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darkmaster, you've gotta stop watching video made by crazy alt-right nutjobs.

ed: they advertise a suspended twitter account, and their videos include such gems as "Why I hate the SJW YouTube Community" and "Cut Her By the Pussy". Yeah...
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Oh, sorry, forgot, video evidence of black clad communist, their words, not mine btw, fire bombing cars and smashing windows, not sufficient in this day and age.

Also, I will take note that you are entirely okay with the widespread practice of mutilating women's genitalia in the middle east, which is what that video is condemning. Got it. You dumb [EDITED].

P.S. Twitter is well known for suspending people very... selectively. This is a platform that outright ignores terrorist recruiting accounts and accounts that distribute child pornography, but will ban journalists for saying mean names to a comedian.
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Heavily edited video of riots do not in fact mean what you think they mean. Especially not ones where they don't show the start of the riot. If you showed the right clips of the Kent State massacre you could show "those violent students" or some fucking thing if you wanted to.

But the bottom line is that if you base any part of your worldview on shoddily made propaganda films from actual Neo-Nazi douche bros, you're going to be wrong about a lot of things. Like, pretty much everything. All the time. Don't attempt to educate yourself by believing things Neo-Nazis tell you, because they are lying assholes who are on the wrong side of every conflict modern, historical, and future.

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Jesus fucking Christ, how is that you asshats pass for normal for so long? Is it that I don't pay enough attention, or were you just afraid to open your mouths and spew forth idiocy until 2017 came along and validated being a moron? If it's good enough for the president, after all...
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Dindu nuffin is a racist meme straight out of /pol/. It is quite literally the equivalent of "CHING CHONG BING BONG" (i.e. "this is how those people sound") combined with the political message that the use of deadly force is always justifiable against petty criminals and that police needn't concern themself with peaceful conflict resolution, de-escalation, or often even basic medical care for those they injure - at least when black people are involved, because fuck those guys - and that the people who whine about the use of excessive force and preventable police killings need to shut the fuck up. You should not be comfortable evoking it. It is the creation of shitty people used to further shitty beliefs which make the world shittier. People should not get choked out and left to asphyxiate on the side walk for being petty criminals who are non-violently uncooperative.
darkmaster wrote:You should be worried about getting home. And the government should probably declare martial law.
The death toll is currently zero. The number of injured is somewhere in the hundreds, and those are virtually all police or protesters. You are, objectively speaking, an idiot. This is a math problem, and you have the wrong answer. This is because you get almost all of your news from sensationalist assholes who are more interested in training you on what to fear than teaching you anything about the world. You are making the exact same mistakes - and being exploited in the exact same way - as the stereotypical Fox News loyalist. You are failing as a human being. I am not saying that merely to insult you, though it is an insult, and it's one you very much deserve. I am saying that because you are probably not the sort of braindead cultist who tunes in to Fox News and drinks the koolaid because you like the flavor. You are probably just... me, except not as smart or handsome or funny. Progressive principles, noticed that some of the people who are nominally on your side are wrong about things and also assholes, and that put you in a strange bedfellows scenario.

And unlike me, you failed that strange bedfellows scenario as badly as one could possibly fail it. You ended up in a closed media environment populated by morons, bigots, and propagandists. You did not learn the correct lesson from your experience; that the people you agree with on one thing can still be wrong about literally everything else. You adopted a tribalistic stance defined by an opposition to a thing (SJW's), and now your worldview is a bunch of shittastic filth that's going to need burnt to the ground before you start making sense again. For god's sake - martial law in response to the problems in Hamburg? You didn't say that based on any knowledge whatsoever of what's happening in Hamburg. That was completely emotional. "People I don't like are doing a thing, what is the most extreme response I can justify to myself."
darkmaster wrote:P.S. Twitter is well known for suspending people very... selectively. This is a platform that outright ignores terrorist recruiting accounts and accounts that distribute child pornography, but will ban journalists for saying mean names to a comedian.
Twitter bans hundreds of thousands of accounts associated with terrorism each year. That is an imperfect strategy, because those accounts are anonymous and the people behind them just make new ones. It is also imperfectly implemented, because there is absolutely no way to curate the entirety of Twitter. The system is driven by algorithms and user reports, which... has never done the job satisfactorily for any social media platform ever.

Milo was not banned for tweeting mean names. He was banned for tweeting racist caricatures of Leslie Jones referencing this meme, amongst other things. The line Milo crossed was not being an ass to people. The line Milo crossed wasn't even being a racist asshole. The line Milo crossed was joining his followers in throwing racist bullshit in a black woman's face for the sake of throwing racist bullshit in a black woman's face. That is an incredibly defensible line for Twitter to draw, because it is targeted harassment, and it did go all the way up to Milo.

You are wrong about both sides of this comparison. And it is because you are accepting shitty arguments from shitty people because tribalism has dulled your cynicism. You just fucking saw someone somewhere talk about how unfair it was that Milo was banned for calling someone names while Twitter lets ISIS run wild and you're repeating it here because it never fucking occurred to you to find out how true that was on your own. And while I don't have a lot of faith in you, I do think you are capable of at least that much if you can pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize you're actually fucking up really badly.
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FrankTrollman wrote:Heavily edited video of riots do not in fact mean what you think they mean. Especially not ones where they don't show the start of the riot. If you showed the right clips of the Kent State massacre you could show "those violent students" or some fucking thing if you wanted to.

But the bottom line is that if you base any part of your worldview on shoddily made propaganda films from actual Neo-Nazi douche bros, you're going to be wrong about a lot of things. Like, pretty much everything. All the time. Don't attempt to educate yourself by believing things Neo-Nazis tell you, because they are lying assholes who are on the wrong side of every conflict modern, historical, and future.

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Hey frank, I know you're the sort of idiot who won't react to this until someone you care about is dead. But as someone who has followed the black blocks, who has watched them burn businesses to the ground, instigate running battles through cities by attacking actually peaceful demonstrators, and throw Molotov cocktails at french police. You'll fucking deserve it when it happens.

Also, Kraut is the farthest thing from a neo-Nazi there possibly could be. You're a fucking idiot, and you have shown you will dismiss anything that isn't approved by "the party" up to and including video evidence.

DSM, you're a fucking idiot, everything you say is wrong, demonstrably wrong. In every way you can be wrong. On the one hand, you've bought into several retarded media narratives, other the other you literally have no concept of history. So let me spell it out for you. If you're worried about actual fascists, not the pretend ones in Frank sees in every shadow, but actual, real, far right authoritarian fucks who hate liberal democracy. This is how it starts, this has been the first step in the collapse of every modern western democracy.

First the far left extremists riot, destroy personal property, attack political opponents. Then they start assassinating police, then the bombings start. And suddenly you live in a climate where people don't trust the government to maintain order and keep them safe. This is how Mussolini came to power, it's how Stalin came to power through Lenin, it's how Hitler and his brown shirts toppled one of the most democratic systems ever.

And let's not forget also, this is all nominally because two world leaders are visiting during a summit of world leaders. So let me ask you something? What happens if German nationals were to murder the president in an outpouring of communist sentiment? Because I'm sure war wouldn't really be off the table at that point.

So yes, DSM, you fucking idiot, the answer is crack down now. Because this situation only escalates. The police can drive back the rioters for now. But atifa isn't looking to vent their passions, their looking for an excuse to go farther.

We saw it in Berkeley, when trump was elected, there was rioting on the streets. And I said to everyone I knew then, I'll say it again now, this only get worse. And sure enough, as soon as their was an excuse, it got worse, and we had citizens fighting in the street as the civil authorities looked on, dicks in their hands and thumbs up their asses. And what happened after this escalation backfired, but we saw people gathering on anarchist forums, saying "next time maybe we should bring guns." Is that what you want? is that what it's going to take before you take this seriously? bodies on the streets? citizens killing each other. Are you fucking insane? do you simply have no conscience?

And I'm not going to entertain the rest of your bald faced assertions, because that's all they are, assertions, made without evidence. Dismissed in the same fashion.
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How cool is that ignore button, though?
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Pretty great, enjoy my block list fucker.
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Fuck you Haruhi is clearly the best moe anime, and we will argue about how Haruhi and Nagato are OP and um... that girl with blond hair? is for shitters.

If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.
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DarkMaster wrote:We saw it in Berkeley, when trump was elected, there was rioting on the streets. And I said to everyone I knew then, I'll say it again now, this only get worse. And sure enough, as soon as their was an excuse, it got worse, and we had citizens fighting in the street as the civil authorities looked on, dicks in their hands and thumbs up their asses. And what happened after this escalation backfired, but we saw people gathering on anarchist forums, saying "next time maybe we should bring guns." Is that what you want? is that what it's going to take before you take this seriously? bodies on the streets? citizens killing each other. Are you fucking insane? do you simply have no conscience?
Hahaha holy shit I was wrong about you. It's not like I expected you to 180 and say "wow, I really fucked up on some of those things, I need to rethink the way I evaluate media," because... idiot on the internet. It's never that easy. But I thought you were just some gullible moron being dragged along by dangerous lunatics, and it turns out you're the dangerous lunatic.

First, the counterfactual; the most violent anti-Trump protests in the U.S. were almost certainly the inauguration protests. You predicted dangerous escalation and you were wrong. And you are apparently bragging about how wrong you were because you are too stupid and uninformed to realize you were, in fact, wrong.

Second, the comical; I do not give a shit that someone showed you screencaps of people threatening violence on the internet. That you take anecdotes about internet posts as a barometer for the level of violence at protests is staggeringly idiotic. That is several layers of "how can anyone be this stupid" stacked on top of one another. Protest sizes, frequencies, arrests, injuries, and fatalities are how you actually quantify unrest.

Third, the oblivious; the people responsible for the Kent State Massacre were operating under the assumption that some kind of state of martial law were in effect. In truth, Rhodes had never received nor even requested such a court order, but he left both the National Guard and the University with the impression that he had those authorities. Would you like to guess what the death toll was at the Kent protests before the National Guard opened fire? Your ideas are dangerous. They are dangerous to our lives and even to our democracy, because believe it or not the majority of protesters - even those in Hamburg - are peaceful, and they are there to exercise their right of peaceful protest against policy they disagree with. And government crack downs are fucking lethal; two of the Kent State Massacre's fatalities were just students walking from one building to another in the background. Not violent protesters. Not peaceful protesters. Just students.

At the end of the day, you are a man unapologetically driven by SCARY ANECDOTES!!1!, and that means there isn't really any hope of challenging the way you view the world. You will always be right because you will always be able to hop on your favorite circlejerk and find stories about how radical leftists are conspiring to take over the world with damning proof in the form of screencaps from xXx_SeXySTaLiNiST69_xXx's twitter.
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Local Newspapers Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/abendblatttv/videos
Mostly short and unedited videos, partly sent in by people living in that mess.
And will you just look at those peacefull protesters getting shock trooped by the police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v44a_ovYMTo

As opposed to those black clad terrorists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPX9BGr8MaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4pjh5im70
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darkmaster wrote:Also, Kraut is the farthest thing from a neo-Nazi there possibly could be.
He literally says that it's totally okay to be friends with nazis, and spends all his time calling for genocide. I mean, he might not technically be a nazi, but on a moral blameworthiness scale, I fail to see the meaningful distinction.

Could you do me a favor and change your signature to either caustic mockery of me or no mention of me whatsoever.

It's just a minor thing, but if all your posts are going to be racist garbage from now on, I'd just assume not be associated as someone who's buddy buddy with you.
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For extra credit, somebody try to spot darkmaster on /pol/'s "Times when you revealed your powerlevel and scared the cucks" thread.
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My cynicism is reaching critical levels. That thread name sounds pretty fake but I knew based on his reply to Frank and DSM that he must have people he knows looking at this because in his defense(?) of his stance.
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darkmaster wrote:Hey frank, I know you're the sort of idiot who won't react to this until someone you care about is dead. But as someone who has followed the black blocks, who has watched them burn businesses to the ground, instigate running battles through cities by attacking actually peaceful demonstrators, and throw Molotov cocktails at french police. You'll fucking deserve it when it happens.
First of all, I hope I wouldn't react to something in the way you mean just because someone I cared about is dead. I try not to do that sort of thing, because making decisions based on anecdotes rather than evidence is a logical error. The thing I think is really interesting is that you think your best and most winning argument is a sufficiently emotional anecdote. Like, you literally can't imagine that you would be able to make a compelling argument for your position based on logic and evidence. And I agree with you: you probably can't.

In the real world, the evidence of basic asymmetry between the violent aspirations and activities of the left and right is simply overwhelming. Like, we can have an anecdote battle where you take some blurry picture of a car on fire in France or some fucking thing and then I talk about the assassination of doctors by the AOG or the bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building by the militias or the senseless killing of Indian Americans by racist Trumpist dipshits or fucking whatever. And while it's true that I can win that hypothetical anecdote recital competition because for every property crime you can name by black clad leftists I can name a fucking murder by right wing hardliners, that is also fucking pointless. The plural of anecdote is not data. Anecdote competitions have always been rather pointless and are compeltely worthless in the age of Google.

The bottom line is thirty a day. There are more than thirty hate crimes committed by right wing hardliners in the United States every single day and have been since Trump was declared the winner. If you can provide some kind of actual evidence that leftists are anywhere near that level of threat to fucking anything at all, then you'd have some kind of argument that wasn't just you sitting around and hoping that I'd have my mind changed by a personal tragedy and a lack of perspective. But you don't. That's all you got because your position is factually wrong.

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Where are you getting this information?
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It's behind a paywall, but you can find it in this well-known Communist mouthpiece, the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-mov ... 1490301718

I assume Frank's using FBI statistics, which tend to be in that range per day (well, closer to 15/day historically.)

That said, the best estimate I get is ~200K/y (Over five *hundred* per day). I suppose Violent Hate Crime is not strictly the same as right wing - so maybe Frank has this broken down according to which criminals are associated with right-wing groups?
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf

But you get the point. Antifa inflict less property damage and bodily harm than American college kids do celebrating sports victories, it doesn't even register.
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Numerically. But drunk sports fans aren't usually politically motivated like that.
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Man, Darkmaster went full Nazi before I could even call it out. Asking to crack down on fucking private (or government) property getting destroyed by implementing martial law is a literal Nazi move.

Fuck me, I was not ready for that.

Edit: And this is not including the great victories the European antifa have won, like physically beating a fuckton of literal Nazis in the streets. European Antifa kick ass, they kick actual Nazi ass.
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The media is shitty at reporting hate crime, particularly when it comes to headlines and sound bites. FFS, the dithering fuckwits at USA Today ran a headline that said "Hate Crime Activity Has Decreased Since The Election," a statement that's only true in the sense that hate crime spiked hard when Trump got elected, which gives the stats a sufficiently high peak that you can coast to a lower number and still be well above the hate crime rates we saw in the Obama years.
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Pseudo Stupidity wrote:Man, Darkmaster went full Nazi before I could even call it out. Asking to crack down on fucking private (or government) property getting destroyed by implementing martial law is a literal Nazi move.

Fuck me, I was not ready for that.

Edit: And this is not including the great victories the European antifa have won, like physically beating a fuckton of literal Nazis in the streets. European Antifa kick ass, they kick actual Nazi ass.
Dude WTF?! I wouldn't consider mob rule like you described to be something to be celebrated.
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Wiseman wrote:
Pseudo Stupidity wrote:Man, Darkmaster went full Nazi before I could even call it out. Asking to crack down on fucking private (or government) property getting destroyed by implementing martial law is a literal Nazi move.

Fuck me, I was not ready for that.

Edit: And this is not including the great victories the European antifa have won, like physically beating a fuckton of literal Nazis in the streets. European Antifa kick ass, they kick actual Nazi ass.
Dude WTF?! I wouldn't consider mob rule like you described to be something to be celebrated.
I submit that beating literal Nazis in the streets should be celebrated, always. Please provide a counterpoint where antifa beat up people who didn't deserve to get beat up, otherwise you should probably get laughed at for being a dickless dick.
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It's not that. Beating up people over their views (however repugnant) only strengthens the opposition.
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Wiseman wrote:It's not that. Beating up people over their views (however repugnant) only strengthens the opposition.
That is not true at all. Do you have stats for that? I come from a land where beating black people led to black people grabbing guns and forcing white people to deal with them being equal. Maybe you come from somewhere else, but where I'm from getting weapons and kicking ass gets you rights, whereas not having weapons and getting your ass kicked loses your rights (see: DAPL).
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If you wanted to participate in a conversation, you've lost that right. You are a non-human now. You are over and cancelled. No concern of yours can ever matter to any member of the human race ever again.
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Wiseman wrote:It's not that. Beating up people over their views (however repugnant) only strengthens the opposition.
People say that, but there's no real evidence that's actually true.
DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?
The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.

That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
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Kaelik wrote:
Wiseman wrote:It's not that. Beating up people over their views (however repugnant) only strengthens the opposition.
People say that, but there's no real evidence that's actually true.
Didn't you read your Texan history books? The black laborers (who immigrated via totally legit methods) gained freedom by playing by the rules.

Edit: To make it clear, black people gained freedom via war and armed self defense after the war didn't quite fix things. Literally every gain black people in the US have made has been through violence resistance, and I challenge anyone to prove that is not the case.

Edit 2: I am kind of drunk, please provide citations people who are smarter/more practiced at this than I am.
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sandmann wrote:
Zak S wrote:I'm not a dick, I'm really nice.
Zak S wrote:(...) once you have decided that you will spend any part of your life trolling on the internet, you forfeit all rights as a human.If you should get hit by a car--no-one should help you. If you vote on anything--your vote should be thrown away.

If you wanted to participate in a conversation, you've lost that right. You are a non-human now. You are over and cancelled. No concern of yours can ever matter to any member of the human race ever again.
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