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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:03 pm    Post subject: Magic Drafting Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

So, new set coming out. It's inspired by Ridley Scott films, India, and Gurren Lagann in roughly that order. It's Kaladesh.

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Anyway, it's going to be a rotation, which means that Bant Company goes away (yay!), but there's new toys for G/W Tokens so I don't know if it's a wide open Standard or not. I think that the current era of net decking is so intense that group think will drive the creation of just a few oppressive decks regardless of actual win percentages. I mean, the Eldritch Moon Pro Tour had 4 different archetypes at 9 wins in constructed and none of them were Bant Company, but people still just sort of all came to the conclusion that Bant Company was the only deck worth playing. Seriously, what the actual fuck? So fuck that noise, we're going to talk about the new Draft format.

Obviously, in any limited format you're going to be to some degree limited by what you open. The only way you are getting a Skysovereign Flagship or a Torch of Defiance is if you open a pack and it's sitting in the rare slot taunting you. Also, you draft 45 cards and you play 23 or 24 of them (Kaladesh is a 16-17 land draft format), which means that just over half of the cards you draft are going to be in the final deck - which means there is room for taking some speculative cards and changing your mind about what colors are open later on and you don't have to play all the janky shit you get at the tail end of pack 2. You should draft good cards over bad cards and cards in the colors you end up playing and not cards from cards you are not playing. But the real bottom line is that there is a lot of synergy to be had, and if you draft cards that fit together into an archetype, you'll do a lot better than if you don't.

That is to say that the Minister of Inquiries is a bad card, but he does make two Energy for coming into play, and if you are running a Blue Green Energy Growth deck that can reliably fold that energy into buffs on their creatures then your draft pick of him isn't wasted. On the flip side, Eliminate the Competition is a very good card, but if you draft it into a creature-light B/U Heroics deck you're going to have a bad time.

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Kaladesh Mechanics: Energy



Energy is a new resource in Kaladesh. It works like power in Shadowfist or bits in Netrunner. Energy lasts until it is spent, and is gone forever once that happens. Most cards that give you Energy also give you a way to spend it, and all cards that let you spend Energy also give you a way to earn it. The value of an Energy point is wildly different card to card, so ideally you want to gather Energy from cards that give you Energy with a bad outlet and spend your Energy on cards that give you a good outlet.

Some cards give you big effects for big Energy costs and other cards give you small effects for small Energy costs. Your strategy should be to try to spend all of your energy by the end of the game and to spend your Energy on the biggest most awesome outlets you have, and not to run any Energy outlets that are too costly for you to afford. It's... a delicate balancing act for Draft, and you will often end up with Energy you can't spend or cards that have cool super modes that require Energy you don't have. But try to keep that shit to a minimum.

In general, Black, White, and (especially) Blue produce Energy that they can't or don't want to use, while Red and Green are hungry for Energy above and beyond what they make for themselves.

Kaladesh Mechanics: Vehicles

Vehicles are a new type of Artifact that is in many ways similar to Equipment. Vehicles are not creatures, but they have a Crew number and if you tap a number of creatures whose total Power is equal to or greater than the Crew number, they turn into a creature until end of turn. Note that it's the vehicle that taps the creatures, not the creature - so you can drive cars with your creatures who have summoning sickness.



Think of this like an equipment that costs 5 to play and zero to equip that gives +4/+2, Menace, and Haste. It can close out games, but you may need to top deck a creature in order to ram it into your opponent's face.

Note that because these things aren't creatures on your opponent's turn, they are highly resistant to sorcery speed removal.

Kaladesh Mechanics: Fabricate



Fabricate gives you a choice when a creature comes into play of putting bullshit 1/1 creatures into play or putting +1/+1 tokens on the creature. If you intend to sacrifice or bounce the creature, obviously you want the servos. If you need a bigger creature, you may need the +1/+1.

Note also that there are a lot of cards that care about artifacts coming into play, and that when you grab the servo option that you can potentially put a lot of artifacts into play.

Kaladesh Archetypes

Kaladesh has a number of new mechanics, and most of them are well distributed throughout the colors. There are a lot of artifacts that can be used by any color and all of the colors make and spend energy and drop +1/+1 counters on things and so on and so on. The color identity shines through with how those mechanics are used.

Blue has some low to the ground creatures that make Energy, which will be role players in Blue/Green and Blue/Red decks that have neat things they can do with Energy, and bad filler in Blue/Black and Blue/White decks whose energy sinks are more limited. But Blue also has bounce spells that make Blue/White get all tingly and some prowess and giant snakes to make Blue/Black a thing.

The goal when drafting is to pick powerful cards early, try to figure out what archetypes aren't being taken by the people next to you that your powerful cards can work with, and then take those. Not all archetypes are created equal, but good cards in a poor archetype will often steamroller bad cards in a good archetype. Don't take trash cards you won't play just because you think you're going to be in an archetype that would be barely OK with them as their 23rd or 24th card.

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Colors are basically never completely balanced in draft. However, formats where one color is dramatically overpowered or underpowered compared to the others are rare, and late in the format will be mostly overwhelmed by groupthink. Battle for Zendikar was really a bad time for Green. Green was just much much weaker than the other colors. This eventually sorted itself out by people actively avoiding Green like it was poison - allowing the one Green optimist at the table to pick up bomb rares pick 5. In Eldritch Moon, Black is very slightly underpowered compared to the other colors, which is in turn over corrected by people avoiding good black removal "because it's black" and putting black players in an overly strong position where they can pick up premium removal spells pick 4. The Kaladesh set is too new for draft data to have come back, so we aren't really sure what the best colors are and there isn't enough "common knowledge" going around to get people to adjust draft odds with scarcity. For now, follow your bombs and follow what's open, but if the pick is close I would take Red or Black over White or Green, and White or Green over Blue.

It's also important that the pieces of all the archetypes are in the colors, so you can mix and match a bit. In Eldritch Moon the strongest archetype was Blue/Red Spells. But if Blue or Red wasn't open, you could swap one color or the other for a black package with a bunch of removal spells (Dead Weight also triggers prowess, Murder untaps Thermo Alchemists). So if you wanted, you could make Black/Red Spells or Black/Blue Spells and do pretty OK. So don't think these archetypes are set in stone. You're going to be playing 23 or 24 cards, and some of them won't be on archetype. And that's OK.

Also I don't have good names for most of these. The folks at WotC have made a cycle of 10 gold cards at Uncommon that give you a hint as to what the designers think your archetype should be doing. They aren't all good cards, and the designers have been wrong before about how to play an effective color combination (the Eldritch Moon team apparently thought you were going to play Black/White as a token deck, which was ineffective), but it's a good place to start.

A note on Chase Commons: while every archetype is going to be after different cards because they fit into their game plan, there are also cards that every archetype in that color is going to be after simply because they are good cards. Every Red deck is going to want Welding Sparks because it's 3 for 3 instant speed removal with upside. It doesn't matter if they are doing a Red/Blue combo deck or a White/Red aggro deck, they are going to draft Welding Sparks early rather than late. While archetype role player cards showing up late in the pack is evidence of the archetype being open, chase commons showing up late in the pack are evidence of the entire color being open. If you haven't decided what your second color is by pick four and a Welding Sparks comes to you, you should take it and anticipate getting some tasty Red cards in pack three because obviously Red is pretty open in your seat.
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B/U: Go Big


The Contraband Kingpin gives you life, slows the board down, and durdles like mad with incidental scry effects. Black/Blue ends up doing a lot of that, which means that really what you're looking for is moar durdle, ways to trade off or stall the board, and big fucking creatures.

There's a definite "artifacts matter" subtheme to this archetype. I mean, the whole set has a lot of artifacts matter cards, but it's more pronounced in Black/Blue Go Big. You are probably going to find yourself in Black/Blue because you opened sick rares, because the whole archetype seems weakly supported to me. You are trying to drag things out long enough to cast something that costs 6 or 7 mana and win the game that way, so you're probably going to be running 17 lands.

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B/W: Grindy Value



Your mission as Black/White is to trade your cards at a slightly better than 1 for 1 exchange rate with your opponent until your increased board presence can crush your opponent. You want cards that can trade up and cards that give you something when or after they trade so that you can ratchet up incremental advantage until you win by acclamation.

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B/G: Going Tall



Green Black together have a number of "+1/+1 Counters Matter" abilities, which incentivizes you to go up with your Fabricate rather than out. Green/Black should have the biggest things on the board for most of the game and you're looking to win combat steps and shut the door. A thing to note is that enough of your stuff costs 4 that you're likely to end up being a mid range deck, so plan accordingly.

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B/R: Inevitability



Black and Red together is a lot of destruction, but surprisingly it's not usually that much of a berserk aggro combo. You're looking at putting out damage sources that your opponent can't block. You have lots of sources of weird evasion and creatures that plink away at your opponent without going into combat at all. Pro tip: you can use the guys who do damage for tapping to crew vehicles even if the vehicles aren't attacking this turn. You are pretty heavily dependent on having some artifacts around, and there is a strong possibility that one or more of them should be freight trains.

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U/W: Back For Seconds



When you go into White/Blue, you do so because of the sweet Enter the Battlefield triggers, and you stay for the recursion you get from Blink and Bounce to get those triggers again and again. A Blue/White deck will almost always servo out their fabricates the first time a fabricate creature comes into play - ho ho.

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U/G: Energy Growth



So the plan here is to get a lot of energy fast and then spend it on putting a few creatures out of reach of your opponent's deck to deal with. Your Uncommons give you Energy when your opponent can't block your shit, and you spend Energy to make your creatures bigger and harder to profitably block. Blue Green can take over the game and simply run away with it. It's shit like this is why four out of five of the chase Commons in the set are removal spells.

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U/R: Combo



I honestly don't see this deck even working without pulling some weird uncommons and rares. The signature gold uncommon is a key piece of an infinite combo deck, and you can theoretically pull it off in draft. And if you get a Panharmonicon and some Decoction Modules and actually pull it off in Limited, you are officially my hero. Since that's probably not going to work, what you're going to do instead is have something like an Aethertorch Renegade or Aethersquall Ancient that converts large piles of incidental Energy into you winning the game outright. So really what you're looking for in roleplayer Commons is just to give incidental Energy or keep you alive long enough for you to pull shenanigans.

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G/W: Go Wide?



OK, just to get this out of the way: Green/White gets the worst gold card. I'm not sure it's worth using in a Green/White deck. Yes, you are looking to make and buff a big army and when you have to trade it off for your opponent's board you have a backup plan with big creatures and it would be nice to support both ends of that with a single card. But five mana is a lot for that kind of finisher - I'd really want something that stayed in play and actually gave me board presence at that point in my curve. The designers seem to want you to make a deck around going wide and then having Inspiring Charge and Larger than Life as two win conditions your opponent has to play around. And... honestly those cards aren't very good and Green White actually just sort of ends up being a vanilla stompy deck more often than not. Probably you should just ignore the designer game plan and draft mid range creatures in your colors.

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R/W: Speedway Aggro



Your goal is to go low to the ground and be aggro as fuck.When your opponent stalls the board you either start tapping your creatures to crew trains and cars to go over the top or you blast a way through with Welding Sparks and Privilege Revocation.

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R/G: Suicide Aggro



So... that's kind of a 4/3 Trampler for two fucking mana. It peters out after two attacks unless you keep feeding it, but you weren't expecting it to last long anyway. Red/Green is like the old Atarka Red decks. Like Red/White, you don't really want to spend more than 3 mana on a creature, but your goal here is to put so much pressure on your opponent's life total that they have to trade down with your aggressive creatures and have enough Trample and Burn that you have reach for the last few points of damage if people stop you cold.

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A Note On Creatures

Even a creature light deck like Black/Blue is still going to be running like 10 creatures in a 40 card deck. A creature heavy deck could plausibly have 20 creatures and three spells (which would probably just be removal spells for enemy creatures at that point). Decks don't have a lot of room for durdle and combat tricks, even if that is their primary goal. A deck like Red/White Speedway is looking for some Red and White combat tricks, but it still needs to have a bunch of creatures in it and will take dumb creatures that don't fit its game plan all that well if that's what's there. Yes, you'd like to fill your deck with Gearshift Aces and Speedway Fanatics to pilot powerful freight trains of destruction, but you might end up playing a Wandering Giant because it's Draft and you don't get to choose what gets opened.

Inventions

Some packs have special chase cards in them that aren't in the normal set but are worth a lot of money and can be played in some eternal formats. If you open one of them, you should take it no matter what is in the rest of the pack. You might not be able to effectively use it in whatever deck you end up drafting, but they are individually worth more money than your entry fee into the draft, so just fucking do it.



The Orange Border and funky pi symbol indicate that this card is worth money. The Cloudstone Curio is part of some dumb infinite combos in eternal formats, but normally is not expensive. The Kaladesh Invention version costs sixty dollars.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I got the green gearhulk and Chandra's mom in a neat box package that came with a thropter you can put together.

If I can spend energy to pump a creature can I do it multiple times in one turn?


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That depends on the wording. Thriving Iblex can only be pumped once per turn, while Electrostatic Pummeler as many times as you have the energy to pay.
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I'm enjoying the vehicle cards, they have a nice feeling to them.


Kaladesh is a pretty 'peaceful' plane tho' so you're mostly hijacking race cars and trains to terror attack civilian fair goers and government officials, maybe in Aether Revolt they'll introduce actual war machines, or later sets will have vehicle juggernauts/tanks/fighterplanes/siege engines/mobile suits/etc.
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I'm pretty sure that vehicles will be like double-face cards, where they are primarily used as part of the identity of one plane, but are used very infrequently when they fit another set.
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Vehicles and Clues are the two things I most want to go evergreen. Eldritch Moon basically killed werewolves, so I don't much mind if double faced cards just stop being a thing. The Eldritch Moon werewolves are thematically and game mechanically unrelated to the previous flip wolves, and are basically just tentacle horrors that happen to have the Monstrous ability from Theros. They had an opportunity to make the Werewolf deck playable in Eldritch Moon (by giving werewolves that dug for combo pieces in your deck or graveyard or provided some sort of resiliency to interaction effects). But instead they elected to give werewolves basically nothing. Even the spirit wolf that let you "save your board from Languish" actually dies doing it because it doesn't give itself the toughness boost. Fuck that. The Mirrorwing Dragon might be good enough for the combo deck to go off with, but like Zada it is not a wolf, prompting you to ask whether there is any point in going Wolf tribal at all. It's maddening.

If Energy goes evergreen I absolutely guaranty that within a few sets you'll have a Modern playable and likely Legacy playable energy combo deck. That would be interesting, but I also don't much care one way or the other. Right now there are 25 top shelf Modern decks and I simply don't care if an energy based Thopters deck displaces Living End or Ad Nauseum as one of the pre-eminent combo decks in the metagame.

But Clues and Vehicles are super fun. I would fucking love it if the next block had both. I also really want to see Black and Red investigate mechanics. Because I can imagine them pretty out-there.

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Yeah, Shadows Over Innistrad as a set, apart from the fiction stuff they were elaborating on online, was really cool. Then Eldritch Moon came out and they revealed that the tentacle fuckers from BFZ and OGW that made me hate the Standard environment were on Innistrad too because WotC thinks they're doing cosmic horror instead of cosmic-piss-off-poor-players.

Fuck, I was actually even fine with Nahiri and learning her backstory, I'm just pissed that they went the "Nahiri is a spurned not-quite-lover who wants to unleash the shit that wrecked her world on another" route. But apparently WotC still doesn't know how to write a white antagonist. It shouldn't be that fucking hard. Fucking Hitler fits White's theme of lots of soldiers and order.

Vehicles look cool (haven't gotten to play with them) and Clues were fucking awesome. I doubt they'll go evergreen, they don't feel universal enough, but it would be very cool if they did.
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Eldritch Moon drafting was a great format, and it created a lot of really good archetypes. Things to bitch about include:

  • There weren't enough Madness cards. Over and above the fact that some of the madness cards were awful and not worth playing even in a draft deck, there just weren't enough of them to support a madness deck. Black/Red could still succeed sometimes, but the madness vampires deck often couldn't come together as a coherent theme even with only one player at the table. And the madness costs in blue were so high that the "theme" is in scare quotes and doesn't really exist.

  • Wolf Tribal was essentially unsupported. Green/Red Midrange was playable, and you could win with it, but you were not recognizably a "werewolf deck" or even a "wolves and werewolves" deck. You were a midrange deck trying to curve Insatiable Gorgers into Somberwald Stag. Wolves were an afterthought at best, and the werewolves were not a tribe so much as a late game mana sink. You didn't even want them all that much, since the corrupted wolves were actually more attractive to decks that otherwise didn't have expensive shit to buy like Red/White Aggro.

  • Green/White Humans isn't really a thing because Woodland Patrols suck ass, Primal Druids don't benefit from human synergies but do want to be sacrificed in Blue/Green Emerge, and Backwoods Survivalists are only all-stars if you can reliably hit delirium, which is mostly a Green/Black thing. And I think Green/White Sacrifice was supposed to be a theme but it was not. There were neither enough outlets nor enough payoffs for that to be remotely plausible as a draft archetype. Green/White is a thing that happened to you when you drafted the best card out of the pack and after seeing all 8 packs you happened to have 3 hot White Cards and 3 hot Green Cards. There was no theme there.

  • The payoff cards for self milling were sufficiently weak that you only drafted Blue/Black Zombies if you got a bomb rare for it like Gissa and Geralf.[/url]

    But Blue/White Flyers, Blue/Red Spells, Red/White Aggro, Black/White Control, and Black/Green Delirium were all doing the things they were supposed to be doing. Blue/Red Spells especially is super fun.

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Yeah, drafting EMN was fun. My gripes are mostly thematic and some pettiness. But all the points you raise are very true.
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Now in constructed, Eldritch Moon offered some really cool archetypes.

Black/Green Delirium, Zombies, Red/White Humans, Blue/White Spirits, and Black/White Control were pretty much just draft archetypes jazzed up to sixty cards with some bomb rares thrown in. Temurge was Green/Blue Emerge from EMN draft with a splash for Kozilek's Return. Of the major tournament archetypes, Bant Company, G/W Tokens, and R/G Ramp had no real equivalent in the EMN draft environment, but those were also tournament decks based on older sets.

Now my complaints about the standard environment are quite similar to my complaints about the draft environment. Green/Red did not get the tools it needed to make a Werewolf deck viable. The only way to make a tier 2 Wolf deck was to load up on Silverfur Partisans and Zada and support spells from Zendikar and make dozens of wolf tokens from doubling and redoubling your board. But that deck was super weak to enemy removal because it depended on creature combos with creatures who were all toughness 3 or less. And such a deck doesn't really care that much about Werewolves, since any old Wolf works just as well. You might as well load up on Ember Eye Wolves and shit, because your combo doesn't give a shit about wolves flipping or not. A few of the Vampires are quite good, but the Vampire deck was still tier 2 because it couldn't get repeatable discard outlets that weren't low toughness creatures your opponent could easily remove. That seems to be changing now that Kaladesh has Smuggler's Copters and Key to the City, but within Eldritch Moon the vampires themselves were never a main theme in a tier 1 tournament deck. You had awesome Vampires like Olivia and Drana and Kalitas, and none of them ended up being the leaders of a vampire deck because he support wasn't there. Murderous Compulsion just isn't the removal that an aggressive deck needs.

Eldritch Moon was a chance to give Werewolves and Vampires the things they needed to be contenders. Vampires got some cool toys (Voldaren Pariah, Stromkirk Occultist, Stromkirk Condemned, Furyblade Vampire), but Black/Red aggro didn't come together in the format because there wasn't a good answer in the colors to Collected Company. The Pariah ended up being a finisher in Zombies. Werewolves got a giant goose egg. Literally, they got absolutely nothing. There wasn't a single Werewolf that a Werewolf deck wanted to use.

And really, I just want to bitch about Grim Flayer. That card is the most bullshit Mythic ever. He's a decent 2 drop role player card in a specific deck. In G/B Delirium, he is probably better for that deck than the other 2 cost Green or Black creatures you would consider (notably Sylvan Advocate, Obsessive Skinner, Asylum Visitor, Deathcap Cultivator, Noose Constrictor, Zulaport Cutthroat, Lambholt Pacifist, or Duskwatch Recruiter). Why is that a Mythic? The decks that want it want fucking four copies. It's not an obscure build around, it's a Bear with synergy upside for a common deck type.

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I'm curious, Frank- when you draft EMN, do you draft it alone, or 1 EMN and 2 SOI (which I believe is the standard)?
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Clues+Vehicles

Scooby Doo Mystery Machine needs to go evergreen indeed.

I made a white deck solely because Lunarch Mantle looked cool. Surprisingly +2/+2 for 2 was pretty alright to play too, Ironclad Slayer makes it recoverable or you just want to delirium in an enchantment and creature.



I would've liked to see more iron helmed Lunarch type creatures, it's a nice aesthetic.


On the crew mechanic, I can picture a future variant where you tap creatures based on some factor like power or colored mana cost to turn an enchantment into a creature or sorcery, like Theros gods but an activated effect. Clues being the currency to power investigator and cultist decks would also be thematic fun.


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Prak wrote:
I'm curious, Frank- when you draft EMN, do you draft it alone, or 1 EMN and 2 SOI (which I believe is the standard)?


The standard is 2 EMN, 1 SoI. And it goes EMN, EMN, SoI. The fact that there is only 1 SoI pack and it is opened last means that there aren't enough clue cards to make a Clues deck work. Also there often aren't enough Madness payoff cards to make R/B Vampires work and you won't know until pack 3.

Blue went from the worst color to the strongest. Red/Blue goes from a niche combination of good stuff to a solid archetype that's really powerful and fun to play. Blue/Green Emerge really likes the draft order because you get your Emerge creatures first and then drafting random small and medium creatures from pack 3 is plenty to round out your curve.

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I would've liked to see more iron helmed Lunarch type creatures, it's a nice aesthetic.


The evil Lunarch Council were pretty great White villains. And I agree there just weren't enough of them. And when they went full tentacle horror they became a lot less interesting. In general, the tentacle horrors weren't that different one from another and probably should have been confined to 2 or 3 colors.

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On the crew mechanic, I can picture a future variant where you tap creatures based on some factor like power or colored mana cost to turn an enchantment into a creature or sorcery, like Theros gods but an activated effect.


Well, there was Convoke, where you tapped creatures to reduce casting costs. But yes, having crews that do things other than turn on vehicles but instead shoot lasers or draw cards or something seems pretty reasonable. I'd fucking love a library that was Crew 3: Get a Clue. That could be a win condition for a grindy defensive deck.

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The store I play at does the reverse, 2 SOI and 1 EMN, starting with SOI. It obviously makes a sizable difference.
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FrankTrollman wrote:
In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.

You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
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