Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 5:49 am
You ever hear the quote, "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."? Equal application is a kind of fairness, it is not a going to give fair outcomes. You seem to be unable to grasp this point: fairness depends on how you define fair.Kaelik wrote:I'm just going to leave these two sentences because the first one is explaining how your point was that it isn't supposed to be fair, and your second one is you then declaring that it totally is fair again.Akula wrote:That wooshing sound everyone just heard was the subtext flying over Kaelik's head. Yes Kaelik, the ability is never fair in practice, that is kinda the point, but the debuff is the same for both participants so the fight is "fair".
And those contradict each other. If you are going to defend it as not supposed to be fair, don't immediately turn around and defend it as actually fair.
A duel is a fight between two people, so the ability that sometimes results in a duel but is often used to do something completely different is a worse duel than the ability that is always a fight between two people? After all it isn't like poppy's target gets any protection from poppy's team, so it is never a duel under your own definition if poppy's team joins in. Having a fight between dueled people is more important than excluding some non-zero number of people.Here let me summarize. A duel is between two people. So an ability that excludes any number of people from a fight, even one, it actually infinitly more duel like than an ability that excludes no one. And by the way, that isn't the only way to use Poppy's ult, so a non zero number of times Poppies ult will be used to exclude someone from a fight, as opposed to NEVER EVER DUEL COMMANDER who will never ever use the ability to exclude someone from a fight.
We agree that there is never a situation where you would use duel that would not be a better situation to use duel+ in. But duel+ is a better skill so that is like saying that better skills are better. Also LC normally itemizes so she can duel at the start of fights, meaning that ill advised duels happen more often than you think.No, this is the you not being able to read thing popping up again. I said less likely than a taunt that didn't risk giving AD to the other team. Because there exist a non zero number of situations you would not use this ult in a teamfight, and there exist zero situations that you would use this ability but wouldn't use a taunt that didn't give AD to the enemy. Less Likely is not Unlikely.
When he says game x is better than game y, the burden of proof is on him, when you say game y is better than game x the burden of proof is on you. And you straight up say that league is better than dota in the sections that I quoted.You are right. There is no possible way that the implication of what I said could be that I found his arguments unconvincing.Akula wrote:That isn't what you are doing, this:Kaelik wrote:Since I'm not the one claiming people should switch game specifically because the champion design is so much better maybe the burden of proof isn't on me and if people bring up shitty champion design to try to convince me to switch to their game that is their fault?Is a positive statement that requires proof, and when you say this:Kaelik before wrote:So Dota has shitty champ design.The implications is not that you are saying, "I find your arguments that Dota has better design unconvincing" but instead that you are saying, "Dota has bad design, and League of Legends has better design than dota." Both of which require proof.Kaelik same post a little further on wrote:Notice how that is way the fuck more tightly designed than "Uses Ult to get AD bonuses that break the RNG."
Then you asserted that Legion Commander was badly designed, you have to prove this. And then talked about how Dota, not LC, but Dota itself was badly designed. You also have to prove that.I mean, first he said:And then when I asked what he meant he specifically brought up Legion Commander as his argument for better champion design, and then specifically went over Legion Commander's abilities, and then I specifically responded by quoting his arguments about how Legion commander was a better designed champion, and then I proceeded to make comments specifically addressing his specific arguments for how Legion Commander was a champion that demonstrated better design.kaelik, you said you look at champion design, but you don't play Dota?
The design is way better.
My dick is huge, but not big enough for your mouth. Experience with Dota is a condition precedent to discussing Dota.Yes yes, you have a big dick. Your dick is huge. We get it.Akula wrote:This post is basically just you being super ignorant about dota and projecting your ignorance onto others. Unlike your 0 games played of Dota, I have played hundreds of hours of LoL.
Ammumu has a gap closing CC called bandage toss, a spamable nuke called tantrum, and a AoE CC ult. He isn't on your list because? And what does Twisted Fate's ult do if not close the gap? You deleted a bunch of heroes that fit my criteria for no reason. Though I do concede that I made a mistake about Fiora, Katarina, and Nidalee having CC. I was wrong to have them on my list.Udyr, Darius, Shaco, Pantheon, Renekton, Fizz, Jax, Maokai, Riven, Cait, Elise, Graves, Hecarim, Jayce, Kassadin, Kennen, Kha'zix, LeBlanc, Lissandra, Poppy, Sejuani, Skarner, Talon, Vayne, Ziggs, Aatrox, Zed, Vi, Yasou, Zac, Thresh, Braum.Your actual statement wrote:spamable nuke or buff + gapcloser + CC
So like actually 31 champs. And that was leaving in a lot of bullshit and being super generous to you, like counting half second 15% slows, silences, blinds, and brief two unit displacemets as real CC, and counting champs that have multiple things on a single ability, even though you implied that the three things was a comprehensive list of their abilities, instead of just three things a champ has in addition to 3-4 other things they can also do. And god, I felt sick inside when I counted Thresh's fucking Flay as a "spammable nuke" and included him because that is literally the dumbest thing that could ever possibly be said ever, but I let it slide because I am so fucking generous.
And you still just straight up lied about a bunch of shit like Fiora's and Katarina's and Nidalee's CC and Twisted Fates gap closer.