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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:If the ungodly wealthy and morally degenerate pedophiles had found out the true identity of their accuser, Yiannopoulos would have been road pizza. Guaranteed. Don't be so completely naive as to believe that would not have happened.
Fuckin' two birds, one stone, man.
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I do antifa activism, so dibs on this paragraph.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:And on what fucking planet is Antifa not a terrorist organization?
To start with, antifa isn't an organization, you imbecile, you fucking moron.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:Their black masks, their intimidation tactics, their doxxing of others, their attempted deplatforming of their enemies, their subversion and manipulation (via Redneck Revolt), their bullying and brainwashing (via BAMN), their libel and slander of their enemies
None of these are terrorist tactics, these are just things that make you feel bad. Which is interesting, because one of the primary and best tools in the antifascist toolbox is making people feel bad about being nazis. Which isn't to say that you are one: even though you're awfully incensed about an activity that only exists to oppose fascism, you could also get to that opinion by being an idiot.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their neo-Marxist cultist radicalization
Cults aren't terrorism, they're a completely unrelated bad thing, like earthquakes, or geese. Just as antifa is not responsible for the San Andreas Fault (that's Saint Andrew's fault) or mean-spirited waterfowl (that's purely their personal responsibility), it also does not behave in cult-like behaviors. There actually are specific signs of a cult, it's not just a word that means "believes things I don't" - cults have recruiting tactics aimed at separating people from their existing support networks and making people dependent on the cult for food and shelter.

Furthermore, you have no idea what Marxism is. You don't even know why you attached "neo" to the front of it, you're just doing it because you've listened to too much of that lobster guy.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their frequently inflicted property damage
Oh no, won't somebody think of the property!
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their terrorism
Oh good, your evidence that antifa is a terrorist organization is their terrorism.

Hey, I'm starting a tautology club, would you like to join? The only requirement is that you're a member of the tautology club.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their training
Training is a terrorist activity now? Shit I'd better warn everyone about... everyone.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their agitating
My washing machine is a terrorist organization
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:and their consistent street violence?
Yeah, I'll admit, shouting silly slogans at proud boys until they come over and try to punch you in the face is street violence.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:Are you completely insane, or just full of shit? I'm betting on both.
Usually when you shitbags start ragging on antifa it's a completely disingenuous attack designed to muddy the waters, so normally I'd go with full of shit.

But the way you're writing with random bolding reminds me of the Timecube guy, so in case you're actually like, having a schizophrenic break or something: Do you have adequate mental health care where you live? It might be a good time for a checkup. Therapy doesn't hurt anything and sometimes can uncover things you'll be glad you've got dealt with.
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:However, did you follow the link that Trollman left in his post? He indirectly linked to an article about the El Paso Shooting. That is relevant, because it looks like he's at least indirectly blaming Alexander Macris for the shooting in Texas.
I'll admit it's a stretch, if you had limited your argument to that mayhaps you could have not so thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Sadly you fell for the good doctors trap card and got so riled up by his rethoric that let your real opinions slither out your various disgusting metaphorical orifices.

It doesn't really matter though because the core of Franks argument is untouched. Macris opted in to being the C.E.O if a company whose sole purpose was keeping Milo in circulation when any individual of good faith knew full well what he was about (fascism). Therefor people of good conscience ought not to support Macris's business as we can not trust him not to use his profits to support fascism. (Also potentially problematic content in his games probably shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, we know what Macris is about now and it isn't good)

Fortunately you can't read the room and made it clear where you stand, which saves us a lot of time and irritation. Take'em away Mr. Fence Builder.
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The Adventurer's Almanac wrote:
Sacrificial Lamb wrote: If you know anything about Milo being pro-pedophilia, I'd love to hear it.....because that behavior is morally indefensible.
At risk of completely derailing the thread, here you go.
Let me start by saying that I don't like captions that try to tell me what to think. And there was a lot of that crap in the video. That said, I followed the link, and it looks like Yiannopoulos is saying that stuff to protect himself. If he believes what he's saying, then he's lying to himself....because 14-year-olds are fucking retards.

I don't think that Milo's life is to be emulated by anyone with any common sense. But I'm not seeing a monster there either. I see a victim in denial, protecting his abuser. I also see someone who is afraid of revealing the identity of pedophiles that he saw at a party, because he probably fears a painfully violent response. He's putting up a front. That's what I think.

In other words, I see neither a hero nor a villain.....but because he artfully trolls feminists and Muslims, he makes enemies. Whatever.

Not that any of this has anything whatsoever to do with "racist terrorism", mass murder, or any "terrorist networks" at all. Frank Trollman wants everyone to believe that Alexander Macris is somehow funding and organizing some terrorist network. Frank won't name the network, but we have to believe anyway....and if we don't believe it, we're "fascists".

Remember that Frank posted a link to an article attacking 8chan, and this article not-so-subtly implied that 8chan was responsible for the El Paso shooting. Meanwhile, the (presumably real) El Paso Shooter posted on Instagram, not on 8chan. After all this, the conclusion that I come to....is that Frank Trollman wants us to think of "racist terrorism" and mass murder every single time we think of Macris or ACKS.

Again....how is that not inherently libelous? :nonono:
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Lord Mistborn wrote:
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:However, did you follow the link that Trollman left in his post? He indirectly linked to an article about the El Paso Shooting. That is relevant, because it looks like he's at least indirectly blaming Alexander Macris for the shooting in Texas.
I'll admit it's a stretch, if you had limited your argument to that mayhaps you could have not so thoroughly embarrassed yourself if you had stuck to that. Sadly you fell for the good doctors trap card and got so riled up by his rethoric that let your real opinions slither out your various disgusting metaphorical orifices.

It doesn't really matter though because the core of Franks argument is untouched. Macris opted in to being the C.E.O if a company whose sole purpose was keeping Milo in circulation when any individual of good faith knew full well what he was about (fascism). Therefor people of good conscience ought not to support Macris's business as we can not trust him not to use his profits to support fascism. (Also potentially problematic content in his games probably shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, we know what Macris is about now and it isn't good)

Fortunately can't read the room and made it clear where you stand, which saves us a lot of time and irritation. Take'em away Mr. Fence Builder
You really should be embarrassed. I am embarrassed for you.

But let's have some more clarity. Are you saying that Milo Yiannopoulos is a "racist terrorist" and mass murderer? If Yiannopoulos creates a company, is it now automatically a "terrorist network"? What does that mean? Why is Frank speaking in vagaries? Why are you? If you work with Milo, are you essentially a mass murderer responsible for hundreds of deaths? If you work with Milo, are you part of a "terrorist network", what does that mean?

I ask, because Frank implied that Macris is responsible for the El Paso event.

Frank doubled down, and then he tripled down. Now, you're doubling down too. Are you people for real? I mean, you didn't address anything I said. Not a thing.

I want to stress that you completely ignored my point about the El Paso Shooter posting on Instagram, and not 8chan. Does Macris (publisher of ACKS) have some power over 8chan that I am unaware of? I feel like you guys are speaking in riddles, and being very casual about engaging in defamation of character.....with no real explanation whatsoever.

I still don't know what "terrorist network" Macris allegedly funds and controls. Frank won't tell us, and neither have you. You see the problem?
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:By the way, what the fuck is a "white supremacist hate group" supposed to be?
That's a bingo
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jt wrote:I do antifa activism, so dibs on this paragraph.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:And on what fucking planet is Antifa not a terrorist organization?
To start with, antifa isn't an organization, you imbecile, you fucking moron.
Antifa is a well-funded organization with multiple cells, in Europe and North America.
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:Their black masks, their intimidation tactics, their doxxing of others, their attempted deplatforming of their enemies, their subversion and manipulation (via Redneck Revolt), their bullying and brainwashing (via BAMN), their libel and slander of their enemies
None of these are terrorist tactics, these are just things that make you feel bad. Which is interesting, because one of the primary and best tools in the antifascist toolbox is making people feel bad about being nazis. Which isn't to say that you are one: even though you're awfully incensed about an activity that only exists to oppose fascism, you could also get to that opinion by being an idiot.
What do you mean by "Nazi"? I am ethnically Jewish, and have Jewish family members. I went to synagogue as a child, I had a Bar Mitzvah, and I have a Hebrew name. I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you mean, when you use terms like "fascist" and "Nazi". My Jewish father was a soldier in World War 2, in the "Battle of the Bulge". He recently died, and it hurt....very badly.

When I look around, I don't see any German National Socialists around, but I sure do see a shitload of people advocating for Communism, which was the most evilly destructive force of the 20th century. I look around, and I see a lot more brainwashed neo-Marxist cultists than I did a mere 15 years ago.
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their neo-Marxist cultist radicalization
Cults aren't terrorism, they're a completely unrelated bad thing, like earthquakes, or geese. Just as antifa is not responsible for the San Andreas Fault (that's Saint Andrew's fault) or mean-spirited waterfowl (that's purely their personal responsibility), it also does not behave in cult-like behaviors. There actually are specific signs of a cult, it's not just a word that means "believes things I don't" - cults have recruiting tactics aimed at separating people from their existing support networks and making people dependent on the cult for food and shelter.

Furthermore, you have no idea what Marxism is. You don't even know why you attached "neo" to the front of it, you're just doing it because you've listened to too much of that lobster guy.
I didn't say that "cults are terrorism". But it's quite obvious that Antifa engage in cult-like behavior, and regularly engage in terrorism. Regular and organized doxxing, deplatforming, intimidation, and physical assault are all classic signs of terrorism. In fact, Antifa is probably one of the most well-funded terrorist groups in the world.....maybe aside from ISIS.

jt wrote:
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their frequently inflicted property damage
Oh no, won't somebody think of the property!
So you're tacitly admitting that you don't give a flying fuck about the social contract that we all share with each other. Hello, terrorist.
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their terrorism
Oh good, your evidence that antifa is a terrorist organization is their terrorism.

Hey, I'm starting a tautology club, would you like to join? The only requirement is that you're a member of the tautology club.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their training
Training is a terrorist activity now? Shit I'd better warn everyone about... everyone.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:their agitating
My washing machine is a terrorist organization
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:and their consistent street violence?
Yeah, I'll admit, shouting silly slogans at proud boys until they come over and try to punch you in the face is street violence.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:Are you completely insane, or just full of shit? I'm betting on both.
Usually when you shitbags start ragging on antifa it's a completely disingenuous attack designed to muddy the waters, so normally I'd go with full of shit.

But the way you're writing with random bolding reminds me of the Timecube guy, so in case you're actually like, having a schizophrenic break or something: Do you have adequate mental health care where you live? It might be a good time for a checkup. Therapy doesn't hurt anything and sometimes can uncover things you'll be glad you've got dealt with.
It's amazing how you guys got snarky....and quickly lost your shit, when I made one side comment about Antifa. Nobody respects you Antifa clowns; you're the ultimate omegas.

And all this bullshit you're spouting has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Trollman's accusation against Macris. Even Mistborn will not explain what the so-called "terrorist network" is that Frank talks about.

I know that you guys understand the point, and are just playing dumb.

This is about Frank engaging in libel, to sabotage Macris and Autarch....because he's still butthurt about Macris working with Milo Yiannopoulos. Frank advocated that people not buy ACKS, because he accuses Macris of funding and advocating for a "terrorist network" that he will not name. Frank Trollman accused Macris of being personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people.

I know that you get the point. I know that Lord Mistborn gets the point. And Frank Trollman definitely gets the point. And yet you all still double down.

I think I'm done with this thread, and will instead create a thread about the massive flaws of the 5e crafting system.....because there's absolutely no way that you or anyone else here will address Trollman's morally and ethically disgusting behavior.

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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:omegas
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:I think I'm done with this thread
Stop. Don't. Come back.
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Dissing Milo is never a bad life choice.
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Sacrificial Lamb wrote:Antifa is a well-funded organization with multiple cells, in Europe and North America.
No, this is bullshit you made up. Or if it isn't, somebody owes me some money and you should tell me how to collect.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:What do you mean by "Nazi"?
By "nazi" I mean "anyone who advocates for a world view based on racial hierarchy." I know that technically that's just a specific kind of fascism which the nazi party is an even more specific instance of, but the interesting thing is that this is a distinction that only matters to awful people, and getting it wrong consistently pisses off people that I hate.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:I didn't say that "cults are terrorism".
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:And on what fucking planet is Antifa not a terrorist organization? Their black masks, their intimidation tactics, their doxxing of others, their attempted deplatforming of their enemies, their subversion and manipulation (via Redneck Revolt), their bullying and brainwashing (via BAMN), their neo-Marxist cultist radicalization, their libel and slander of their enemies, their frequently inflicted property damage, their terrorism, their training, their agitating, and their consistent street violence? Are you completely insane, or just full of shit? I'm betting on both
Emphasis mine. Also removed your emphasis, because giant frog time cube guy.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:It's amazing how you guys got snarky...
That's because I'm ridiculing you. Your beliefs are ridiculous. And making you nazi fucks feel ridiculous is good because...
jt wrote:one of the primary and best tools in the antifascist toolbox is making people feel bad about being nazis.
Sacrificial Lamb wrote:you're the ultimate omegas.
Guys! I got him to say something even dumber! Do I get a cookie or what?
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Anyway, I'm sure Sacrificial Lamb has made it totally clear in ways I genuinely could not that supporting Macris financially is just not a morally defensible choice. ACKS is a game with some good ideas and some bad ideas and a bunch of ideas that are not as well thought out as their incredibly smug authorial voice would seem to indicate, but it's still just as vile in real life as RAHOWA or MYFAROG. Having more good game design ideas than MYFAROG makes it more justifiable to read, but no more justifiable to financially support.

Now Macris' own "I can't be a Fascist because I write so positively about the Roman Empire" shtick is he kind of thing that is so transparent that it shouldn't need rebutting. There has literally always been a strong segment of fascism that writes positively about the Roman Empire. The word "fascism" literally comes from the fasces, a Roman Imperial symbol of strength and the right to punish. TheRPGSite is such a cesspool of ignorance and hatred that some of those bozos might actually be fooled by such a ridiculous denial, but I have to assume the intended context is for that to be treated as a coded "I'm on your side" dog whistle to fascists.

Similarly, Macris is continuing to circulate Milo's "free speech" lies about Berkley, which means that he's still actively promoting Milo's hate tour almost a year after he claims that he stopped being paid to do so. This isn't some "We all gotta eat, some people flip burgers, some people temporarily anonymize the financial contributions of racist rich people to racist hate groups they want to promote but do not wish to be seen with." He's still doing it when he's supposedly a free agent. This is who he is. This who he has always been.

But by all means, stare into the gaping maw of ignorance and wounded pride that is Sacrificial Lamb's ranting hate posts. This is Macris' movement. These are his people. Macris isn't even embarrassed by Sacrificial Lamb's crazy antics, and doesn't make any attempt to rein him in, this is what they are. This is what they have always been.

I'm not saying everyone has to be a doctor and spend their days treating breast infections in new mothers so that they can nurse their babies. But I am a doctor, and I did spend yesterday treating breast infections in new mothers so that they could nurse their babies. Being a good person and doing good things doesn't give me paladin levels and extra hit dice. It doesn't make me John Wick either. It just means that when it comes to a question of moral character between the guy who heals the sick and feeds babies and the guy who acted as a promoter for a racist hatemonger who advocated for the legalization of child rape, who you gonna call?

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You know, I'd not actually come across the term "chimp out" before. I've learned something from this thread.

(I mean, in addition to the review that this thread used to be about)
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I'd never come across omega male before. That's a new one for me.
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MGuy wrote:I'd never come across omega male before. That's a new one for me.
I only know Omega Man from looking up where Futurama based their underground ghoul people

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Eh, if you're going to go on about Alphas, sooner or later you get to Omegas, I guess. Though, there's a lot of other Greek letters in between, where's the Epsilon males?
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So Sac Lamb says he is gone but a skidmark like that will probably linger for a while.

Let me point out some things that should be obvious but if your brain has been melted by 8chan antisemitism might not be obvious.

1) The american left, and even the far left that might be called Antifa are demanding that the american economy become more MIXED like the Nordic countries. Only the most disingenuous fuckstick would think they are arguing for the return of communism and only the most brain damaged proud boy thinks that they are arguing for the return of soviet style communism. They want state run health care because the market is failing to deliver quality affordable care to most people. Nobody wants Washington telling GE how many refrigerators to make.

2) It's not Antifa that are running around open displaying symbols of hate. The fucking facists are out in the streets with the swastika, SS bolts, and Klan hoods. If you really are Jewish, open your damn ears these bottomfeeders are openly talking about coming for you!

3) Sac Lamb is probably wealth enough he thinks that this shit won't ever affect him. Boy is he wrong. However, let me give you a short history lesson. For basically the last 1000 years new technological advances have had their profitability split 60/40 between owners (managment/owners/nobility) and labor (workers/peasants). However, the technological revolution was basically stolen from labor. The fruits of that technological change accrued at a 90/10 or even 95/5 split to the benefit of owners. Additionally, owners have used the power of processing to cut back on the benefits labor got over the last century. This is unsustainable.
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Thaluikhain wrote:Eh, if you're going to go on about Alphas, sooner or later you get to Omegas, I guess. Though, there's a lot of other Greek letters in between, where's the Epsilon males?
So the whole wolf hierarchy thing is really complicated and actually pretty contentious. Dominance in wolves is not a direct pecking order with the strongest at one end and the weakest at the other end. Wolves in a pack have a dominance structure but also they have social and functional obligations.

A simplistic model of wolf ack social structure that is often used in like grade school book and GeoCities pages is that there is a parallel set of dominance structures for the male wolves and the female wolves, with the Alpha being at the top, the Beta being next in line, a pack size dependent number of 'Subordinate Wolves' below that, and an Omega wolf at the bottom. This is not 'true' in the sense that wolves of different sexes do have dominance relationships with respect to each other and also not true in the sense that wolves other than Alpha, Beta, Subordinate, and Omega are not at precisely the same level, and most importantly of all it isn't true in the sense that wolf dominance hierarchies aren't static and are often context dependent with one wolf being dominant to another in some circumstances and submissive in others.

In any case, you can tell how far someone has crawled up the rectum of stupid right wing memes by how seriously they try to apply this terminology to humans, for whom it is obviously even less 'true' than it is for dogs. A lot of these clueless assholes call people 'Betas' or complain about being 'Betas' or whatever, seemingly not even grasping that in actual Alpha Wolf theory being a Beta Wolf is a quite high position of dominance and respect. So naturally you got people shouting about 'Omegas' because that shows that they've read all the way through to the end of a GeoCities article about wolf packs rather than just the headings of the fist two entries.

Anyone who calls you a 'Beta Male' or 'Omega' or whatever is telling on themselves in multiple ways. Firstly and most obviously that they are applying a children's book understanding of biology to the world around them. And secondly that they think that dominance and access to food and mates are things we should be struggling over despite the fact that we live in an industrial society that distributes food with money and doesn't normally distribute mates at all because we are god damned adults that can talk to people and get married or hook up in bars or hire prostitutes or whatever. If someone calls you an 'Omega' that means firstly that they are an idiot who doesn't understand the context of their own metaphor, and also that they are a terrible person whose idea of what constitutes virtue is like an actual parody of cave man morality.

But there wouldn't be any Epsilon Males. By the time your understanding of canine social structures becomes complex enough that you need more than four groups you also realize that it's more like a multi-nodal network with different colored arrows pointing in different directions representing areas of respect and deference.

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I know pretty much fuck all about therpgsite except for the people who reveal they've wandered in from the place, and as far as I've ever been able to tell they all seem to be subtler forms of Sacrificial Lamb. Is it just openly a fascist cesspit or something?

EDIT: I decided to check therpgpundit's twitter. The answer is yes.
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FrankTrollman wrote:So the whole wolf hierarchy thing is really complicated and actually pretty contentious.
IIRC, the people who came up with the Alpha Wolf thing realised they were wrong and spent years trying to get people to listen. Unfortunately, neither right-wingers nor people who write books with werewolves in them paid any attention.
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It should be noted that while the GeoCities version of wolf pack relationships is easy to understand, it isn't actually true. The Alpha/Beta/Omega thing is what happens to wolves in captivity. It looks like the social hierarchy of a prison because it literally is one.

In the wild, the social structure of a wolf pack is essentially a family unit. You have a breeding pair, their adult daughters and this year's cubs. The male children hang around for a year or two before ultimately fucking off into the woods in search of a suitable (read: not blood related) mate. If they're lucky, they can challenge an elderly male wolf and take his place as the head of a pack. More realistically though, he pairs off with a female wolf, they have kids and found their own new pack. If times are good multiple packs might come together with neighboring packs and hunt together. (Particularly ones with pre-existing blood relationships.) The dominance model sort of works here, but only when it comes to relationships between different packs - a pack with six adult wolves is obviously not going to take any sass from a pack with two adults and yearling cubs.

Insofar as the Alpha/Beta/Omega Male theory applies at all, its really a Father/Teenager/Toddler dynamic, or a Rich Family/Poor Family/Broke Bachelor dynamic.
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How about orca's? They seem smarter than wolves, they're highly social, but I never hear about them having a pack chad or outcast or something:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... -12494696/
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FrankTrollman wrote:Anyway, I'm sure Sacrificial Lamb has made it totally clear in ways I genuinely could not that supporting Macris financially is just not a morally defensible choice.
Wow. Yep.

That was a lot of crazy all at once...
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The above is good advice for all of us...

FrankTrollman wrote: Now Macris' own "I can't be a Fascist because I write so positively about the Roman Empire" shtick is he kind of thing that is so transparent that it shouldn't need rebutting. There has literally always been a strong segment of fascism that writes positively about the Roman Empire. The word "fascism" literally comes from the fasces, a Roman Imperial symbol of strength and the right to punish. TheRPGSite is such a cesspool of ignorance and hatred that some of those bozos might actually be fooled by such a ridiculous denial, but I have to assume the intended context is for that to be treated as a coded "I'm on your side" dog whistle to fascists.
There was a good post explaining to the peanut gallery about the origins of the term and how it is derived from the Roman Empire. Reposted in spoiler block form:
GameDaddy wrote: Good to see you posting here in your own self-defense. Until today I was unaware there was any controversy over Adventurer, Conqueror, Kings. Looks like a version of D&D too me.

As far as I know, the ancient Germans were not about white supremacy. In fact they were simply about not allowing barbarian invaders and slavers to invade Germany and take their women and children and goods away. Arminius was captured as a child in a Roman raid into Germany by the Romans when they crossed the Rhine at Xanten, and he was taken captive to Rome as a young boy. He grew up and became a classically trained cavalry commander, and became Varus' chief scout. When Varus invaded Germany again in 9 a.d. Arminius united the German clan leaders, and they deliberately lured the Roman legions deep into Germany, then ambushed them at Tuetoberger Wald. All of the Roman Eagles fell, Two were captured, and one was deliberately concealed in a bog.

It would be two decades before Roman Legions crossed the Rhine again, and they retaliated, and continued pillaging until about 275 ad
Some recommended additional reading for you;
Teutoberg Forest 9 AD
https://ospreypublishing.com/teutoburg-forest-ad-9-pb

Around 355 ad, in an attempt to escape from the invading Huns that came from the East, the Germans crossed into Roman territory. The Romans attempted to drive them back but in AD 378 the Ostrogoths and Visigoths were able to defeat them at Adrianople in the East. The Romans were now forced to do a deal with the Goths who were given permission to live within the borders of the Roman Empire under their own rulers. In return, the Goths agreed to serve under Roman officers in order to prevent further invasions. The Germans became angry though when the Romans passed a law in AD 370 prohibiting marriage between Romans and themselves. The Germans also felt they were not being treated as equals in the army.

Alaric, a Visigoths leader, took part in several campaigns under the Romans. However, when he did not receive the expected promotion in the Roman Army, he led his people against the empire. Alaric now demanded that the Visigoths should have their own independent state. In AD 410 Alaric's army was strong enough to enter Rome. Roman slaves joined with the Visigoths in sacking the city. With the slaves joining his army, Alaric now had 40,000 men at his disposal. After roaming around the Roman Empire, the Visigoths eventually decided to settle in Aquitania.

The Vandals, under the leadership of Gaiseric, also created serious problems for the Romans. With the support of the Alans, the Vandals entered Africa from Hispania in AD 429. Although, like most invading armies, the Vandals did not do damage to property in Africa, they had mainly come to settle and not to destroy. Roman writers, who were extremely hostile to their Arian form of Christianity, were mainly responsible for the Vandals' undeserved reputation for destroying anything to do with civilization.

The Vandals were good seamen and they were now in a position to control the Mediterranean. After taking Sardinia and Corsica, Gaiseric invaded Italy in AD 455 and spent fourteen days ransacking Rome.

The Romans tried to obtain revenge, but the two vast fleets they sent to Carthage were defeated by the superior Vandal navy. Although there were only about 80,000 Vandals, of which only about 20,000 were fighting men, they ruled the six million people in Roman Africa for the next hundred years.

Arianism didn't come from, or originate in Germany, It came from Rome. Arianism, in Christianity, the Christological (concerning the doctrine of Christ) position that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God. It was proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius and was popular throughout much of the Eastern and Western Roman empires, even after it was denounced as a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325 ad. It remained the dominant theological stance in Germany though, until the formation of the Holy Roman Empire shortly after 800 ad. The Holy Roman Empire was Catholic, and lost favor in Germany in the late 1400's due to the corruption within the church that favored the wealthy over the masses. Martin Luther was excommunicated in 1519 and formed the Protestant Church.

The Thirty Years' War was a war fought primarily in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. One of the most destructive conflicts in human history, it resulted in eight million fatalities not only from military engagements but also from violence, famine, and plague. Casualties were overwhelmingly and disproportionately inhabitants of the Holy Roman Empire, most of the rest being battle deaths from various foreign armies. The deadly clashes ravaged Europe; 20 percent of the total population of Germany died during the conflict and there were losses up to 50 percent in a corridor between Pomerania and the Black Forest.

Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general conflict involving most of the European great powers. These states employed relatively large mercenary armies, and the war became less about religion and more of a continuation of the France–Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence.

The Dutch Republic enjoyed contrasting fortune; it obtained independence from the Holy Roman Empire and also from Spain (which had directly controlled the Dutch lands despite it not being part of the Holy Roman Empire) thus concluding its 80-year revolt against Spain. It subsequently enjoyed a time of great prosperity and development, known as the Dutch Golden Age, during which it became one of the world's foremost economic, colonial, and naval powers. The Thirty Years' War ended with the Treaty of Osnabrück and the Treaties of Münster, part of the wider Peace of Westphalia. The war altered the previous political order of European powers. The rise of Bourbon France, the curtailing of Habsburg ambition, and the ascendancy of Sweden as a great power created a new balance of power on the continent, with France emerging from the war strengthened and increasingly dominant in the latter part of the 17th century.

This balance of power remained relatively unchanged within Germany until after World War I. Then the old order of Protestant and Catholic Aristocrats were replaced by the young socialists of the National Socialist party (The Nazis). It was they that reintroduced Arianism along with white superiority into national German religion and politics, and made these key elements in the reformation and rebirth of Germany after the defeat in WWI, and the economic collapse shortly thereafter in the late 1920's.

Interestingly, the majority of Germans abandoned Arianism and white superiority after the defeat of Germany in 1945, just about as quickly as they had adopted it between 1933-1936, in favor of their previous religions of Protestantism and Catholicism. However it was adopted by Caucasians of many other nationalities around the world, after WWII. England, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Romania, and the United States all have right wing Arian white supremacist political factions well established in each country.

To say that Germany is an Arian white supremacist state is simply ridiculous, although there is a strong right wing white-supremacist political party that is strongly anti-immigration and xenophobic, and this group composes at present approximately 20% of the population of Germany.

Why is everyone all getting worked up about ACKS anyway?
DSMatticus wrote:I know pretty much fuck all about therpgsite except for the people who reveal they've wandered in from the place, and as far as I've ever been able to tell they all seem to be subtler forms of Sacrificial Lamb. Is it just openly a fascist cesspit or something?

EDIT: I decided to check therpgpundit's twitter. The answer is yes.
Pretty much. There is a lot of awful, and folks are so polarized that they'll accept a lot of evil from people they see as 'allies'. Just about everything there they want to turn into a political issue and the disparage any hint of identity politics and demand far-right nationalism. The current complaint of the day is how OrcaCon has prohibited games with adult content and how WotC released an adventure that had a pair of gay Gnome kings.
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To add to the "racist Idiot Bingo card" you could have just from what Sac said "100 million dead" and "Nazis are only 1930s and 40s Germans." which are both common extremely dumb things that these people say.
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This thread made me pirate ACKS so I could give it to all my (read: one) friends who were interested in the game. Friends don't let friends financially support assholes.
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