Moments when a piece of entertainment completely lost you.

Thaluikhain · Post by **Thaluikhain** » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:54 pm

Maj wrote:We get to open fire if you point it at us whether or not the gun has an orange tip on it.

Kevin Boontjer, Retired Police Sergeant wrote:Let's say that the gun did have the orange tip on it. You're running, your vision is bouncing, you can't keep normal vision as you're running, and you're trying to, again, assess a hundred different pieces of information as you're running," Boontjer explained. "And when we train these officers for these lethal force situations, we can't teach them to look at something so microscopic as an orange dot that is bouncing around, that could be facing away from them as the suspect is running away.

Well, that's just...wait, what?

"that could be facing away from them as the suspect is running away"

They don't even bother pretending the officer thought their life was in immediate peril anymore?

erik · Post by **erik** » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:08 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

Basically if they think the fleeing suspect is a danger to others, then murder away. And the bar for thinking someone is a danger is low: "they might have a weapon" or "they might have committed a violent felony". Since the officer can be mistaken, it's just a whoopsiedaisy to murder someone fleeing.

The orange tape is just stupid since it's also not reasonable for a cop to wait and see how things go if someone points a gun at them that happens to have orange tape on the barrel tip.

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Thaluikhain wrote:Well, that's just...wait, what?

"that could be facing away from them as the suspect is running away"

They don't even bother pretending the officer thought their life was in immediate peril anymore?

From Tennessee v Garner "A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force." Emphasis mine. An armed suspect running away from police but toward unarmored citizens puts the public in danger.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 pm

Sir Neil wrote: From Tennessee v Garner "A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...

That's the part that's been a problem. When someone is definitely not armed and definitely not dangerous, that someone keeps getting killed.

Mistakes happen - they are tragic and I'm not in favor of dismantling our police force, but I absolutely think that EVEN ONE unnecessary death warrants a conversation.

How can we help keep officers safe and the civilians they're supposed to protect? There have been a lot of good ideas, but holding people accountable for acting rashly is part of it. There has been a lot of documented collusion among officers to 'protect each other' when things go south. That's a crime, and it needs to be treated as such.

maglag · Post by **maglag** » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:25 am

The Wandering Earth movie is some pretty good shit, in particular the whole "we turned our planet in a giant spaceship" visuals.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:17 pm

maglag wrote:The Wandering Earth movie is some pretty good shit, in particular the whole "we turned our planet in a giant spaceship" visuals.

The visuals looked great. I was more worried about the pacing and whether it would actually be a fun movie to watch. Existential disaster dramas are sometimes a chore to watch.

Iduno · Post by **Iduno** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:53 pm

deaddmwalking wrote: How can we help keep officers safe...

Agreed. The real important question is, how can we protect these violent thugs while they're murdering civilians who are sometimes guilty of something or at least suspected of being guilty of having done something at some point? They're the ones we should protect. It even says it on the sides of their cars "to protect and serve ourselves." *farts loudly*

If you're committing crimes, including manslaughter, you don't get to be a cop. If you're protecting criminal, including pigs, you're also a criminal. They are supposed to be law enforcement, not another (often worse) criminal element.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:20 pm

Iduno wrote:
deaddmwalking wrote: How can we help keep officers safe...
Agreed. The real important question is, how can we protect these violent thugs while they're murdering civilians who are sometimes guilty of something or at least suspected of being guilty of having done something at some point?

Arguments about whether police should ever kill anyone or never kill anyone are never going to solve the problem.

Every time a police officer kills someone, if they say 'I thought my life was in danger', a majority or near-majority of people will believe they were justified. If we can make the 'I thought my life was in danger' appear completely ridiculous, the ONLY JUSTIFICATION that police officers have for the use of deadly force ceases to exist.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:18 pm

deaddmwalking wrote: Every time a police officer kills someone, if they say 'I thought my life was in danger', a majority or near-majority of people will believe they were justified. If we can make the 'I thought my life was in danger' appear completely ridiculous, the ONLY JUSTIFICATION that police officers have for the use of deadly force ceases to exist.

Even when it is completely ridiculous on the face of it the cop wins. Remember unarmed, wounded teenager vs trained adult man, aka Michael Brown and the case of The Cops Will Fucking Shoot You, Always? Remember man talking on cell phone while holding a bb gun vs multiple cops, aka John Crawford III and the case of The Cops Will Fucking Shoot You Even if You Aren't Aware of Them?

Cops will shoot you dead (if you're black) even if you are talking on a cell phone while paying no attention to them at all. They'll shoot you dead if you're a child. They'll shoot you dead if you're an unarmed, already-shot teenager. Every single time they will say they feared for the their life, and they will get away with it. This happens because cops cover for each other and the US sucks so much cop dick its #1 export is cop jizz.

When someone brings up making cops safer the only reasonable question is "how much safer can you get than the subject not even knowing you're there? Those guys got away with murder! I'm not using that as an idiom." So, deaddm, how much safer can cops get than having the person not even know they're there? How could their claim that they were in danger get any more ridiculous when the "suspect" was lazily holding a toy gun while talking on his fucking phone? You couldn't ask for a less threatening, more defenseless target. The poor guy had no idea he was in danger at all, he just got mowed down in a fucking Walmart. There's no amount of safety you can provide to cops like that, they saw the black guy on a phone and killed him. Oops we were scared! No indictment.

Long story short: Cops already look like ridiculous assholes when they say they were scared for their lives. It doesn't matter, there is no amount of safety you can give cops that will make them stop shooting (black) people all the goddamn time.

Omegonthesane · Post by **Omegonthesane** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:49 pm

deaddmwalking wrote:
Iduno wrote:
deaddmwalking wrote: How can we help keep officers safe...
Agreed. The real important question is, how can we protect these violent thugs while they're murdering civilians who are sometimes guilty of something or at least suspected of being guilty of having done something at some point?
Arguments about whether police should ever kill anyone or never kill anyone are never going to solve the problem.

Every time a police officer kills someone, if they say 'I thought my life was in danger', a majority or near-majority of people will believe they were justified. If we can make the 'I thought my life was in danger' appear completely ridiculous, the ONLY JUSTIFICATION that police officers have for the use of deadly force ceases to exist.

Then police officers have no justification for the use of deadly force. None ever. Because there is no middle ground here - even the flimsiest excuse can and will be expanded to cover "assassination of a person who can't see you".

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:15 pm

I don't disagree with anyone here.

But if you don't at least claim that the goal is to make EVERYONE safer, than NOBODY will listen.

Cops prefer being able to get away with murder. If you premise your 'solution' as something that puts cops in more danger, it will never happen. If you premise your solution as reducing the number of unarmed civilians brutally murdered while also making police officers safer, people will at least listen to you.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:14 am

All of this is well and good but it's subservient to the fact that I can't buy a toy gun without an unsightly orange piece of crap on it.

I mean, fucking JAPAN doesn't have this kind of shit! I have to spend outrageously expensive import prices just to avoid dealing with the color orange! GODS.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:59 am

Well, Shrapnel, I guess you're just going to have to single-handedly change America's culture so that guns are as rare here as they are in Japan.

Thaluikhain · Post by **Thaluikhain** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:10 pm

Eh, probably easier to get yourself a real gun.

deaddmwalking wrote:I don't disagree with anyone here.

But if you don't at least claim that the goal is to make EVERYONE safer, than NOBODY will listen.

Cops prefer being able to get away with murder. If you premise your 'solution' as something that puts cops in more danger, it will never happen. If you premise your solution as reducing the number of unarmed civilians brutally murdered while also making police officers safer, people will at least listen to you.

While there is a certain logic to that, I think cops and supporters are very uncompromising on whether or not they should kill unarmed people, and meeting them halfway on that isn't going to work. Which, yeah, is almost exactly the way things should be, excepting one small detail.

Iduno · Post by **Iduno** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:56 pm

deaddmwalking wrote: Every time a police officer kills someone, if they say 'I thought my life was in danger', a majority or near-majority of people will believe they were justified. If we can make the 'I thought my life was in danger' appear completely ridiculous, the ONLY JUSTIFICATION that police officers have for the use of deadly force ceases to exist.

Now explain why that's a bad thing.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:25 pm

Iduno wrote:
deaddmwalking wrote: Every time a police officer kills someone, if they say 'I thought my life was in danger', a majority or near-majority of people will believe they were justified. If we can make the 'I thought my life was in danger' appear completely ridiculous, the ONLY JUSTIFICATION that police officers have for the use of deadly force ceases to exist.
Now explain why that's a bad thing.

I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't want people getting killed by police. There are very few crimes that merit a death sentence, and police killings certainly violate due process. I can imagine there are situations where police officers feel the need to disable a suspect for legitimately good reasons; I don't think that deadly force ought to be the default.

Count Arioch the 28th · Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:31 pm

Doom Annihilation looks stupid and shitty. They're already spinning the "only sexists don't like this movie" narrative to get spite ticket sales.

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:11 pm

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Doom Annihilation looks stupid and shitty. They're already spinning the "only sexists don't like this movie" narrative to get spite ticket sales.

They are really trying to do that? I guess desperation breeds...

Count Arioch the 28th · Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:18 pm

Some more specific gripes:

"DIE DIE DIE!" is a terrible line to put in a movie already, but herochick's delivery sounds like she's falling asleep.

Her gun looks like an oversized toy.

Backgrounds in general seem kind of boring, it looks like they're not putting any effort into it.

My theory? Either they're going to lose the movie rights so they shat out a turd to keep them and it's supposed to be low-effort, or everyone involved has extra chromosomes.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:59 pm

Why have I never heard of this until now?

Anyway, since when has a direct-to-video production ever been good?

Count Arioch the 28th · Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:19 pm

I didn't know it was direct to video, actually.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:45 am

So I saw Mortal Engines. It's gloriously beautiful and the set designers did amazing work.

Everything in the entire film makes no sense and everything happens for no reason. The two women who are secretly half sisters never even meet. People take turns carrying the idiot ball, and every time an area gets destroyed by an implacable golem or whatever I'm like "why is any of this happening?"

I would genuinely have enjoyed the movie considerably more if the entire film had been dubbed into Korean. No explanations at all would have been a massive improvement over the explanations we actually got.

-Username17

Longes · Post by **Longes** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:03 pm

https://youtu.be/adzYW5DZoWs
It's treason, then.

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:12 pm

My first takeaway is that it looks like the entire film is a middle finger to Rian Johnson.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:27 pm

It's definitely a bunch of confusing shit given that Abrams has said he won't retcon Rey's parents.

The whole "generations live within you now" could very well be referring to Rey being literally the only living Jedi, now. But the whole "no one's ever truly gone" or whatever the exact line was, along with the laugh that immediately put me in mind of Emperor Palpatine does run directly counter to TLJ's "kill the past" narrative.

It's a shame that the new trilogy seems to be turning out to be so completely confusing, since other than that, it's been a lot better than the prequel trilogy (and, in my personal opinion, better than the original trilogy, but that's more to do with it jiving with my particular taste in movies).