Annoying Questions I'd Like Answered...

hyzmarca · Post by **hyzmarca** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:53 pm

Ignoring the Klingon origin theory, what is the stupidest and most obviously wrong of the anti-Stratfordian theories?

Shady314 · Post by **Shady314** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:12 am

Any theory that hinges on someone faking their death. So Marlowe.

Schleiermacher · Post by **Schleiermacher** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:34 am

I'm really curious why you want to know that.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Klingon origin theory?

hyzmarca · Post by **hyzmarca** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:25 pm

Shrapnel wrote:Klingon origin theory?

Shakespere's plays were written by a Klingon, and translated into English.

Chancellor Gorkon wrote:You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.

Schleiermacher · Post by **Schleiermacher** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:27 pm

Star Trek canon is that Shakespeare's plays were written by a Klingon, and Shakespeare either had contact with Klingons and translated them from the Klingon or was secretly a Klingon himself and translated them as a side project. (I don't watch Star Trek so I don't know which. It could also be an option C.) It's basically just minor, occasionally recurring joke of the series, as I understand it.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:32 am

Who holds the property rights for statues commissioned in the mid 1800s? The statue I'm thinking about in particular (Le Génie du Mal) was made for a cathedral, so does the cathedral hold the right to sell reproduction of the statue?

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:13 pm

Copyright lasts lifetime of the creator plus 70 years. Anything made by someone who died 1945 or earlier is now public domain. I very seriously doubt that a sculptor from the mid-1800s lasted until 1945.

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:34 pm

Chamomile wrote:Copyright lasts lifetime of the creator plus 70 years. Anything made by someone who died 1945 or earlier is now public domain.

That only applies to works published after 1978. It's 95 years after publication for stuff predating that (presuming they renewed it). The only true claim to public domain is stuff made before 1923.

Really, it's safer to assume that if it predates Steamboat Willie, it's in public domain. Otherwise, if it's good enough to be worth owning, someone does and will sue your pants off.

Occluded Sun · Post by **Occluded Sun** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:58 pm

And keep in mind that every time "Steamboat Willie" threatens to go out of copyright, the American laws are changed. Presumably not even Disney can manage to get Congress to extend the period indefinitely, but money talks, and they have a lot of it.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:41 am

Now to find someone interested in and able to make a fiberglass replica of the statue.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:13 pm

So, people are carbon based life, right? Would it be possible to somehow compress all the carbon atoms in a person into a diamond, or could that only happen in the realm of a Golden Age Superman comic?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:16 pm

https://www.cremationsolutions.com/crem ... ade-ashes/

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:20 pm

Sorry, shoulda specified that I meant while a person is still whole.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:23 pm

Given that you can do it with parts of people, I would imagine so, it's just a matter of process at that point.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:25 pm

Alright. Follow up question: Is there an amount of pressure that a person can be put under that will cause the carbon atoms in 'em become graphititized?

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:52 pm

No to that. There are too many extra atoms that the carbon is wrapped up in, and they are all bonded in different degrees of stability. I doubt you would get anything other than particularly gruesome ashes.

The solution is to remove all the other atoms... But at that point, you no longer have anything resembling a living being.

Blasted · Post by **Blasted** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:56 pm

With memorial diamonds and any other process to turn organics into carbon; be it graphite, diamond, etc. you first need to extract the carbon. Because the carbon in people is contained in organic compounds including hydrogen and oxygen and other elements, merely compressing someone won't work. It will have other things in it that won't fit into the structure of what you're intending.
So: no. Pressure by itself will not work*
* generally carbon is extracted with a heat process and I could imagine a scenario where you use a pressure process, but you've still got other atoms in there messing your lattice. You need to separate them out.

Eikre · Post by **Eikre** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:02 pm

When you force a phase-state with pressure, you're essentially applying a situation where a denser formation is more stable than otherwise (and generally you'll apply lots of heat so that things move around on the atomic level and actually end up in that position) Thing is, though the tetrahedral formation of carbon may be very dense, humans have about twice as much oxygen in them and nearly three times as much hydrogen. So the question is, is there an hydro- or hydroxo-carbon polymer with a metastable profile and a density sufficiently higher than elemental allotropes?

At a cursory glance, polycarbonyl (carbon monoxide) has a density of 0.059 molecular moles/cm3, as reported by wikipedia. That's a lot less than diamond's 0.29 atomic moles/cm3, but it is higher than even solid oxygen's 0.045. So that means for every oxygen atom you have, you can make a carbon atom vanish and get a substance that is slightly denser than the oxygen atom was alone. So, presumably, if you've got captive oxygen along with the carbon, in the molar preportions of the human body, and you raise that to 5 GPa (that being where diamonds form), you'll likely not get one before a sheet of polycarbonyl, because that's it's wheelhouse, too. Not looking good for the possibility of alchemizing the human directly.

The addition of the hydrogen, though, probably means you get graphite oxide, which is less difficult to make in the first place. So, yes, by virtue of "graphititization" being a less precise goal, you can do that.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:06 pm

Conceivably your pressure process can create heat which can separate out the carbon, right?

hyzmarca · Post by **hyzmarca** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:08 pm

Prak wrote:Conceivably your pressure process can create heat which can separate out the carbon, right?

Your pressure precess is also going to hold things is, by virtue of being pressure.

Eikre · Post by **Eikre** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:58 pm

Your pressure process isn't going to make heat that can do that. An unrelated and preliminary process can make the heat that can do that, which is what you actually do if you are interested in synthesizing diamonds from people.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:47 pm

So cremate then pressurize. Got it. How much pressure is needed?

Eikre · Post by **Eikre** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:30 am

Five gigapascals, which is about fifty thousand atmospheres.

But if you are interested in getting the job done within the lifetime of the human species, then you may want to kick that up a couple magnitudes.

You can make that number a little less difficult if you accept smaller diamond masses, keep the cremation going through the whole process (a couple thousand kelvin, if you please) or kick in a little pre-made diamond grit to seed the crystal structure.

EDIT: Oh, also if you have some metal to use as a solvent. Did you know diamonds dissolve in liquid steel? So if the human you're crushing happened to be a knight in shining armor, you might be in for a spot of luck.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:21 am

I am german. This means english is not my mother tongue . . but i think i have a pretty firm grip on the language.
And then shit like this crops up:
Worcestersauce is pronounced "wooster sauce"
WHY?
How?
Why the fuck?
How would you get to that pronounciation from that spelling?!
Or the other way around?
Is this like . . this stupid shit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti