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I would also love it if they brought back Adventure mode, and never again tried anything remotely like Smash Tour. Seriously, fuck that shit.

Yeah, I don't get what the hate was for Subspace Emissary. It was hands down the best thing that has ever come from the franchise.

Wiseman wrote: Yeah, I don't get what the hate was for Subspace Emissary. It was hands down the best thing that has ever come from the franchise.

Subspace was 90% filler garbage, just drag-out fights with hordes of nameless and faceless enemies that weren't any fun. Bosses were kind of neat and so the boss fighting mode was surprisingly fun, but Subspace as a whole was shitty.

Melee's adventure mode was...well it was pretty bad, but it was fast because it was just weird shit punctuated with regular Smash Brothers fights. The weird shit wasn't always fun, but at least it was short enough to stay interesting. The regular Smash Brothers fights were as fun as playing against the computer is (not very fun).

Both adventure modes sucked, but hey they're fighting games. The story mode is never going to be any good in fighting games, they aren't designed to make fighting hordes of mooks fun. If you want a better experience than Subspace I recommend virtually any sidescrolling beat 'em up game ever, but mostly TMNT: Turtles In Time.

If I had to guess why Subspace gets so much hate it's because it's rancid garbage that buried the few good moments with so much fucking filler. The problem wasn't even Brawl's shitty mechanics, those don't matter in a beat 'em up, it was that it was fucking boring and didn't have nearly enough ninjas riding dinosaurs.

Wiseman wrote:

I would also love it if they brought back Adventure mode, and never again tried anything remotely like Smash Tour. Seriously, fuck that shit.

Yeah, I don't get what the hate was for Subspace Emissary. It was hands down the best thing that has ever come from the franchise.

Although I did enjoy the mook beatdown and fanservice, all the platform/puzzle bits from Subspace Emissary were quite a turnoff for me, and seems for a lot of other people too.

So that's why I would prefer something more like melee's Adventure mode, with simpler platforming and little/no puzzles.

Some rumor that a Belmont will be in the game.

Alucard and Richter would be super rad.

OgreBattle wrote:You have a favorite Dragon Quest, Shrapnel?

III, VI IV (I meant IV, but those Roman numerals always mess me up...), VIII, and IX, with IX being my all-time favorite.

As for why they got rid of Adventure mode, it's because Sakurai had a baby hissy fit over the fact that people had uploaded videos of the cut scenes before the game's release:

"Unfortunately, the movie scenes we worked hard to create were uploaded onto the internet." Sakurai lamented. "You can only truly wow a player the first time he sees [a cutscene]. I felt if players saw the cutscenes outside of the game, they would no longer serve as rewards for playing the game, so I've decided against having them."

Because clearly the whole reason to play any video game is solely to see fucking cut-scenes, and not, y'know, to play the goddamn game.

Basically: Sakurai is a whiny, petulant baby bitch.

Sounds like he went to the Hideo Kojima school of game design.

"You can only truly wow a player the first time he sees [a cutscene]. I felt if players saw the cutscenes outside of the game, they would no longer serve as rewards for playing the game, so I've decided against having them."

I'm pretty sure that's being a whiny, petulant baby bitch to justify not having cut scenes, not being whiny, petulant baby bitch to justify not having a game mode. He's complaining that people will watch cut scenes online and thus not be wowed by it in the middle of the game, which makes him not want to make cut scenes. "Them" is referring to cut scenes here, not game modes.

No, that's literally the reason he got rid of the adventure mode. He didn't like that the cut scenes were being leaked, and so he used that to justify the fact that he would get rid of the more altogether in future installments. That is the mindset of a toddler.

Assuming hes being honest. He might be saying that because it sounds less shitty than "I don't want to do adventure mode for Smash anymore even though people liked it." Heard enough doublespeak from designers to not take them at their word anymore, especially when justifying unpopular decisions.

New game is Super Smash Brothers Ultimate! Characters will be:

EVERYBODY!
FROM!
EVERY!
SSB GAME!

Yes, that includes Sonic!! Three Links (classic, young and toon) SNAAAKKKEEE!!!! Rockman!!!!! Ice Siblings Couple Climbers! And dlc characters so Cloud/Ryu/Bayonetta!!!!!!

The inklings as newcomer of course.

Daisy joining in too.

And "drumrolls"


MOTHER

FUCKING

RIDLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(too big to fit in your screen)

Other highlights:
-Clone characters aknowledged, get the Echo tag.
-Female pokemon trainer as alternate pokemon trainer yay!
-Link using his BoTW looks but Zelda is the cute version from Link Between Worlds!

-Fake smash balls that blow up your face!
-Minor gameplay changes that casuals won't notice but will make the tryhards discuss to no end.
-8 player smash back!
-You can beat the crap out of some assist trophies and even counts as killing an opponent for point purposes.
-Different mechanics between 1x1 and anything bigger!
-Every stage now has an omega version that removes all the hazards and is just 3 floating platforms like battlefield.

If we don't get any Dragon Quest characters, I am going to be be very, very sore.

DQ characters would be great, Kirby needs their hats too.

RIP Snake's ass, they flattened it compared to Melee

Don’t you mean from Brawl? Snake wasn’t in Melee (although Kojima wanted him to be).

My thoughts on new Smash

OgreBattle wrote:DQ characters would be great, Kirby needs their hats too.

RIP Snake's ass, they flattened it compared to Melee

Samus got less boobs but more muscle so seems like they're going for more physical fit looks this time.

Nerfnow did a comic about that. But they're desexualizing it across both genders though.

I didn't think I could possibly have an opinion on this and then I saw the pictures and was amazed that Snake's ass is practically concave.

I'm just sad we're not getting Zelda's BotW design. I mean, I have nothing agaisnt her SNES-era duds, but c'mon, Link got to be in his sexiest design, so why not Zelda, too?

Also, Sakurai's justification for not using said design was total bullshit. "More interested in research" my ass.

maglag wrote:

OgreBattle wrote:DQ characters would be great, Kirby needs their hats too.

RIP Snake's ass, they flattened it compared to Melee

Samus got less boobs but more muscle so seems like they're going for more physical fit looks this time.

Snake had the most realistically muscle-fit ass for all the crouch walking he's done tho!

I just want purple hair Link, he's the most stylish one

OgreBattle wrote:I just want purple hair Link, he's the most stylish one

Yes. This.

So, hey, Isabelle is gonna be in Smash. Now if they'd just add Morrigan...

Apparently, a leaker has stated that there is going to be a as-yet unnamed Squenix character in Smash. A lot of internets are excited that it might be Geno, from Super Mario JRPG. Well, I say FUCK GENO. Give me some godfucking Dragon Quest! What has Geno ever done? Appeared in one really old Mario game. Dragon Quest originated the entire fucking JRPG genre! Jesus wept.

I'm super cereally fucking upset about this.

I personally expect neither of those things. Some folk think it'll be sora.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true. </Vader>

Actually makes more sense since Dragon Warrior/Quest has iconic monsters rather than Iconic heroes outside of maybe Erdrick.