke a hell of a lot.

A 1st level fighter (with con and str maxed, which is absurd, but whatever) had about 14 hit points, and a 20th level fighter had about 118. That same fighter (at 1st level) did roughly 13.5 damage if he had max strength and weapons specialization, and did about 28.5 damage assuming a belt of storm giant strength and a +5 weapon (so about 57 per round with two attacks). Damage is up by a factor of 4.2, and HP are up by a factor of 8.

But more importantly, there was nothing for the fighter to do but move in and make his two attacks. By contrast, a 12th level wizard was seriously forcing Save or Dies with a first level spell- chromatic orb. And thats the simple shit a wizard could do.

[Psychic Robot]

Get ready, folks: here comes the good stuff.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread ... ost4381386

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.ph ... st16349839

I'm making popcorn as we speak.

[PhoneLobster]

Well apparently just being on the gaming den warrants banning from enworld now.

I blame Frank.

Well.

You know what I mean.

... and it's a pretty damning indictment of enworld bias and stupidity that this is the case.

[Psychic Robot]

Well, fuck me three ways to the weekend. Permabanned for that? Shucks.

I mean, really, it wouldn't be flamebait if they weren't such a bunch of jackoffs. I guess that posting an interview that has some negative aspects (read: unbiased statements) in it is trying to start a flamewar.

I guarantee people have been watching this forum since I joined, waiting to tattle to the mods so that they could ban me.

Really, though, the worst part is that the ENWorld mods are Nazis in comparison to the WotC mods. But what really makes my day is in the WotC thread:

It's pretty funny. You cross-posted this across every board you could find, got banned at least from one for trolling, and yet to failed to realize that this info is week(s) old, and not seen by anyone but you as "we couldn't figure out how to make it work".

How is it going so far?

[Angry_Pessimist]

Well, fuck me three ways to the weekend. Permabanned for that? Shucks.

I mean, really, it wouldn't be flamebait if they weren't such a bunch of jackoffs. I guess that posting an interview that has some negative aspects (read: unbiased statements) in it is trying to start a flamewar.

I guarantee people have been watching this forum since I joined, waiting to tattle to the mods so that they could ban me.

Really, though, the worst part is that the ENWorld mods are Nazis in comparison to the WotC mods. But what really makes my day is in the WotC thread:

It's pretty funny. You cross-posted this across every board you could find, got banned at least from one for trolling, and yet to failed to realize that this info is week(s) old, and not seen by anyone but you as "we couldn't figure out how to make it work".

How is it going so far?

Edited, first question didn't make sense: Do you have anything better to do than post on Internet Message Boards full of people that hate your guts?

[SphereOfFeetMan]

Well, fuck me three ways to the weekend. Permabanned for that? Shucks.

Plane Sailing is such a douchebag.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread ... ost4381386

So, you think it is a good idea to post trolling threads on ENworld in order to cause arguments for your own amusement?

(http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=48649&start=540)

You're gone.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread ... 363&page=4

Okay, folks, listen up!

I don't want to see any of you, ever again, bring things from other message boards here to support an argument against one of our users. For one thing, doing so constitutes an ad hominem argument - you are addressing the character of the poster, rather than the content of the posts. We generally discourage that.

For another, as a matter of policy, we judge people by what they do and say while they are here.

If you find evidence that someone is using another board to organize people to make trouble here, you should make the mods aware of it. But otherwise, what happens on other boards stays on other boards.

If you feel someone is a troll, report their posts. Don't feed the troll. Don't accuse the troll. Trolls feed on attention, and the more time you spend trying to stir up trouble against a troll, the more enjoyment they get. The most effective thing you can do to discourage trolling is to not rise to the occasion - ignore them. Trolls die if they get lonely.

I hope I've made that clear. If you don't understand, please take it up with one of the mods in e-mail. Our addresses are in a post stickied on the top of the Meta Forum.

So. Plane Sailing is acting against Enworld policy in order to ban someone for posting unflattering factual statements about WotC. This is not the first time he has done this. He is also acting against Enworld policy in order to make an ad hominem argument. Nice.

Seeing as how Enworld is now paid directly by WotC, and given the above statements, they can only be viewed as a biased corporate shill.

[CatharzGodfoot]

I though you all hated ENworld? Why the tears?

[Neeeek]

If you find evidence that someone is using another board to organize people to make trouble here, you should make the mods aware of it. But otherwise, what happens on other boards stays on other boards.

I wonder if that's what they think is going on here.

If they are reading this: It's not. Most of us don't bother having an account there. We just think your stupidity is hilarious.

[Angry_Pessimist]

I though you all hated ENworld? Why the tears?

I can safely say that most people here are not crying, but laughing.

[SphereOfFeetMan]

I though you all hated ENworld? Why the tears?

No tears. Just pointing out hypocrisy and blatant favoritism.

If you find evidence that someone is using another board to organize people to make trouble here, you should make the mods aware of it. But otherwise, what happens on other boards stays on other boards.

I wonder if that's what they think is going on here.

Apparently, one person linking to Enworld constitutes "evidence that someone is using another board to organize people to make trouble here" when the poster posts unflattering facts about WotC. At least by PS's standards.

If they are reading this: It's not. Most of us don't bother having an account there. We just think your stupidity is hilarious.

+1.

[CatharzGodfoot]

Wow, hypocrisy and favoratism on an internet messageboard! Stop the presses!

It's nice and all that we have this board where we can all speak our minds, but seriously, it's time to stop patting each other's backs. Stand up, swallow, and wipe off your mouth. Go sit in your shower and cry for a bit if you have to.
Ranting about how stupid every non-Denizen is gets old after the 5th page, even if you are 'laughing'.


If I'm the only one that feels this way, sorry. I'll go BAAAAAW by myself and try to ignore the little puddes of cum all over The Gaming Den floor.

[SphereOfFeetMan]

Wow, hypocrisy and favoratism on an internet messageboard! Stop the presses!

What is your point? Are you trying to imply that noting the hypocrisy and favoritism of Enworld in a thread entitled "Still more Threads that make us Laugh, Cry, or Both" is taking things too seriously? Are you channeling Jerry?

Also, it is relevant for people who play Dnd. This interaction is a good example of a systemic problem on Enworld, favoring 4e and silencing its critics. Posters have either been banned or have self selected out of Enworld because of its 4e bias. This in turn has contributed to illogical fans that cannot be swayed by objective evidence concerning 4e. This in turn influences the Dnd fan-base, and induces it to internalize WotC's statements based solely on faith. All this means people like Koumei, myself, and others are less likely to find players that either want to stay with 3.x, or can think logically about Dnd role-playing games. So yes, I think it warranted being pointed out.

It's nice and all that we have this board where we can all speak our minds, but seriously, it's time to stop patting each other's backs. Stand up, swallow, and wipe off your mouth. Go sit in your shower and cry for a bit if you have to.
Ranting about how stupid every non-Denizen is gets old after the 5th page, even if you are 'laughing'.


If I'm the only one that feels this way, sorry. I'll go BAAAAAW by myself and try to ignore the little puddes of cum all over The Gaming Den floor.

That is entirely a reasonable interpretation of the situation. My calling out an Enworld mod, and having complemented particular Enworld posters in the past, is completely congruous with your observation. The sex/rape imagery is also tasteful and appropriate.

Finally, you are the only one that feels this way, and your apology is accepted. "Ranting about how stupid every non-Denizen is gets old after the 5th page.." while reading and posting up to the 37th page might just be you.

[The 13 Wise Buttlords]

If I'm the only one that feels this way, sorry. I'll go BAAAAAW by myself and try to ignore the little puddes of cum all over The Gaming Den floor.

I'm one of the most hate-filled people on this board (as me about 4chan sometime) but I have to agree.

Aren't you guys embarrassed after a certain level of self-congratulation?

[Angry_Pessimist]

Ranting about how stupid every non-Denizen is gets old after the 5th page, even if you are 'laughing'.

Seconded. There are plenty of message boards that are full of smart people that know what they're doing, and I think that it would be refreshing to focus on something other than ENworld for a change. And this is coming from a self-proclaimed pessimist.

As to SphereofFeetMan's previous, not all D&D players go to ENworld.

In my village, any gaming Nerd knows what TSR or WotC are, but are clueless to what ENworld is. The ones that know see it as a D&D fan site, treat it accordingly.

I'm one of the most hate-filled people on this board (as me about 4chan sometime) but I have to agree.

It's perfectly reasonable to hate 4chan; people who send anonymous death threats to people's phone numbers have nobody to blame but themselves if they get thrown in a pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

[PhoneLobster]

Aren't you guys embarrassed after a certain level of self-congratulation?

I'm not congratulating anyone.

Psychic Robot has had this coming for ages, he doesn't deserve it but he didn't exactly do things right. Biggest mistake? Saying he was a self identified former troll, but honest didn't WANT to be trolling now, but knew people would act like it. That's dumb on so many levels.

And he has been posting a few too few of his own threads on here lately. So I'm not congratulating him. But still. Enworld is clearly ludicrous if they can just point over here and ban people as a result.

Also. Catharz can't be channelling Jerry. Because I strongly suspect Angry Pessimist IS Jerry (/Captain Bleach)...

[Kaelik]

Enworld is clearly ludicrous if they can just point over here and ban people as a result.

Not only that, but the cute part is that the mods did it just after another mod declared that they only use things on that forum to judge posters.

[PhoneLobster]

Also cute is that they're "no it isn't inhibiting discussion" so called "edition wars" ban is claiming directly that discussion of information pertaining to editions isn't to be stiffled, just mindless "your edition is dumb" is banned.

Now PR may have put some work into discrediting himself in a past life or something similarly vague and apparently not to be considered according to policy.

But he did nothing in that thread but point to some information and highlight and interpret a portion of it. But that was declared entirely fatal flame bait on the basis that it maybe was indirect implied 4e criticism, he posts here, and he likes popcorn.

See now if he had posted "4e sucks, discus." and sat back with the popcorn that would fall under their admittedly already juvenile edition wars ban. But technically, and rightly, by saying "Here is some information about 4e, discus" and sitting back to have some popcorn he did absolutely nothing wrong.

They can falsely claim that it was provocative trolling in some weird ass way, but their express policy is that in presenting a polite and viable discussion point based on actual information he did no wrong.

[Angry_Pessimist]

Also. Catharz can't be channelling Jerry. Because I strongly suspect Angry Pessimist IS Jerry (/Captain Bleach)...

Why?

[Count Arioch the 28th]

Bah, I got banned from Enworld before getting banned from Enworld was cool.

[PhoneLobster]

Why?

I have my reasons.

It's only a small suspicion right now but I just want to be the first one to have called it if it is later confirmed.

[Psychic Robot]

Do you have anything better to do than post on Internet Message Boards full of people that hate your guts?

Truly, I have nothing better to do than post on messageboards full of people that hate my guts, aside from posting on messageboards laughing at the people who hate my guts.

Actually, when you think about it, even if I didn't have anything better to do--and I have any number of uses for my free time that don't involve computers that do involve people that don't hate my guts--the people who hate my omguts really would be more pathetic. Oh noes, the Internet is srs bsns!

[Surgo]

If I'm the only one that feels this way, sorry.

You're not.

[Angry_Pessimist]

Oh noes, the Internet is srs bsns!

What?

Oh, and to each his own. Your tactics just struck me as odd when there are plenty of good Internet Message Boards to hang out at.

[Psychic Robot]

I'll keep your opinion in mind while I contemplate how I shall spend my free time.

[Angry_Pessimist]

To be fair, I think there should be a mechanic where chainmail bikinis magically have the protection of full plate.

Dungeons and Dragons should not serve as an outlet for your erotic fantasies. Awkward stares at the gaming table aren't worth it.

I'll keep your opinion in mind while I contemplate how I shall spend my free time.

Actually, do what you want. If participating on biased-as-hell message boards where everyone picks on you is your idea of fun, then go with it. At least you just shrug your shoulders and laugh it off instead of going "ZOMG someone's being mean on the Internet!" We need more people like you.