The Biden Administration (No Lago)

[Kaelik]

I agree the bill is dead on arrival, but also the president and several senators doing a full court press about how the border is an existential crisis for our country and needs to be addressed by more cruelty 1) sets democratic policy goals in the wrong direction for a long time in ground we will have to claw back by fighting democrats 2) convinces more of the American people both that there is a border problem and that cruelty is the solution to it, and 3) gives the green light to anyone who wants to be cruel on the border, a border agent, a psycho militia guy, or president Greg Abbott when he's doing murders on the border right now that biden supports.

[Thaluikhain]

Edit: Briefly, worth saying, this is and always has been a losing strategy. Every time the Dems have given the GOP everything they wanted they have always simply moved the goal posts and asked for more, and their voters didn't give dems any credit because there was never a real problem to begin with, it was always a fake problem created by their propaganda, so unless the GOP propaganda gives Biden credit, all the cruelty will sway zero votes.

One wonders why the Democrats keep doing this.

(And, more loosely, any number of other groups that try courting people further to the right, with it being obviously a terrible idea).

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Its a great idea. When your real agenda is to move everything to the right.

[MGuy]

The belief they are pushing things rightward suggests a level of competency that I would not attribute to them. I more think the Dem party is made up of bureaucratic ghouls who largely have no values that aren't purely aesthetic. Sure those aesthetic values are important because actual real life people are effected by what they do but it's no big loss to them to compromise on those aesthetics. So if you just think of them as incompetent bureaucrats who don't really know the political game beyond the lines drawn for them by the oligarchs and other out of touch bureaucrats. Any significant disruption to what they are used to is bound to be unpopular within their circles.

[Thaluikhain]

The belief they are pushing things rightward suggests a level of competency that I would not attribute to them. I more think the Dem party is made up of bureaucratic ghouls who largely have no values that aren't purely aesthetic. Sure those aesthetic values are important because actual real life people are effected by what they do but it's no big loss to them to compromise on those aesthetics. So if you just think of them as incompetent bureaucrats who don't really know the political game beyond the lines drawn for them by the oligarchs and other out of touch bureaucrats. Any significant disruption to what they are used to is bound to be unpopular within their circles.

I'd agree with that, but they seemingly want to get elected, spent lots of time and effort and money trying...and then do something that clearly harms that chances, with seemingly no benefit for them. Ok, sure, they could just be really out of touch, but it seems strange.

[Kaelik]

I mean the answer is that some have right wing goals, some are idiots, all of them are pushed by donors, and many are more then one.

Yes, Joe biden has bad political instincts that make him want to compromise on the border because he yearns for the days of yore where he got credit in the 70s for being a compromiser. Yes Joe biden also reacts with visceral terror whenever he sees a nonwhite person and thinks the evil Mexican invasion is happening. Yes Joe biden just loves Israel and can't imagine any problem with genocide.

And yes he's surrounded by advisors some of whom aren't racist but are idiots and think this is good politics because they saw the west wing at a formative age and some are just racists and some are both.

[MGuy]

I do not see how being shitty about the border at all threatens their ability to be elected. Dead is right here assuring you that he will vote blue right up until the boot is placed directly on their throat. Only then would something else be considered. People just not voting just means that they will be ignored. People protest voting another party will just be seen as the left/China/Russia sabotaging them. That's the thought space they are operating in and they've been vocal about it.

Biden is personally a Zionist and thus an outlier. He refuses to do the thing that other presidents before him have done, telling Israel to l draw it back after bombing a thousand children or so.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Saying they are just incompetent and not actively evil is both letting them off the hook and minimising the intent behind their actions even if the intent is not their own.

Controlled opposition is controlled even if the actual members of that opposition do not know it. The control and the intent behind it can be external, even entirely so.

It almost certainly works a lot like mainstream media control and corruption. Everyone says "but they aren't corrupted they aren't receiving direct instructions to manipulate the news". And they aren't they are instead stupid and evil incompetents who were selected and placed because they reliably act in the way that those in control want them to.

But then actually when you turn the rock over about 50% of the "journalists" that scurry out on any given news story are things like transparent IDF agents who were placed there specifically and rather obviously knowingly to perform the corrupt action and if you get hold of internal messages actually there really ARE corrupt higher ups who really do send instructions to corrupt and manipulate the news.

Controlled opposition in the Democrats will be exactly the same. And all hints of evidence holds up. There is a mix of individual intent, but the control and intent behind them is always there.

And no, its not an elders of zion jewish antisemetic conspiracy doing an illuminati behind the scenes. Its the corrupt undemocratic power of oligarchs in an unrestricted capitalist system just doing what comes naturally when you give them infinite wealth and no accountability.

[MGuy]

Saying that they aren't specifically engaging in an evil scheme to specifically to drag politics rightward is not the same as calling them not evil. Most Nazi's were just doing their job. Being apathetic about the evil they are doing does not make them a part of the problem. The system is bad and of course is going to select for the worst people to succeed in it because the incentives lead that way regardless. It is why the system itself needs to be done away with and why just swapping out who is in the seats won't do much of anything over the long term.

[MGuy]

So we all know that Biden is out of touch because why would he pay attention to anything but his own memories from 20 years ago at this point? Turns out though, that he's a big fan of Morning Joe (that show with the Republican guy!) and, similar to Trump's obsession with people he sees on the TV, seems to be heavily influenced by it over other things. Apparently calls the guy, references it in meetings, etc.

Not that this changes anything but just a funny little parallel between these latest Presidents. It does illuminate the actual constituency Biden thinks about appealing to.

[Kaelik]

The nyt reports that the biden admin is contemplating an executive order that orders the cbp to just deport all asylum seekers without a hearing.

You know, the super illegal thing that is 100% illegal under international law that does bind the US and also US law that biden was begging the gop to change US law so he could do international crimes.

But in case anyone was confused and bought the propaganda that this was only a compromise position to get Ukraine (and israel) weapon funding, it turns out, no, Joe biden just really wants to commit crimes!

He loves crimes and doing crimes at the border and he hates asylum seekers and obviously all immigrants of all stripes.

[Stahlseele]

Wonder if they will actually Ban TikTok.
Are not both Trump and Biden on that?

[PseudoStupidity]

Banning TikTok would be fucking stupid, but it has some support among various lawmakers in the US because it lets them scream about COMMUNIST CHINA and PROTECTING THE CHILDREN while not doing anything useful. Biden has said he would ban TikTok if a bill doing so goes through Congress, Trump had attempted a sort of soft ban on TikTok (I think he was trying to force them to change ownership or be banned? Something like that) while he was president but it lost in court. Since then he has warned against banning it.

So...not a particularly popular policy, but Biden would at least sign a ban and Trump has previously tried to ban it but seems to have changed his mind.

[Stahlseele]

Banning TikTok would be fucking stupid

as if that had ever stopped anybody in . . like . . ever . .

[Kaelik]

Ah, I did a bit of looking, and I discovered why the constant several years now china scare about Tik Tok has finally resulted in a bill being passed.

It's because zionists noticed that Tik Tok wasn't censoring all palestinians the same way the NYT and CNN ect do, so they told all the congress people that actually democratic voters LOVE genocide and would chant "four more years of genocide" at every Biden rally and stop protesting him if only the evil tiktok wasn't tricking them into opposing genocide.



https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-med ... rcna122849

It's the same reason all bipartisan bills pass, because both democratic and republican legislators love genocide and want to maximize the amount of genocide in the world and will not tolerate the public being anti genocide.

[Thaluikhain]

It's because zionists noticed that Tik Tok wasn't censoring all palestinians the same way the NYT and CNN ect do, so they told all the congress people that actually democratic voters LOVE genocide and would chant "four more years of genocide" at every Biden rally and stop protesting him if only the evil tiktok wasn't tricking them into opposing genocide.

They might not be totally wrong there.

[Kaelik]

Israel has started bombing food distribtuion centers during a famine to maximize the genocide they can cause on a per bomb basis.

Anyway, I assume by monday Biden will do a press conference where he explains that he saw the secret intelligence that proves there were HAMAS poisoning the food or whatever dumb lie they make up that Biden will announce on TV he has seen the very real evidence of and then be conclusively proven false a month later like the decapitated babies or Hamas shooting the hospital, ect.

It's because zionists noticed that Tik Tok wasn't censoring all palestinians the same way the NYT and CNN ect do, so they told all the congress people that actually democratic voters LOVE genocide and would chant "four more years of genocide" at every Biden rally and stop protesting him if only the evil tiktok wasn't tricking them into opposing genocide.

They might not be totally wrong there.

They really aren't! People who are not democratic electeds actually hate this shit!

[Thaluikhain]

It's because zionists noticed that Tik Tok wasn't censoring all palestinians the same way the NYT and CNN ect do, so they told all the congress people that actually democratic voters LOVE genocide and would chant "four more years of genocide" at every Biden rally and stop protesting him if only the evil tiktok wasn't tricking them into opposing genocide.

They might not be totally wrong there.

They really aren't! People who are not democratic electeds actually hate this shit!

I mean that if they can silence people who aren't towing the pro-Israel line, it might win them votes. Or rather, if they had started doing so from the outset they may not have lost some.

[Kaelik]

Joe Biden so terrified that Trump's plan to talk about his dictator powers and mass murder will cause Trump to lose the election forcing Biden to be president for another term. So Biden is countering by calling for the senate to fast track the TikTok ban so he can piss off as many young voters as possible.

Dueling attempts to lose the presidential election will escalate until the election.

[Kaelik]

Senate Democrats have declared that no muslim shall ever sit on a US federal circuit court as long as they have a say.

(There are like 3 Muslims as federal judges at all, and the first one was in 2021, and he was a piece of shit who worked for ICE on deportating people.)

Democrats literally just not be pieces of shit for one single minority group challenge: impossible difficulty.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

I see the reach out to the Muslim community is going well then.

[Kaelik]

If your democratic senator isn't Bernie Sanders or Michael Bennett, then your democratic senator just voted to give Israel a bunch of bombs to do a genocide, defund the only functional aid relief organization for Palestinians, Defund the UN's inquiry into Israel's genocide, and sanction the UN human rights council if it doesn't issue a vote that Israel is the goodest boi and it's genocide is good and above board and that it's impossible for Israel to do a wrong.

So anyway, Fuck These Fucking Assholes.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Just throwing this one out there.

Even Australia has decided to restore funding to UNRWA.

When you don't have Australia towing the line like a lackey, who have you got?

Oh. And our Federal labor party has now ALSO (tried to) adopt a Trump style Muslim ban. So you know, game show you lose noises anyway.

Because they may be terrified of the massive anti-genocide uprising within the party base. But because we have to copy everything the USA does, their target demographic to actually try to win votes from is the racist white supremacist vote.

[Kaelik]

An aid convoy delivering aid was being escorted by an IDF armed escort.

The armed escort bombed them three times killing several, including a US citizen, to the extent that we pretend that the US cares about US citizens when the Biden admin would obviously blow up NYC if it let them keep doing a genocide. The IDF announced that they intentionally blew up the aid convoy they were escorting on purpose because they thought maybe a Hamas person was in the aid group possibly.

But it's okay, the Biden admin announced yesterday that it supports this premptively, because when asked, the Biden admin made clear that nothing will make them condition aid to Israel. There are no red lines.

Genuinely Netenyahu should just shoot Kamala Harris in the middle of the VP debate and then say "Joe Biden is old and he has no vice president, vote Trump" and even if that wouldn't win Trump the election, when Joe Biden stormed the stage to hand Netenyahu more bullets that would.

[deaddmwalking]

the Biden admin would obviously blow up NYC if it let them keep doing a genocide.

I don't think that's obvious. But since it is obvious to you, I'm sure you'll provide compelling documentary evidence that supports your position.

Anyways, Israel rocked by largest protests since war began as Netanyahu faces growing pressure. That gives me more hope for a major change in policy than anything the US could do. It won't make any difference to the 33,000 Gazans who have already been killed or the 75,000 wounded, but with so many on both sides committed to the utter destruction of their perceived enemy, that type of change in attitude is a hopeful sign.

The Onion had an overview of the conflict available on YouTube that while satirical (duh) is pretty clear about why the conflict has been so intractable.

I once saw Elie Wiesel speak and he maintained that Israel could and should negotiate with anyone that wasn't committed to the destruction of the Israeli State - but only with those people. Acceptance of your existence is the fundamental requirement for any negotiations to proceed.