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Wait... I don't think that is how it works.ubernoob wrote:Juggernaut. Damage is size based. Large(enlarge) -> huge(juggernaut). D10 -> 2d8 -> 3d8. Great bow is d10 base.
I think it just affects your size modifier for special combat maneuvers, not for actual weapons.Juggernaut wrote:You may be considered one size category larger for the purposes of any size dependant roll you make (such as a Bull Rush, Overrun, or Lift action).
Weapon Categories wrote:Weapon Size
Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed.
And it's also clear that a weapon (and thus the damage from that weapon) doesn't automatically change size when you hand it to someone else, because sometimes you can be forced to use the wrong size weapon:Weapon Qualities wrote:Damage
The Damage columns give the damage dealt by the weapon on a successful hit. The column labeled "Dmg (S)" is for Small weapons. The column labeled "Dmg (M)" is for Medium weapons. If two damage ranges are given then the weapon is a double weapon. Use the second damage figure given for the double weapon’s extra attack. Table: Larger and Smaller Weapon Damage gives weapon damage values for weapons of various sizes.
So then Races of War did have Weapon Size rules that changed around a bit the limits on what you can use a weapon or not, but the limit of what size object you can use as a weapon is still not a size dependent roll, so you still can't use Juggernaut to wield a Hill Giant's Greatsword and get bigger manufactured weapon damage. Though, I could see an argument for having Juggernaut increase a character's natural attack damage; then you can just drop Improved Natural Attack out of the feat list without worrying that Monks lose out.Weapon Categories wrote:Inappropriately Sized Weapons
A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all.
FrankTrollman wrote:I think Grek already won the thread and we should pack it in.
Chamomile wrote:Grek is a national treasure.
Wait, does that mean that if Wahid took Juggernaut he could take a Fine-sized sword and deal damage as though it were Large? That's kinda cool, even if there'd probably be some kind of attack penalty.ubernoob wrote:I'm not going to argue wording voodoo. Juggernaut does not let you wield weapons that are physically bigger than you would normally use (because it doesn't do that). It does function call when you roll damage because damage is based on size.
I mean under the normal rules you can't, because normally weapon damage is based on the size of the weapon (or the size of the launcher, for projectile weapons), which is why thrown weapons that have been reduced by Reduce Person and then thrown do their regular damage, since they return to normal size in mid-flight (and the weapon's size is what determines the damage, not the user's size). Meanwhile, melee weapons used by someone under a Reduce Person deal less damage, because the melee weapon is held in hand the whole time so it stays reduced.Avoraciopoctules wrote:Wait, does that mean that if Wahid took Juggernaut he could take a Fine-sized sword and deal damage as though it were Large? That's kinda cool, even if there'd probably be some kind of attack penalty.ubernoob wrote:I'm not going to argue wording voodoo. Juggernaut does not let you wield weapons that are physically bigger than you would normally use (because it doesn't do that). It does function call when you roll damage because damage is based on size.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
FrankTrollman wrote: Halfling women, as I'm sure you are aware, combine all the "fun" parts of pedophilia without any of the disturbing, illegal, or immoral parts.
K wrote:That being said, the usefulness of airships for society is still transporting cargo because it's an option that doesn't require a powerful wizard to show up for work on time instead of blowing the day in his harem of extraplanar sex demons/angels.
Chamomile wrote: See, it's because K's belief in leaving generation of individual monsters to GMs makes him Chaotic, whereas Frank's belief in the easier usability of monsters pre-generated by game designers makes him Lawful, and clearly these philosophies are so irreconcilable as to be best represented as fundamentally opposed metaphysical forces.
Whipstitch wrote:You're on a mad quest, dude. I'd sooner bet on Zeus getting bored and letting Sisyphus put down the fucking rock.
ubernoob, the page you linked refers to natural size increases from hit dice gain, I doubt that applies to weapons. Weapon damage is based on the size of the weapon, not your size as far as I can tell.Juggernaut wrote:You may be considered one size category larger for the purposes of any size dependant roll you make (such as a Bull Rush, Overrun, or Lift action).
Size penalty for inappropriately sized weapons is part of an attack roll, so if you just use a huge blade, you could be considered huge and waive the penalty for that, but keep the attack penalty for being large instead of the one for being huge.srd wrote:Inappropriately Sized Weapons
A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
I'm aiming for slightly below par compared to party average. Dunno why, but I really enjoy losing a character or two early on in campaigns, it makes the stakes feel more serious. But multiple punches a round and decent defenses should keep Wahid from being a genuine liability.radthemad4 wrote:As for optimization levels, pick one you guys find fun. I can always operate at a higher CR, but yeah, you can respec later on if you're fine with your current characters. I'll adjust the CR if things seem to easy or too hard (with more/fewer enemies appearing, I won't adjust their stats midbattle)
FrankTrollman wrote:I think Grek already won the thread and we should pack it in.
Chamomile wrote:Grek is a national treasure.
